Account Wide Writs

Biscuitsn

As someone who does writs on multiple toons daily I’m all for a change. Yes, I know it’s my choice to log into multiple toons to do my writs. Though I only do writs on any particular toon before I begin a session on that toon. We recently got Account Wide Achievements which for my personal play style was a huge win. So I dare to ask would it be possible to make Writs account wide and only doable once per day per account? Could potentially increase rewards and gold to balance out the loss in doing writs on multiple toons. Or even add a writ assistant to the crown store.

MaraxusTheOrc

Actually this sounds like a great idea, except don’t adjust the gold amount. Just make the 5,000 gold a once per account per day thing. We NEED to do something about inflation, and while this will probably bugger some people, that could at least reduce the daily influx of gold into the game. I’m all for increasing the odds of master writs, amount of crafting material rewards, etc.

PeacefulAnarchy

Why only writs and not other daily quests? And what is the writ assistant supposed to be?

TaSheen

Optional please. I have several characters across my accounts who do writs, and I enjoy doing them that way.

bmnoble

No thanks, I am saying this first at the top of my post since people like to read one sentence and quote that instead or reading through your entire post which would have given them their answer to the one thing they found to nit pick about part way through.


Wouldn't that reduce the incentive to buy more character slots, I know people who have even bought second accounts so they can do daily writs on 36 characters, I even gave it a try for awhile but lost interest doing it on two accounts. There is a guy on PC/NA with over 10 accounts, doing writs a few times a week, that guy who lines up all the identical characters all on identical mounts with identical costumes, Goldshenanigans I think hes called.

If everyone doing writs logged in once a day to do them you would lose a big part of the illusion that cities in the game have players in them.

I suggested something similar a long time ago, the ability to do all 18 characters worth of writs or the max number or writs timed by the number of characters the account had, on one character, the flaw that was pointed out of course was motif knowledge, meaning it would have resulted in a higher drop rate of master writs for those who own a lot of motifs while lowering demand for motifs from people trying to collect them on multiple characters, same with purple/gold recipes. That and it would go over the 50 daily quest limit per character.


If it were somehow limited to one character a day, they would have to balance the rewards to compensate for the loss of gold and materials, they would also massively need to increase the crafting cost to go along with that, eg instead of making 3 weapons for one of the equipment skill lines you would now have to make 54 to get the same amount of gold and rewards from the writ boxes on turn in for that one daily writ, you would likely have to make multiple trips to do all 7 crafts.

Again it should be balance around the number of characters you have created not 18 by default so you don't end up screwing over a new player doing their writs for the first time.


That all said if something isn't broke it should be left alone, you don't want to run writs on all your alts don't, you want the rewards then do it.

I reached a point where I have enough gold for the foreseeable future, now I just do writs on my main, when that gold starts to dry up I will start doing writs on all 18 characters again.

kargen27

Nah if people want to play multiple characters who are we to say otherwise. You already get a daily reward for doing nothing more than logging in. No need to increase rewards for something as quick and painless as doing writs. If you want the extra rewards you should have to put in some extra effort.
That and it would throw gaining master writs into turmoil.

EnerG

No thank you, I have 12 alts. All fully invested in crafting, the daily writ gold is negligible to me, but the master writ drops from doing 72 lv 50 writs per day is why I do them. Zos would in no way balance the once daily writ rewards to properly reflect the amount of characters I do have, they would absolutely not give me 12+ writs for one alts daily. And for those that do the full 18? They would be absolutely scammed out of the rewards they would have gotten with an hour extra of work.

Amottica

Biscuitsn wrote: »

So I dare to ask would it be possible to make Writs account wide and only doable once per day per account? Could potentially increase rewards and gold to balance out the loss in doing writs on multiple toons. Or even add a writ assistant to the crown store.

Would it be possible? Of course it is possible. It can be done very easily.

However, it will upset a lot of people who do writs every day. Since doing writs is a major source for gold upgrade materials it will also reduce the number of gold upgrade materials available in the market, driving up prices even further than they are today.

Yes, I know it was suggested Zenimax could increase the rewards to balance this out but realistically speaking they will not give us more rewards for doing less.

phaneub17_ESO

I like knowing how many surveys, master writs, and gold mats I'm getting from each individual character. Having it all consolidated on a single turn in makes me uneasy they're going to stiff me on the extras. When I take my soft breaks from ESO I craft 15 days worth of crafting daily writ items on all 18 characters so I only have to login, pick up the quest, and turn it in; doesn't take more than a couple of minutes per character. I open the bags at the end of each week to help keep down inventory clutter.

MasterSpatula

AWA had really emboldened the people who see don't see their characters as individual characters, hasn't it? We might as well just unlock every single stat and ability on every single character and knock ourselves down to one each at this rate.

SilverBride

No.

Limiting to one character per account each day would ruin me financially. I don't make my money from the measly amount of gold I get for turning writs in. I make my money by selling the gold crafting mats I get from turning writs in.

If I was no longer able to do this on more than one character you better be prepared for the huge price hike in gold crafting mats to make up for the loss of income.

DarcyMardin

No thanks. I do writs on multiple characters, and I value the gold mats and master writs that come my way after spending a long time leveling crafting abilities on all my alts.

Hapexamendios

This is one of the worst suggestions I have seen.

Biscuitsn

I particularly picked out writs as it’s an activity that I engage in on multiple toons daily. The gold is also negligible for me and primarily sell the gold mats. Currently hoarding master writs for Zeal of Zenithar.

One idea for a writ assistant is to allow them to turn in the writ deliverables for you. This would still make the station areas busy, but reduce that tedious 5 or so seconds running to the drop boxes.

I could raise in debate that doing writs on multiple toons on multiple accounts is exploitative in nature. Also at the same feeling it is healthy for the economy supplying gold mats.

The economy would right itself. The argument that the price of gold mats would continue to rise is questionable. Yes, you could easily list a chromium plating for 1 mil, but will there be a demand for it at that price. Or would players revert back to farming their own platings until the prices lowered. There will always be players willing to pay the higher prices to engage in the content they enjoy right away. Would a strictly PvPer want to spend hours farming platinum in hopes of refining chromium grains perhaps not.

Then there will be some that will come to terms with farming the gear in purple and be perfectly content until they have the gold mats to upgrade it. These players may also not realize they’re sitting on top of mountain of gold in their craft bag.

I will not debate that every player has the right to choose to partake in the content they see fit. While another pointed out about the loss of character identity with AWA. I’d argue it has given my characters more of an individual identity. Allowing for certain ones to do activities in way that compliment the unique personalities of the companions.

katanagirl1

There have been a few posts lately with people claiming they have too much gold and either requesting less gold for rewards or a tax.

Some of us aren’t there yet. Don’t take away our ability to earn gold in the game. The gold I earn from 5 toons is my chief source of income now that furnishing plan drops in new zones is negligible and I can’t make gold selling those anymore.

I invested a lot of time and money getting those toons research and motif knowledge and you’d just throw that all away.

Lauranae

If you limit this at one day then no thank you! i enjoy doing those on different characters, for different purpose, and sometimes several times per day depending of my mats and my needs,

And i love to do them when i want, meaning that usually i do those by a lots. I do not like doing 1 writ and move on.

And please i have nothing against you, but this is really tiring to see someone asking for removing part of freedom on a game.

Personally i want to be able to do them anyday when i want and multiple times in the week or the months if needed.

Is there not enough constraint in real life that someone want always dictate what others should do and when ?

Sturmfaenger

No thanks towards combining writs. Logging chars, getting their daily mail of materials, levelling their horses etc thats okay.

But Yes please towards combining their collected survey maps to bigger ones, as in "combine 5 surveys of one location to 1 big one".

Sarannah

Hell no!

Daily crafting writs have a HUGE cost in both material and time to them. Also, each character is an individual character. This is a terrible idea, because where would it stop?... would all dailies become accountwide, would all overland quests become accountwide, can we only run one dungeon per day accountwide, etc.

Currently there seems to be a crusade against the crafting dailies, from players who do not want to spend the time and materials to do them. Stop asking to prevent others from doing content because you do not participate in it. I don't like PvP, but would never ask for it to be removed. I even often give ideas to improve PvP. I do not raid, but would never ask for raids to be removed. Some players can only play one minute per day, lets limit everyone to playing a maximum of one minute per day... seems fair!

If you do not have the time to do something in-game, don't do it. Do not ask for the option to be taken away from other players, as that is selfish!

PS: Crafting dailies are not the cause for gold inflation.

Treeshka

Some stuff should not be changed in any circumstances and daily writs is one of those thing.

redlink1979

No thanks. System is fine as it is.

Brrrofski

MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »

Actually this sounds like a great idea, except don’t adjust the gold amount. Just make the 5,000 gold a once per account per day thing. We NEED to do something about inflation, and while this will probably bugger some people, that could at least reduce the daily influx of gold into the game. I’m all for increasing the odds of master writs, amount of crafting material rewards, etc.

No we don't. PC needs to do something about inflation.

Console has ZERO issue.

Try looking at your add-ons first before changing the game for everyone.

moleculardrugs

bmnoble wrote: »

No thanks, I am saying this first at the top of my post since people like to read one sentence and quote that instead or reading through your entire post which would have given them their answer to the one thing they found to nit pick about part way through.


Wouldn't that reduce the incentive to buy more character slots, I know people who have even bought second accounts so they can do daily writs on 36 characters, I even gave it a try for awhile but lost interest doing it on two accounts. There is a guy on PC/NA with over 10 accounts, doing writs a few times a week, that guy who lines up all the identical characters all on identical mounts with identical costumes, Goldshenanigans I think hes called.

If everyone doing writs logged in once a day to do them you would lose a big part of the illusion that cities in the game have players in them.

I suggested something similar a long time ago, the ability to do all 18 characters worth of writs or the max number or writs timed by the number of characters the account had, on one character, the flaw that was pointed out of course was motif knowledge, meaning it would have resulted in a higher drop rate of master writs for those who own a lot of motifs while lowering demand for motifs from people trying to collect them on multiple characters, same with purple/gold recipes. That and it would go over the 50 daily quest limit per character.


If it were somehow limited to one character a day, they would have to balance the rewards to compensate for the loss of gold and materials, they would also massively need to increase the crafting cost to go along with that, eg instead of making 3 weapons for one of the equipment skill lines you would now have to make 54 to get the same amount of gold and rewards from the writ boxes on turn in for that one daily writ, you would likely have to make multiple trips to do all 7 crafts.

Again it should be balance around the number of characters you have created not 18 by default so you don't end up screwing over a new player doing their writs for the first time.


That all said if something isn't broke it should be left alone, you don't want to run writs on all your alts don't, you want the rewards then do it.

I reached a point where I have enough gold for the foreseeable future, now I just do writs on my main, when that gold starts to dry up I will start doing writs on all 18 characters again.

It would not reduce the incentive because you would need the characters unlocked for the extra writs.

moleculardrugs

redlink1979 wrote: »

No thanks. System is fine as it is.

The system wastes a lot of time because players have to log in and out. They can still buy the character slots but I think mount upgrades and writs should be account-wide

wolfie1.0.

I vote no. First because this is only being applied to crafting writs.

Look we all have our preferred dailies we complete each day. No imagine being restricted to doing one of those per account? Random normals? 1 per account? BG daily? I per account.

Also, please keep in mind that ZOS will likely take any action that they feel they can safely monetize or use as an excuse to cut back. This would be one such action.

Don't like those arguments? How about this one. How much gold are you willing to spend on chromium platings? I don't know about you but daily jewelry crafting writs make up 50 to 60% of the chromium grains I get. You cut back my daily potential income of that by 94% (effectively server wide) and there will be price increases as soon as players see the patch notes. And it won't be just jewelry mats.

wolfie1.0.

moleculardrugs wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

No thanks. System is fine as it is.

The system wastes a lot of time because players have to log in and out. They can still buy the character slots but I think mount upgrades and writs should be account-wide

I stated my opinion above, but dailies are all about player retention. They want you doing these activities on as many characters as possible.

They also want you to bypass the grind via the crown store. Which you can for mount training.

barney2525

I don't even understand the basis for " Could potentially increase rewards and gold to balance out the loss in doing writs on multiple toons ". That's a very nice, generic statement for something that is literally Impossible.

One player has 5 toons. Another has 18. First player crafting levels are all at their base 1. Second player has invested solely into crafting for their Alts, so many are maxed.

Explain how One standard reward for only allowing 1 character to do writs each day will Balance the rewards Each currently receives.

Also please explain why you would be Destroying one of the yearly Events that gives special Boxes for each writ completed, for each character, every day.

Amottica

Biscuitsn wrote: »

I could raise in debate that doing writs on multiple toons on multiple accounts is exploitative in nature.

There is absolutely nothing exploitative in any manner with doing writs on multiple characters. Not even remotely close to it since it is clearly part of an intended design.

EF321

And what should I do instead, play the game? Pffft

peacenote

Honestly, the fact that I can do writs on each character sometimes incentivizes me to log in and play multiple toons. It's a fairly quick activity that gives me a nice feeling of satisfaction when I complete it. I would not want this to be changed.

From a practical standpoint, I think folks don't need to worry about this coming to ESO because it's not really a compatible idea with the way crafting is currently implemented in the game. You have to log in for your hirelings, the level of writs you obtain are dependent upon crafting level, and rewards are dependent upon motifs learned. That last piece is literally the one thing I would have liked to see changed in AwA (I'm definitely not learning all motifs on more than on character, I cannot keep up on even my "main") but alas it wasn't meant to be, because it would have impacted Crown Store sales.

Even for all the characters of mine that can do writs, they aren't all max level and I haven't even unlocked all crafts on all of them. It would not make sense to limit the writ quests to one character.

tmbrinks

No. Hard Stop.

I feel like I have to comment after the AwA debacle where ZoS said "everybody wanted it" because we'd just ignore the threads when posted.

I know "slippery-slope" arguments are a logical fallacy.... but this is just continuing down that slope...

deleted221106-002999

No thanks.

The implementation of AwA with the gutting of character specifics was a huge loss for many players.

There is no relationship between AwA and daily writs (or any other daily) and poor attempts to conflate them doesn't change that fact.

It's an incredibly bad and short-sighted idea to remove crafting dailies in the way suggested as it would kill a large part of the game for many players - if you don't want to do them then don't do them.

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