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Oakensoul Granting Heroism is Not Acceptable
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Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »Anyone arguing this is okay has clearly not fought against an organized group all running it. It is extremely and unacceptably overpowered and the absolutely ridiculous ult uptimes are a major part of that.
This is why gear and bonuses need to be different in PvE and PvP. Give it a month and all PvP will be ult spam.
On the flipside, if everyone is overpowered with this ring, is anyone really overpowered?0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Anyone arguing this is okay has clearly not fought against an organized group all running it. It is extremely and unacceptably overpowered and the absolutely ridiculous ult uptimes are a major part of that.
This is why gear and bonuses need to be different in PvE and PvP. Give it a month and all PvP will be ult spam.
On the flipside, if everyone is overpowered with this ring, is anyone really overpowered?
Well, only if they have High Isle.1 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Holycannoli wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Anyone arguing this is okay has clearly not fought against an organized group all running it. It is extremely and unacceptably overpowered and the absolutely ridiculous ult uptimes are a major part of that.
This is why gear and bonuses need to be different in PvE and PvP. Give it a month and all PvP will be ult spam.
On the flipside, if everyone is overpowered with this ring, is anyone really overpowered?
As to your latter point, this is why I'm less interested in whether perma-Corrosive will be OP and more in whether other "Pressure Ults" will hold up to Burst Ults as well as Corrosive. Spell Wall, probably, for the few specs that will be happy running S&B with Oakensoul, Northern Storm, maybe not with its redundant Major Protection (although I guess at least Frost Impulse's Minor will no longer be redundant), Goliath and Vamp Ult most likely not since they disable Ult Gen.
Perhaps this Oakensoul patch will provide more feedback as to whether Goliath and Vamp Ult should lose their Ult Gen Negation - or gain a Feed function like WW.
Will the Oakensoul patch be the one to give Lacerate some purpose in PvP? Probably not, but it's a nice idea.
Note, PvP includes Battlegrounds, where sustain is more demanding, GCDs more valuable, and barswap more of a burden.
Edited by Urzigurumash on June 10, 2022 8:22PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Anyone arguing this is okay has clearly not fought against an organized group all running it. It is extremely and unacceptably overpowered and the absolutely ridiculous ult uptimes are a major part of that.
This is why gear and bonuses need to be different in PvE and PvP. Give it a month and all PvP will be ult spam.
On the flipside, if everyone is overpowered with this ring, is anyone really overpowered?
As to your latter point, this is why I'm less interested in whether perma-Corrosive will be OP and more in whether other "Pressure Ults" will hold up to Burst Ults as well as Corrosive. Spell Wall, probably, for the few specs that will be happy running S&B with Oakensoul, Northern Storm, maybe not with its redundant Major Protection (although I guess at least Frost Impulse's Minor will no longer be redundant), Goliath and Vamp Ult most likely not since they disable Ult Gen.
Perhaps this Oakensoul patch will provide more feedback as to whether Goliath and Vamp Ult should lose their Ult Gen Negation - or gain a Feed function like WW.
Will the Oakensoul patch be the one to give Lacerate some purpose in PvP? Probably not, but it's a nice idea.
The Ult I am looking most forward to working with with Oakensoul is Meteor.
With the ult return that already exists on Meteor + Major Heroism + Sorc Ult Cost reduction, the meteor spam potential is very enticing.2 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Anyone arguing this is okay has clearly not fought against an organized group all running it. It is extremely and unacceptably overpowered and the absolutely ridiculous ult uptimes are a major part of that.
This is why gear and bonuses need to be different in PvE and PvP. Give it a month and all PvP will be ult spam.
On the flipside, if everyone is overpowered with this ring, is anyone really overpowered?
As to your latter point, this is why I'm less interested in whether perma-Corrosive will be OP and more in whether other "Pressure Ults" will hold up to Burst Ults as well as Corrosive. Spell Wall, probably, for the few specs that will be happy running S&B with Oakensoul, Northern Storm, maybe not with its redundant Major Protection (although I guess at least Frost Impulse's Minor will no longer be redundant), Goliath and Vamp Ult most likely not since they disable Ult Gen.
Perhaps this Oakensoul patch will provide more feedback as to whether Goliath and Vamp Ult should lose their Ult Gen Negation - or gain a Feed function like WW.
Will the Oakensoul patch be the one to give Lacerate some purpose in PvP? Probably not, but it's a nice idea.
The Ult I am looking most forward to working with with Oakensoul is Meteor.
With the ult return that already exists on Meteor + Major Heroism + Sorc Ult Cost reduction, the meteor spam potential is very enticing.
Definitely seems like that will be a strong one. Atro is another Pressure Ult that loses a bit of relative power with its now redundant Major buff, and it also doesn't alleviate the lack of slottable Heals as well as other Pressure Ults, but it still might hold its own. This alleviation of healing is why I was thinking about Lacerate, I heard its clunky hitbox was fixed a while back but I haven't tried it since.
Tree Spam is something I've been eyeing, that will be fun, although I think I'll fit my MagDen to be a 2 bar Healer with Pearls instead, since I expect Healers will become even more desirable in BGs with people dropping Radiating backbars, etc.
Edited by Urzigurumash on June 10, 2022 9:30PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
Pepegrillos✭✭✭✭✭
Excel vs reality.
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@ZOS_Gilliam the synergy of this new mythic and corrosive armor leads to absurd results.Edited by Pepegrillos on June 10, 2022 9:38PM3 -
divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
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Excel vs reality.
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Aren't you sustaining corrosive out of ultigain on kills?0 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's so broken... I had tether up in no time, but then again so did the DK leaping on my head
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Sypherioth✭✭✭Yes keep complaining about an item set cause of just major heroism that makes you either just melee or just ranged or just sword and board. Make you have only 1 ulti to choose from. I don't mind it's getting nerfed. I will just use that nice blue CP star for my ulti gain. And throw back on my stamina skill to get that DK ulti regen going. And I will laugh at you all cause your thinking that its all cause of oakensoul.
But corrosive and blablabla. I barely see that ulti. The thing is that you still need to hit something for it to even be usefull.
Btw most of those same buffs are active when you fighting near other people anyways.
The only real benefit is for bomblade. But they killed loads of *** without it to. Same goes for many groups and set ups. And it can help for solo play. But you only have 1 bar.Edited by Sypherioth on June 11, 2022 1:42AM1 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Major heroism and major berserk both should be gone. The other buffs are enough to offer 1 bar builds the buffs of 2 bars and convenience tradeoff of performance. Let's face it though. Card game was not generating the sales.Edited by TechMaybeHic on June 11, 2022 2:44AM3 -
HonestLoverr✭✭✭Pepegrillos wrote: »
Excel vs reality.
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@ZOS_Gilliam the synergy of this new mythic and corrosive armor leads to absurd results.
Last patch me and my wife put on pariah, bsw, magma, and markyn on our magdk's. Or swamp rider + spriggans + kilt on a bow stamblade. Or warmaiden + mothers sorrow + balorghs on a magplar. Or PB + alessian (yes even with the nerfs) + molag kena on WW's. Always top 2 in kill statistics and winning team. Plus 300 ping because EU to NA. Only playing battlegrounds for a month straight because we got fedup with getting farmed in Cyrodiil. And we felt so utterly broken and OP in BG's regardless what we did. And we are not even that good at PvP.
You can literally make everything work in BG's. Make another video with exact same build when playing Cyrodiil. You will get crushed instantly.
Stop doing witch hunts and calling for nerfs for something you didn't even try out yourself. Only a handful of players got it yet, 5 days in after High Isle release without a meta shift in sight besides bow stamsorc showing up more in all PvP aspects. Hardly any new and actual good builds for High Isle patch published. People are still farming for their mythics or experimenting/theorycrafting.
"OmG MaJoR HeRoIsM, NERF!!!" "OmG sO MaNy BuFfS oN tHiS, NERF!!!". Its laughable guys. Stop speculating and play. Some people in cyrodiil already ditched their oakensoul ring and switched over to serpents coil instead, pretending to pull even bigger numbers while being harder to kill than with oaken.3 -
HonestLoverr✭✭✭And in the meanwhile ballgroups still at it pulling 20+ people into one spot and aoe onshotting everyone left and right while being unkillable WITHOUT oakensoul ring...3
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TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.Edited by TechMaybeHic on June 11, 2022 3:32AM1 -
HonestLoverr✭✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.
The amount of items doesn't matter. There will always be new shiny things to get with updates or expansions that are an upgrade. Just for the sake of it people call for nerfs. In this case people literally made post about it being OP based on pure assumptions and speculation, no proof no nothing. And those that actually tried it already gave their feedback on how this is far from being the case but those same people still show up pretending their speculations to be facts. Its just plain wrong and ridiculous.
This expac is 5 days in, barely anyone got it yet. A handful of people are wearing it. Let alone making a truely viable build. I have only seen Deltia posting 1 bar builds for PvP. Do you have the ring? Did you try his builds? Do you know what happens when you do? You get smacked. Close to no counter if you get pressured besides praying that you can LoS long enough that single heal you got healing you up enough to get back into action. And this won't happen. That's whats up.
Wearing oaken doesn't suddenly make you a god walking amongst men just for wearing it. You are seriously lacking in survivability. Go for it. Try it. Give your feedback based on playing around with it. Assumptions or "fearing" don't help. Facts do.3 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HonestLoverr wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.
The amount of items doesn't matter. There will always be new shiny things to get with updates or expansions that are an upgrade. Just for the sake of it people call for nerfs. In this case people literally made post about it being OP based on pure assumptions and speculation, no proof no nothing. And those that actually tried it already gave their feedback on how this is far from being the case but those same people still show up pretending their speculations to be facts. Its just plain wrong and ridiculous.
This expac is 5 days in, barely anyone got it yet. A handful of people are wearing it. Let alone making a truely viable build. I have only seen Deltia posting 1 bar builds for PvP. Do you have the ring? Did you try his builds? Do you know what happens when you do? You get smacked. Close to no counter if you get pressured besides praying that you can LoS long enough that single heal you got healing you up enough to get back into action. And this won't happen. That's whats up.
Wearing oaken doesn't suddenly make you a god walking amongst men just for wearing it. You are seriously lacking in survivability. Go for it. Try it. Give your feedback based on playing around with it. Assumptions or "fearing" don't help. Facts do.
Lot more than a handful have it. Now; each lead might be crowded and only 12 might have a chance to get the lead; but each spawn since Tuesday it Wednesday; someone's got it. It's already a lot more prevalent than you think.
Caluriion NBs using it only to be stifled by corrosive DKs. Pretty easy to engage spamming a gap closer; and Lord knows it's harder to get out if combat than it us to get into it.
Bottom line is that major heroism and berserk were made to be short uptimes for a reason, then suddenly a 1 piece set introduces 100% uptime. It's clearly out of place no matter how much or well it's utilized.4 -
HonestLoverr✭✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »HonestLoverr wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.
The amount of items doesn't matter. There will always be new shiny things to get with updates or expansions that are an upgrade. Just for the sake of it people call for nerfs. In this case people literally made post about it being OP based on pure assumptions and speculation, no proof no nothing. And those that actually tried it already gave their feedback on how this is far from being the case but those same people still show up pretending their speculations to be facts. Its just plain wrong and ridiculous.
This expac is 5 days in, barely anyone got it yet. A handful of people are wearing it. Let alone making a truely viable build. I have only seen Deltia posting 1 bar builds for PvP. Do you have the ring? Did you try his builds? Do you know what happens when you do? You get smacked. Close to no counter if you get pressured besides praying that you can LoS long enough that single heal you got healing you up enough to get back into action. And this won't happen. That's whats up.
Wearing oaken doesn't suddenly make you a god walking amongst men just for wearing it. You are seriously lacking in survivability. Go for it. Try it. Give your feedback based on playing around with it. Assumptions or "fearing" don't help. Facts do.
Lot more than a handful have it. Now; each lead might be crowded and only 12 might have a chance to get the lead; but each spawn since Tuesday it Wednesday; someone's got it. It's already a lot more prevalent than you think.
Caluriion NBs using it only to be stifled by corrosive DKs. Pretty easy to engage spamming a gap closer; and Lord knows it's harder to get out if combat than it us to get into it.
Bottom line is that major heroism and berserk were made to be short uptimes for a reason, then suddenly a 1 piece set introduces 100% uptime. It's clearly out of place no matter how much or well it's utilized.
Ah, so you want this thing get hit by nerf hammer because you can't get over the fact that it grants 2 major buffs that you find too much. Did you know you have no backbar at all when wearing it? Did you know you have to give up a lot of utility, skills, and set bonuses just to wear it? Do you want this thing to be absolutely useless just because you fear it "could" be OP? Come on man. You can't be serious here.
Not until anyone comes up with a proof, and until it got tested properly in the long run, calling for a nerf can't be taken serious. Personally, I am really struggling finding out a good build with this ring to make up for the survivability loss of having no backbar while still dishing out enough damage to be able to not just pugstomp people. There are close to no builds for it yet on the internet. Most are theorycrafted and those who are around are lacking too much one way or another.
One last time: this thing hasn't been tested enough to justify a nerf this early. And in PvE people already stated it can't outperform 2 bar builds no matter what. PvP is different, I know I know. Still doesn't change the fact everyone straight calling for a nerf without evidence at this early stage of the expac is nothing but pointless, overexagarting and doesn't help anyone.4 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don’t like oakensoul It’s been one of the most controversial mythics and feedback was given but they chose to double down at the expense of the playerbase. Already seeing 1bar corrosive builds and NB builds yes they are out performing.Edited by Durham on June 11, 2022 6:00AMPVP DEADWAIT
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DUTCH_REAPER✭✭✭✭✭
✭All Zos will do is nerf DK now bc it has a unique skill that is affected strongly by the ring. /cry
On a side note have you actually played with the ring and just one bar? I mean a guy running that dk build with that ult…..we’re you slaying players left and right? Bc I know you aren’t leaping for kill shots with it.1 -
Pepegrillos✭✭✭✭✭HonestLoverr wrote: »Pepegrillos wrote: »
Excel vs reality.
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@ZOS_Gilliam the synergy of this new mythic and corrosive armor leads to absurd results.
You can literally make everything work in BG's. Make another video with exact same build when playing Cyrodiil. You will get crushed instantly.
That's the highest MMR BG bracket in EU. Decimus is stomping on good players using three buttons (corrosive, leash, whip). What are you on about?
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Unified_Gaming✭✭✭✭Pepegrillos wrote: »HonestLoverr wrote: »Pepegrillos wrote: »
Excel vs reality.
Video and build by @Decimushttps://youtu.be/jtkoJ4l0BlE
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@ZOS_Gilliam the synergy of this new mythic and corrosive armor leads to absurd results.
You can literally make everything work in BG's. Make another video with exact same build when playing Cyrodiil. You will get crushed instantly.
That's the highest MMR BG bracket in EU. Decimus is stomping on good players using three buttons (corrosive, leash, whip). What are you on about?
I think the ult gen isn't much more than trickery to be honest. Most dks used that beforehand for the ult gen. Ult gen dks have been a thing for years - blood spawn, werewolf hide, minor heorism from sword and shield skill and then set of choice / mythic and 3 piece potentates.
The issue is the power of dk ultimates. The corrosive is basically onslaught and berserking strike in 1 but with 22 seconds buff time. The liklihood is they'll change the strong ultimates like this rather than adjust the ring - 12 seconds on corrosive would be more balanced 😉. Spell wall I'd a good example too - really cheap to become immune to range.
If you took major heroism from the ring then you don't get left with much. When you need to have:
Spamabale, burst skill, execute / dot, damage buff, armour buff, heal over time, burst heal / shield, movement skill like shuffle/race against time - you get 1 flex skill.
Building around the ring means you actually find it hard to get heals or movement buffs on whilst keeping damage.
Take stamden warden:
Deep fissure, dizzying swing, executioner, vigor, race against time - no burst heal.
Take necromancer:
Blast bones, grave yard, aoe/spamable, race against time, intensive mender. No real hot and ghost can heal others not you.
Take stamsorc sorc:
Crystal weapon, execute (executioner or spin to win), spamable (dizzying swing/rapid strike), streak, vigor - no burst heal.
The issue is more class specific with the ring/major herosim.
Dk has good damage and healing skills in one or very high heal I.E. flame lash, shattering rock, coagulating blood.
Templar has the same - sweeps heals, purfying light heals, their beam heals if they wish.
These classes don't have any real punishments for using it as their skills allow the limitations to be bypassed due to multiple effects.
So in short - if the ring lost major heroism there isn't any real benefit to use it beyond bar swap / resource sustain whilst coming with big draw backs as you can't get all the stuff needed for pvp for most encounters.
As for major force - crit chance is very low in pvp unless building for it so you won't get much benefit from it so I don't see this beinh an issue.Unified Gaming - creating a shared and Unified Gaming community.
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TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unified_Gaming wrote: »Pepegrillos wrote: »HonestLoverr wrote: »Pepegrillos wrote: »
Excel vs reality.
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@ZOS_Gilliam the synergy of this new mythic and corrosive armor leads to absurd results.
You can literally make everything work in BG's. Make another video with exact same build when playing Cyrodiil. You will get crushed instantly.
That's the highest MMR BG bracket in EU. Decimus is stomping on good players using three buttons (corrosive, leash, whip). What are you on about?
I think the ult gen isn't much more than trickery to be honest. Most dks used that beforehand for the ult gen. Ult gen dks have been a thing for years - blood spawn, werewolf hide, minor heorism from sword and shield skill and then set of choice / mythic and 3 piece potentates.
The issue is the power of dk ultimates. The corrosive is basically onslaught and berserking strike in 1 but with 22 seconds buff time. The liklihood is they'll change the strong ultimates like this rather than adjust the ring - 12 seconds on corrosive would be more balanced 😉. Spell wall I'd a good example too - really cheap to become immune to range.
If you took major heroism from the ring then you don't get left with much. When you need to have:
Spamabale, burst skill, execute / dot, damage buff, armour buff, heal over time, burst heal / shield, movement skill like shuffle/race against time - you get 1 flex skill.
Building around the ring means you actually find it hard to get heals or movement buffs on whilst keeping damage.
Take stamden warden:
Deep fissure, dizzying swing, executioner, vigor, race against time - no burst heal.
Take necromancer:
Blast bones, grave yard, aoe/spamable, race against time, intensive mender. No real hot and ghost can heal others not you.
Take stamsorc sorc:
Crystal weapon, execute (executioner or spin to win), spamable (dizzying swing/rapid strike), streak, vigor - no burst heal.
The issue is more class specific with the ring/major herosim.
Dk has good damage and healing skills in one or very high heal I.E. flame lash, shattering rock, coagulating blood.
Templar has the same - sweeps heals, purfying light heals, their beam heals if they wish.
These classes don't have any real punishments for using it as their skills allow the limitations to be bypassed due to multiple effects.
So in short - if the ring lost major heroism there isn't any real benefit to use it beyond bar swap / resource sustain whilst coming with big draw backs as you can't get all the stuff needed for pvp for most encounters.
As for major force - crit chance is very low in pvp unless building for it so you won't get much benefit from it so I don't see this beinh an issue.
You took 2 classes that benefit from it and 1 I haven't at least seen with it yet, and then DK; I'm not seeing flame lash. Just chain gap closer so root immunity is not needed, proc whip, profit. They still run vigor and their burst heal.
You also skip NB which major force along with major berserk is absolutely brutal. The guts I know using that have said the only thing stopping them is DK's glowing green because they are then limited to 3% of the DKs health for damage.
Major protection has been nerfed so much but it is an issue as well. Only one class had access to close to the uptime in necro but had to have a corpse cycling to do so. It might be ok considering no minor protection and armor buff due to limited barslots; but the combo of those 2 big offensive buffs and ultimate then this allows you to just stack with a single 5 piece without trading off as much offense or defense. Basically I'm saying that the ring us giving you both a 5 piece defense set AND a 5 piece offense set as compensation for losing a back bar to go along with the necessary buffs it gives you that everyone uses that back bar for2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just wanna say Oakensoul was only allowed to release this way because enough people defended it.
One bar builds are now on par (actually much stronger for most players) than real builds for anything outside of scorepushing. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if this ring was swapped to for trial trash pulls via gear swap addons, since high Ult Gen+free Major Force means more DDs can drop Ults on add pulls while some supports build to 500ult for the bosses.
Anyway..... the embarrassing part of all this is actually that PvPers are purchasing High Isle. The vast majority of you are buying a pure PvE chapter just to farm an OP Mythic item. To rephrase, why would ZOS ever make new PvP content when all of you will give them your money for strictly PvE content?
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Decimus✭✭✭✭✭Since I got mentioned here:
The mythic is absolutely broken and should be tuned down (maybe Minor buffs instead of Major?)... but that said, it doesn't work on everything. Pet sorc for example is still terrible even with the mythic and werewolf merely becomes playable (one could argue werewolf should be this good *without* the mythic).
I've done around a dozen BGs so far on the Corrosive DK and I've been able to not just one shot competent, good players... but also survive an entire enemy team consisting of competent, good players with a combination of line of sighting and relentless spamming of Corrosive.
It's not just the Corrosive DK though, I've seen other people get good results with hybrid sorc, healers, gankers and more.10 -
Unified_Gaming✭✭✭✭Since I got mentioned here:
The mythic is absolutely broken and should be tuned down (maybe Minor buffs instead of Major?)... but that said, it doesn't work on everything. Pet sorc for example is still terrible even with the mythic and werewolf merely becomes playable (one could argue werewolf should be this good *without* the mythic).
I've done around a dozen BGs so far on the Corrosive DK and I've been able to not just one shot competent, good players... but also survive an entire enemy team consisting of competent, good players with a combination of line of sighting and relentless spamming of Corrosive.
It's not just the Corrosive DK though, I've seen other people get good results with hybrid sorc, healers, gankers and more.
I would second that some classes simply can't utilise it well I.e. warden, pet sorc, stamden, etc. That said, there are a few classes that can really benefit from this or playstyles I.e. dk corrosive builds, jabplars, gankers and bombers.
The real challenge is if you nerf it due to those classes who can utilise it well then it becomes even more pointless for those who can't.
Major protection, force and berserk could be minor buffs. The heroism I feel really gives it some extra oomph considering you lose a lot of dps missing dots and things in pve so the extra ult uptime can offset that. Pvp wise though, the ult gen will need looking at as some ultimates are designed to be very strong but high cost I.e. barrier, corrosive, negate and being used frequently can be an issue. Dawnbreaker is an excellent example that it hits hard, has a good dot and is cheap - extra ult gen means more dawnbreakers which I've seen is an issue along with corrosive up time being 70%+
It'll be sad to see another mythic go from being worth the hassle of farming to not worth considering let alone using.
You do give a lot up for the buffs and sadly some classes as with all things can build around that fact very well whilst others can't.Unified Gaming - creating a shared and Unified Gaming community.
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✭I feel like Major Heroism -> Minor Heroism (or plain out remove) is inevitable.
Nerfing DK corrosive isn't a way forward, it's the least used ultimate on DK.4 -
ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭HonestLoverr wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.
The amount of items doesn't matter. There will always be new shiny things to get with updates or expansions that are an upgrade. Just for the sake of it people call for nerfs. In this case people literally made post about it being OP based on pure assumptions and speculation, no proof no nothing. And those that actually tried it already gave their feedback on how this is far from being the case but those same people still show up pretending their speculations to be facts. Its just plain wrong and ridiculous.
This expac is 5 days in, barely anyone got it yet. A handful of people are wearing it. Let alone making a truely viable build. I have only seen Deltia posting 1 bar builds for PvP. Do you have the ring? Did you try his builds? Do you know what happens when you do? You get smacked. Close to no counter if you get pressured besides praying that you can LoS long enough that single heal you got healing you up enough to get back into action. And this won't happen. That's whats up.
Wearing oaken doesn't suddenly make you a god walking amongst men just for wearing it. You are seriously lacking in survivability. Go for it. Try it. Give your feedback based on playing around with it. Assumptions or "fearing" don't help. Facts do.
Take some of your own advice. You haven’t played them all or you would know. This is broken foe some builds. I won’t spread the cancer but I am absolutely stomping now.
Now the average and below average players have a chance against these stupid ball groups ruining pvp. I hope every player gets the damn ring and stomps the balls. The major protection alone is amazing. Not having to build around these major buffs and going pure damage is game changing.1 -
HonestLoverr✭✭✭If some classes can utilize this mythic well, while other classes still can't, its not a matter of the mythic in need of a nerf. Its a matter of classes in need of a buff to be brought up on par with the rest.
If they are going to really nerf this thing regardless, then it has been the last time I bought a DLC. Some people buy DLC's for their stories, some for their raids, or dungeons, and some buy them for new sets. For literal character upgrades. New sets SHOULD be upgrades. If they wouldn't be, it would be a true fail. And they should stay like that until new DLC's or updates arrive. Because progression. I wanna feel stronger with the stuff. Not somewhat strong on certain classes and somewhat weaker on others.
And most importantly, I want the stuff I paid extra money for not to be downgraded to the point they end up being even weaker than some base game sets.3 -
HonestLoverr✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »HonestLoverr wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.
The amount of items doesn't matter. There will always be new shiny things to get with updates or expansions that are an upgrade. Just for the sake of it people call for nerfs. In this case people literally made post about it being OP based on pure assumptions and speculation, no proof no nothing. And those that actually tried it already gave their feedback on how this is far from being the case but those same people still show up pretending their speculations to be facts. Its just plain wrong and ridiculous.
This expac is 5 days in, barely anyone got it yet. A handful of people are wearing it. Let alone making a truely viable build. I have only seen Deltia posting 1 bar builds for PvP. Do you have the ring? Did you try his builds? Do you know what happens when you do? You get smacked. Close to no counter if you get pressured besides praying that you can LoS long enough that single heal you got healing you up enough to get back into action. And this won't happen. That's whats up.
Wearing oaken doesn't suddenly make you a god walking amongst men just for wearing it. You are seriously lacking in survivability. Go for it. Try it. Give your feedback based on playing around with it. Assumptions or "fearing" don't help. Facts do.
Take some of your own advice. You haven’t played them all or you would know. This is broken foe some builds. I won’t spread the cancer but I am absolutely stomping now.
Now the average and below average players have a chance against these stupid ball groups ruining pvp. I hope every player gets the damn ring and stomps the balls. The major protection alone is amazing. Not having to build around these major buffs and going pure damage is game changing.
Lol good joke. How shall I try out builds if people keep them a secret... Well I for my part have more fun on my stamdk with this ring. That is more than enough of what I need out of this game. With my current setup its far from OP. Also no idea why dks would want to have high ult uptime, because building for it will make you lacking damage and even more survivability. 100% pen from corrosive alone won't carry you.
And btw. people keep talking about battlegrounds here. The TTK there is crazy low, 3-4 buttons kill regardless of people wearing this ring or not. At least when it comes to my experience. While the TTK in CP Cyrodiil is way higher. Up to the point you will walk into literally unkillable players.0 -
FangOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »HonestLoverr wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Always have to wonder why would someone defend 1 single item. Not even a 5 piece set. Just. 1. Item.
Don't really have to wonder long. If it didn't stand out; surely it could truly be replaced by one of several others.
The amount of items doesn't matter. There will always be new shiny things to get with updates or expansions that are an upgrade. Just for the sake of it people call for nerfs. In this case people literally made post about it being OP based on pure assumptions and speculation, no proof no nothing. And those that actually tried it already gave their feedback on how this is far from being the case but those same people still show up pretending their speculations to be facts. Its just plain wrong and ridiculous.
This expac is 5 days in, barely anyone got it yet. A handful of people are wearing it. Let alone making a truely viable build. I have only seen Deltia posting 1 bar builds for PvP. Do you have the ring? Did you try his builds? Do you know what happens when you do? You get smacked. Close to no counter if you get pressured besides praying that you can LoS long enough that single heal you got healing you up enough to get back into action. And this won't happen. That's whats up.
Wearing oaken doesn't suddenly make you a god walking amongst men just for wearing it. You are seriously lacking in survivability. Go for it. Try it. Give your feedback based on playing around with it. Assumptions or "fearing" don't help. Facts do.
Take some of your own advice. You haven’t played them all or you would know. This is broken foe some builds. I won’t spread the cancer but I am absolutely stomping now.
Now the average and below average players have a chance against these stupid ball groups ruining pvp. I hope every player gets the damn ring and stomps the balls. The major protection alone is amazing. Not having to build around these major buffs and going pure damage is game changing.
This will do nothing to even the playing field with ball groups. How did you get to that conclusion?
Edited by FangOfTheTwoMoons on June 11, 2022 7:41PM2