Really pissed off at the upcoming DK nerfs

Baconlad

As a pvp main I feel for PvE DKs. But as far as PvP DK, it's ridiculous. In any given BG, 9 times out of te. The only players to achieve over a million damage is the DK. Sometimes nightblades for some reason, not sure. And sometimes sorc.

DK are able to go full balls to the walls damage all the time, sprinkling in a defensive ability. But I've noticed that when fighting any other class, my pressure (magplar) makes them go defensive. They slow down their own pressure on me to heal up, or cast a speed skill and LOS. But DK? They consistently stay offensive, and their offensive rotations that they continuously rotate through without hardly a hiccup is so oppressive that I can't barely run through one rotation of my own before I have to flip back and defend.

And on top of all that, the primary skill that helps me stay offensive is getting nerfed by 33% on my build. Meaning I now don't get to stay offensive for as long as I did.

Ur complaining about a regen nerf, that you have to use a regen food or regen mundus now? Maybe you have to stop being so offensive and heavy attack a bit more? Give me a break.

Magplar is in a great spot, not the best spot they've ever been in but a good spot. There was a time when I could go into a BG or cyrodiil with full light armor and still stomp ass 1vX. But I try bringing my old build from summerset Era into a BG...full glass canon, and not only do I not get the damage I should from it, I get blown up in a second (where's the reward for risk?). But a DK still does more damage than me in that BG by a landslide...in a completely defensive setup. With nothing given to damage sets. AND AFTER ALL THAT... the templar gets the bigger nerf of the two classes?

Been saying it for years...Zeni needs to forget templar exist. Nerf DK regen, and buff the other classes to be on par with where magplar is now (not after living dark nerf).

(My selfish self also wants dark flare nerfs reverted, living dark to be reverted back to the last iteration of total dark, soul assault cost reduced, and javelin range increased. We'll throw the bow builds a bone and revert nerfs to snipe as well...abd wrecking blow damage nerf...and frags cast time buff...)

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JonnytheKing

Sleeping_OwI wrote: »

Surprise! DKs were performing well in pvp recently, so ZOS has decided to hit all DKs with a giant nerf hammer across the board... again... Jeez, when has that ever happened before, only about 20 times or so?

I've always been a main PvE DK for years, I never step foot in pvp unless I need to unlock Caltrops or find skyshards in Cyrodiil. And yet every second patch they butcher my class and nerf it into the ground, why? Because some pvp players make strong builds with DK, so naturally EVERYONE including pvE players should pay for that.

Only for about 6 months DKs were finally in a good spot in pvE with decent damage and sustain, and now we're back to last year and before when DKs had craap sustain, mediocre damage and pathetic self heal.
But the nerfs that have left me in awe the most are Combustion and Burning Embers.

Templars can literally solo everything with jabs (the single most op ability in the game imo that has never gotten a nerf), sorcerers have the strong crit surge, necros have a dedicated strong healer pet, wardens have so much built-in healing, NBs too have a healing spammable or sth like that iirc... the ONLY passive heal that DKs had was Burning Embers which only in this patch was reliable and useful, and they decided to nerf that by a massive 50%... am I crazy for thinking this is unfair and uncalled for? Every other class has a strong self heal except DK, and they decide to hit the little self-heal DK has? I'm just speechless at how stupid this is.

Combuation gives back 500 resources every 0.5 second after the last DK buff... You might think it's a little too good on paper, but believe me, I main a magDK with dual wield, one fire dagger & one poison dagger, one of them with the newly buffed Charged trait, 3 out of 8 of my main abilities are stam, meaning I trigger the Combustion passive all the time, and I STILL have sustain issues half the times and need extra resources from the healer, and remember this is DK in its prime. Now this is before the upcoming nerf, which turns the Combustion cooldown from 0.5 second to 3 seconds... SIX TIMES worse now. Not two times, not three, not four... SIX times worse. I literally won't be able to sustain anymore and believe me I've already hybridized my entire build and I'm using all the stam morphs and skills than I can, and it still won't be enough. What if I want to change to Inferno back bar like the old times? Too bad, I'm all out of magicka after 2 rotations. Instead of being a nice "option", hybridization is now mandatory it seems, but even that won't be enough for DKs.

Do you ever see them nerf the easy-mode OP since launch classes, sorcerer and templar? Or the precious all-around-strong dlc class Necro? No, it's always the poor *** Dragonknight that's consistently being butchered every year, just because it's good in pvp. Yeah we had a good run for about 6 months (compared to the 6+ years of some other classes...) but now fun time is over, the fun police ZOS has caught up to us with their "balance" changes.

I'm just so tired of my class being nerfed into the ground just because some pvp players make strong builds with it... Why can't they do it in a way that doesn't ruin the class for pvE? Why can't they just separate pvp and pve once and for all and end all this endless nerf buff nerf buff cycle? Sure it would take some work at first but it would avoid so much work and balancing trouble down the road. They're always hurting classes and abilities in pvE just because something is too good in pvP and is being abused by some people.

Sorry for the long rant, thanks for reading.

SOOOOOO i have a video coming out soon where i test combustion live to pts and test me its NOOOO where as bad as you think it is, maybe do some testing on the pts befor ranting. Dk is fine in pve

Anomander82

Have to agree with every statement here; my DK has been my main since I started playing and I always wondered why progression was so difficult. Then I found out about easy-mode Sorc & Templar where damage and sustain were simply a matter of picking any skill at random. I cannot for the life of me understand why after years of poor treatment by ZOS the DK finally gets a decent and well-deserved boost only to have the PVP community go up in arms about a few DK builds being OP for that format of the game.

Like the poster I mostly play PVE and the upgrade in the last patch was a welcome relief especially for someone playing playing with poor ping because of my physical distance from the EU server (I live in South Africa) - finally I as able to get a similar level of enjoyment out of the game like the people with easier classes and those with better ping. Now, post nerf we're back to poor sustain and all the other troubles that have plagued the class for years, being the butt-end C or C+ grade of almost every Youtube video until update 33.

ZOS, why take away a most-welcome and most beneficial boost to a class that had been sorely neglected for years, while the Sorcerer and Templar remain consistently overpowered in PVE content. The apparent imbalance leaves me persistently rankled.

Lailaamell

Sleeping_OwI wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

omg stop blaming the nerf on PvP, it's easily as much for PvE.

DK single target damage is decent, but their cleave damage is nuts which is why they underperform on the dummy parse and are stomping everything in actual content.

Sorcs on the other hand excel at single target and have the worst cleave in the game, which is why they dominate the skelly parse meta and are almost unseen on the leader boards.

DPS rankings for vRG HM



DPS rankings for Oaxiltso HM, cleave heavy fight

Ok, DK damage is really high right now, fair enough! Nerf the damage a little! Why do they gotta gut sustain like that? No one finds fun in constant struggle with resources and running out. That was the main point of my post, that no one minds a reasonable damage nerf if it's necessary, but such a heavy sustain nerf is actually disruptive and unfun to many DKs' playstyle.

Be happy they didnt do more. Dks main advantage is its not a difficult class to play or rotate on

iaminc

All I see is “ I can’t 1vX tower farm or run around a rock on my do anymore wah wah wah”

Seriously get a grip , buffs and nerfs happen in ESO every 30 minutes , if you’ve been playing long enough you’d know this , as a night made main in pve and pvp I know this first hand.

Adapt.

ellmarie

I am so with you all. My main is a stam dk and I struggled with her for almost a year, no matter what build I did, I didn't think she was as tough as my templar. But man she was powerful for a time, and I loved it. It was like bing bam boom, dead. Now I'm struggling again. She doesn't seem as tough. I don't have any issues with health, I feel like it just takes longer to kill anything. I'm pve, so dammit if I want to be op, than I should be.