Nightblade need some love !

Fhritz

I'm not saying Nightblades are underpowered, they aren't great nor bad, but a think some of their skill need some rework.

- Consuming Darkness is literally one of the worst ultimate of the game, it's quite hard to use and cost way too much for such a small area / no self synergy / named buff. It NEED better utility.

- Aspect of terror is literally a cheap version of turn evil, I think this skill need to grant malus, doing damage or something else

- Major B/S should be moved on siphoning strike, to allow a rework of drain power, because ATM both morph are meh, and the only thing it's draining is my ressource pool

OBJnoob

I have zero experience with consuming darkness… which is one way of saying “can think of no reason to use it and therefore I agree with you.”

I think aspect of terror is a good skill but, yknow, a minor adjustment might not be out of the question. Soft disagree from me there.

I would love major brutality/sorcery to be on siphoning strikes but then again I play a tanky brawler non invis nightblade. I think people might complain that stealth nb is too powerful giving themselves that buff out of combat? Not that there aren’t potions and gear sets to get around this— but the sacrifice might be a fair one. Oo, oo, here’s a compromise. Put it on swallow soul instead (one of the morphs,) that way you can do it from range but still have to be in combat. At least in my experience magblade doesn’t need healing badly enough to use this skill over a higher damage spammable. This change might make it more viable.

I was involved in a thread recently about this and some people were complaining about cast times on ultimates, travel times on projectiles, clunky ness of lotus fan…

Lotus fan might not be able to be fixed the skill is probably fine and it’s just a little lag that makes it seem weird. I think assassins will should remain very slow moving but perhaps remove the minimum travel time so at least from point blank range it seems instant. And remove cast time from incap but leave it on soul tether. And rework consuming darkness as you said. That’s how I feel anyway.

Necrotech_Master

consuming darkness used to be good when it granted you the bonus mitigation standing on it, and major protection was 30% instead of 10%, that was at least 60% mitigation if you wanted to be a NB tank

i also agree that i dislike the major dmg buff being on a melee aoe skill that requires hitting a target, the only other class that has the major dmg buff on an attack that needs to hit a target is a templar, but jabs is like infinitely better than either morph of the NB skill

ZOS_Hadeostry

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Fhritz

OBJnoob wrote: »

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I think aspect of terror is a good skill but, yknow, a minor adjustment might not be out of the question. Soft disagree from me there.
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It's good, but it's underperforming compared to a guild skill, I think it's a litle shame, and i think it deserve a buff to make it more unique and useful

Iron_Blurr

Night blade is the worst class in the game by far. If I had a class change token I would change my night blade main to another class immediately without any hesitation.

Priyasekarssk

Nightblade always loved by zenimax. Cloak didn’t get streak or shield treatment. Abuse orkansoul ring. On high end nightblades are immortal. Nightblades are the one and only reason for lower PVP population. Nightblades are over abused class making everyone cyrodil and imperial city less fun. Every skill does cc. When frag stun was removed zos came with lame excuse high damage skill should not cc.
If nightblades removed from the game at least there will be 30 percent jump in pvp population. You need at least 5 people to kill a competitive nightblade. Nightblade counters are lame. Escape at will. There are only 2 outcomes when fighting with Nightblades .
1. Nightblades wins.
2. Nightblades escape without any penalty.

There is nothing called nb loses in open world fights

FangOfTheTwoMoons

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblade always loved by zenimax. Cloak didn’t get streak or shield treatment. Abuse orkansoul ring. On high end nightblades are immortal. Nightblades are the one and only reason for lower PVP population. Nightblades are over abused class making everyone cyrodil and imperial city less fun. Every skill does cc. When frag stun was removed zos came with lame excuse high damage skill should not cc.
If nightblades removed from the game at least there will be 30 percent jump in pvp population. You need at least 5 people to kill a competitive nightblade. Nightblade counters are lame. Escape at will. There are only 2 outcomes when fighting with Nightblades .
1. Nightblades wins.
2. Nightblades escape without any penalty.

There is nothing called nb loses in open world fights

It's insane how you can say all that while Magplar and MagDK are existing in their current state.

The "NB is OP" take, is unfortunately a skill issue.

Rohamad_Ali

Nightblade was gutted into a healing class. It's been a battle to get anything less then nerfs as NB last few years.

Foxtrot39

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Nightblade was gutted into a healing class. It's been a battle to get anything less then nerfs as NB last few years.

Pretty sure NB was gutted as a tank/healer because it bring nothing interesting to the group

NB healer only got raw healing wich is useless when most boss revolves around a oneshot if missing a block, people want sustain and HoT/buffs wich the change to refreshing path allowed it to be a more viable healer class

NB tank also bring nothing interesting and its tank ult has been dead in the water since 4 years now with a bootleg version of turn evil as CC

birdik

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblade always loved by zenimax. Cloak didn’t get streak or shield treatment. Abuse orkansoul ring. On high end nightblades are immortal. Nightblades are the one and only reason for lower PVP population. Nightblades are over abused class making everyone cyrodil and imperial city less fun. Every skill does cc. When frag stun was removed zos came with lame excuse high damage skill should not cc.
If nightblades removed from the game at least there will be 30 percent jump in pvp population. You need at least 5 people to kill a competitive nightblade. Nightblade counters are lame. Escape at will. There are only 2 outcomes when fighting with Nightblades .
1. Nightblades wins.
2. Nightblades escape without any penalty.

There is nothing called nb loses in open world fights

Are we playing same game, friend?

Priyasekarssk

Nightblades are immortal. Magedk or mage Templar cannot survive on x vs 1 fights. Nightblade have some god skills which no class have. Perma invisibility. Insane damage. Perma cc. It’s skill issue for Nightblades. Not me.

Ragnaroek93

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblade always loved by zenimax. Cloak didn’t get streak or shield treatment. Abuse orkansoul ring. On high end nightblades are immortal. Nightblades are the one and only reason for lower PVP population. Nightblades are over abused class making everyone cyrodil and imperial city less fun. Every skill does cc. When frag stun was removed zos came with lame excuse high damage skill should not cc.
If nightblades removed from the game at least there will be 30 percent jump in pvp population. You need at least 5 people to kill a competitive nightblade. Nightblade counters are lame. Escape at will. There are only 2 outcomes when fighting with Nightblades .
1. Nightblades wins.
2. Nightblades escape without any penalty.

There is nothing called nb loses in open world fights

They already nerfed Cloak this patch and there are still people like you who want to nerf the class even more. Incap and Relentless are so delayed that you can even break a cc before dodging/blocking it xd

Elendir2am

Magblade isn't only class, who become loser of hybridization. Magsorc is in the same boat and magden is in worse situation. So it is interesting, that there is so much new SOS NB threads now.

ZOS should concentrate on balancing weapons first. It will help to some of classes to catch up with winers of hybridization. Another balancing of classes can come after. Actual necro problem and DK problem from before, originate from superiority of dagers/two handed sword over another weapons.

lPeacekeeperl

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

They already nerfed Cloak this patch and there are still people like you who want to nerf the class even more. Incap and Relentless are so delayed that you can even break a cc before dodging/blocking it xd

And the reason for existance of such opinion is simple - NB forced to "ganking" style gameplay. In pvp, if you know there is NB to become nerwous, or forced to conterbuild against them. So, this "fun" for NB have a huge price in sufferings other players

And being stabbed in a back you feel yourself like Ukraine nowadays

Fhritz

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblades are immortal. Magedk or mage Templar cannot survive on x vs 1 fights. Nightblade have some god skills which no class have. Perma invisibility. Insane damage. Perma cc. It’s skill issue for Nightblades. Not me.

We're clearly not playing the same game dude

FangOfTheTwoMoons

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblades are immortal. Magedk or mage Templar cannot survive on x vs 1 fights. Nightblade have some god skills which no class have. Perma invisibility. Insane damage. Perma cc. It’s skill issue for Nightblades. Not me.

There's so much wrong with this I can't even. It's painfully obvious you do not understand how the game works at all.

blktauna

Perma Innvisbility??? lolol I randomly stand like an idiot in cyrodil right now. Boom random unhide. Such fun. Everything pulls me out of stealth. Cloak gets nerfed every patch and we have nothing else in the class toolbox except skills from stealth with is egregiously unreliablle.

I am serial rooted and jabbed to death by Templars because CC immunity is a lie. DKs are so overpowered in all skills its just ridiculous. I dropped into cyro with my lvl 20 magDK and had no trouble holding my own in battle. That was on unlevelled skills and mismatched armour.

We're clearly not playing the same game dude

Priyasekarssk

It’s skill issue. Not Nightblade balance issue. I have 26-0, 32-0 in bgs. With other I could only dream of such score. Also I feel easy to kill with Nightblades than any other class. In stealing kills, I just spam impale from distance. I am not lying. I am just level 40 Nightblade. No mythic. No set bonus. I have cp though to back up. But some skills not leveled. I feel so confident in my Stam blade than any other class especially pvp . Only rarely I die that too only because of my fault. Nightblade are god tier once fully leveled. I don’t want everyone to become Nightblade and play hide and seek .
I just ask other people to try Nightblade. Level up. Be patient. It very weak at start. Don’t trust anyone who says nb is weak. Once leveled and know how to use skills, you are a god of pvp.

Priyasekarssk

Once I realized how god tier nb is, I am not going to convince that nb is weak. I don’t nb weak in any way in pvp. It’s god tier. Not even s tier.

blktauna

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

It’s skill issue. Not Nightblade balance issue. I have 26-0, 32-0 in bgs. With other I could only dream of such score. Also I feel easy to kill with Nightblades than any other class. In stealing kills, I just spam impale from distance. I am not lying. I am just level 40 Nightblade. No mythic. No set bonus. I have cp though to back up. But some skills not leveled. I feel so confident in my Stam blade than any other class especially pvp . Only rarely I die that too only because of my fault. Nightblade are god tier once fully leveled. I don’t want everyone to become Nightblade and play hide and seek .
I just ask other people to try Nightblade. Level up. Be patient. It very weak at start. Don’t trust anyone who says nb is weak. Once leveled and know how to use skills, you are a god of pvp.

Try some cyrodil instead of BGs. Very different animal. Walk into grey host and wait until the people who are used to NBs find you.

Dracan_Fontom

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

It’s skill issue. Not Nightblade balance issue. I have 26-0, 32-0 in bgs. With other I could only dream of such score. Also I feel easy to kill with Nightblades than any other class. In stealing kills, I just spam impale from distance. I am not lying. I am just level 40 Nightblade. No mythic. No set bonus. I have cp though to back up. But some skills not leveled. I feel so confident in my Stam blade than any other class especially pvp . Only rarely I die that too only because of my fault. Nightblade are god tier once fully leveled. I don’t want everyone to become Nightblade and play hide and seek .
I just ask other people to try Nightblade. Level up. Be patient. It very weak at start. Don’t trust anyone who says nb is weak. Once leveled and know how to use skills, you are a god of pvp.

I feel as though stating the power of a class sub 50 means little for the sake of balance. During this time, every character is boosted into levels which character post 50 do not have. They bear greater stats, damage, survivability than their level 50 counterparts. At least, this was the case when I play consistently two years ago. I assume it hasn't changed much. I recently did bgs on a templar who was only level 20, with no gear sets, and random skills I was trying to level. I did fine all thing considered. Talks of balance should probably only be considered after level 50 when the crutches given to players are taken away slightly.

DigiAngel

FWIW I was in Cryo and 3 Nightblades decimated for more then 20 minutes.

Fhritz

DigiAngel wrote: »

FWIW I was in Cryo and 3 Nightblades decimated for more then 20 minutes.

I don't think this is a NB issue

Priyasekarssk

Night blades are god tier. ZOS and its employees, combat literally workship night blades. With oarkensoul ring , its become broken blades. Its shame to even ask for any buffs for nightblades. Only nerf is needed.

Priyasekarssk

If you ask buff for nightblades , I dont know what to say. Anyway ZOS never ever balance night blades on par with other classes . Especially PVP. If anyone have no skill and look 1vx pro nightblade is the class for you. DK or templars might be nerfed. Nightblades never ever will get a nerf. I request all to make a nightblade broken class. It's so easy to spam kills with this broken class. Please wait for leveling. Once fully leveled, cyprodiil is paradise unless you meet night blades against you.

WreckfulAbandon

Its kinda crazy how much brawlblade is slept on. NB has 2 great class heals that compliment each other and dont require a specific weapon type, plus Vigor of course. Power Extraction is low key OP giving Major Brutality, Sorcery, and Minor Courage for 30 seconds along with the utility of an undodgeable skill that hits decently hard. Plus it debuffs for 10 seconds. The hybrid meta allows you to get the best of both worlds on every class, and really elevates the options for a brawlblade.

MindOfTheSwarm

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Nightblades are immortal. Magedk or mage Templar cannot survive on x vs 1 fights. Nightblade have some god skills which no class have. Perma invisibility. Insane damage. Perma cc. It’s skill issue for Nightblades. Not me.

Sounds to me like you’ve been killed by Caluurion/Ashen Grip ganks. That’s not NB being OP.

NB are broken as a class but not because they are OP, but because many of their class skills are obsolete when compared with better alternatives that exist in weapon and world skills.

2 handed execute and gap closer trumps the class alternatives and Turn Evil is better than NB fear. Plus the Shadow Ult sucks. Veil of Blades is “ok” if you’re a Mag DD for pack clear but then the Destro Ult is ten times better than that due to more damage and a wider area.

Honestly though, NB needs a complete rework from the ground up. Assassination needs to ‘feel’ like assassination and it needs to be better at it than weapon skills. Shadow line needs to feel like you’re actually summoning shadows only Dark Cloak and Summon Shade give this feel.

Siphoning needs to feel like exactly that, siphoning life from enemies to heal yourself and others. Only a few skills give this feel and I would say that Siphoning actually does feel like it has identity, more than the other two.

Assassination is the worst skill line in the game IMO, no matter how much you try to make it work 2 handed is simply better.

spacefracking

Agreed.
The nightblade is the forgotten dumpster behind the permanently closed taco bell of the elder scrolls online, and it makes me very very sad.

Why no love for my slicey boi

Zodiarkslayer

I personally never felt like my MagBlade was either OP or Broken.
Just this patch, I have even felt a significant increase in power, due to good synergy with the Oakensoul Ring.

I always felt like MAINing a MagBlade is the way to go. You are just about there for everything ESO offers. You can PvP as healer or ganker, SOLO dungeons, Heal on Trials or blast through dungeons without engaging any mobs, because: Invisible! And, I found, Questing and Daily Quests are easiest and least time consuming on a Nightblade.

However, if you look at group DPS, Nightblades are certainly behind all other classes.

olsborg

NB need something, just something ... nb burst is the easiest thing in the world to avoid/counter