Where is BALANCE ?

Succuby

Ok burning embers were nerfed but - if DKs Emberce are so OP - why NB - have Invis and heal for the near the same amount as not nerfed embers from ranged spammable ability ???

Templars and DK gets nerf - why NB and Sorc are not too op ??? Because administrators play it ? ))

And the necr already have 1 of the best HOTs, why it is OK - whyle DK are not ?

(It is easy to compare on mage guild healing dot by the way both NB and DK heal 2 times more on each teak, now you nerf DK - so NB is not nerfed and heals more - simple logick)

So tank class have less mobility and taniness than NB - damage class with Invis !!!

AuraNebula

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

Succuby

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

J18696

Honestly everything they hit on dk kinda justified personally think the combustion nerf is alittle heavy handed at most

Succuby

And why NB can teleport through walls and keaps - whyle DK even with ultimate can not jump on wall ???

NB with correct use of skills now can Overheal with his spammable skill Embers - 3 times !!!

It is named balance ???

AuraNebula

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

Anyone can use invisibility potions. Being invisible also takes quite a bit of Magicka as you have to keep spamming it because it only lasts two seconds. You're probably upset because you're getting ganked right? Are they nerfing caluurions yet? Because that will fix your problem lol.

MashmalloMan

Seems OP plays DK and hates NB/Sorc for some reason.

I main Sorc, I'd say NB's are usually a non issue. Sorc and NB share a high risk, high reward playstyle. They're elusive and that's how they get their mitigation. They rely on dipping in and out of combat for burst windows instead of sustaining a 1 on 1 fight.

At least as a generality, this paralels how DK/Templar is built.

My biggest problem was always DK, there is no way to beat them in a 1v1, ever. I'm not talking duels, just regular pvp. You needed a team to take them out.

Templar while strong, feels like you can at least predict their burst and they didn't have infinite sustain. They're great for group play because they have great off healing. I think the bubble nerf was probably all they needed to put them in a solid place.

NBs are usually very easy to deal with, they're noob traps. A lot of NBs have 0 game sense and will constantly try to stealth, despite being within range of aoe's. As soon as they can't rely on stealth to escape a failed gank, they're done. Yeah they're good in open world pvp for surprise attacks, but thats the whole point of the class. As soon as you pop a detection skill or pot, they're also done. They have direct counter play. If a NB is using Shade to evade, you can just look at where they place it then hunt them down when they port.

Obviously, if your opinion about NB is based on an open world environment where a NB has the freedom to setup and wait for anyone, everywhere, you're going to have a harder time finding them. Thats more about the environment, than NB themselves. NBs in small scale like BGs are pretty low tier, which is also where in your face brute builds perform the best like DK.

It's much more rare in my experience to fight a NB that knows how to use stealth and shade properly for survival vs a DK or Templar that knows what their doing.

Mag Sorcs are pretty easy to deal with, gap close them, stay on their ass and they'll run out of fume. There are a few high MMR Mag Sorcs that are god tier in BGs, by using Mines and Flappy bird to be a back line damage dealer and off healer, but if they're focused as any good team should, they're usually dead. They just don't have the staying power when you get up in their face.

To kill me as a stam sorc, pin me down. I rely entirely on speed and hots to survive. My sustain is not enough to continuously fight in 1v1, I need to dip out and come back after a few Dark Deals which is very easy to punish if I don't use it during CC immunity. If you snare + immobilize me, you're going to force me to not only lose my momentum, but burn through my resources. Haunting Curse is highly telegraphed, as soon as you see it on you wait a second or 2, proc a heal like vigor or whatever you've got and the burst will most likely be mitigated then I have to reset.

Anyway, thats my opinion and experience on the matter.

MashmalloMan

AuraNebula wrote: »

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

Anyone can use invisibility potions. Being invisible also takes quite a bit of Magicka as you have to keep spamming it because it only lasts two seconds. You're probably upset because you're getting ganked right? Are they nerfing caluurions yet? Because that will fix your problem lol.

Exactly, this carries NB right now, that doesn't mean NB needs to be nerfed.

People will never be happy about any state NB is in, as long as they can get ganked, but guess what, thats pretty much the only thing NB is very good at and it's highly reliant right now on a proc set.

propertyOfUndefined

DKs are so overwhelmingly strong at the moment. Few players seem to disagree with that fact. If you feel other classes have it better post 8.0.3, then you can always switch. In my experience though, "the grass is always greener on the other side", and most players who think a skill like cloak is OP have no experience using it themselves.

Succuby

AuraNebula wrote: »

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

Anyone can use invisibility potions. Being invisible also takes quite a bit of Magicka as you have to keep spamming it because it only lasts two seconds. You're probably upset because you're getting ganked right? Are they nerfing caluurions yet? Because that will fix your problem lol.

Lets all use it through poution than - it is not normal That target BLINKS in fight all the time and jump through textures with shadow jump - whyle the same time other classes can not jump on walls and even pull from that wall NB who jump on it.

It is already cheating and bug abusing in such rebalancing.

Any one can clearly see that Sorc and NB are to OP each time - and always want others be nerfed - make other classes the same skills or remove Unique skills from NB and SORC - remove invis and streak.

Streak is too op invis have to be through potion or have a call down in combat !

AuraNebula

MashmalloMan wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

Anyone can use invisibility potions. Being invisible also takes quite a bit of Magicka as you have to keep spamming it because it only lasts two seconds. You're probably upset because you're getting ganked right? Are they nerfing caluurions yet? Because that will fix your problem lol.

Exactly, this carries NB right now, that doesn't mean NB needs to be nerfed.

People will never be happy about any state NB is in, as long as they can get ganked, but guess what, thats pretty much the only thing NB is very good at and it's highly reliant right now on a proc set.

Honestly without clauurions NBs will fade into oblivion. They already nerfed acuity which basically nailed the coffin shut on NB bombers.

BlissfulDeluge

As a PvEer, my NB is underperforming. I would rather it not get shoved further into the dirt, thanks.

Class change when ZOS.

Dracane

MashmalloMan wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

Anyone can use invisibility potions. Being invisible also takes quite a bit of Magicka as you have to keep spamming it because it only lasts two seconds. You're probably upset because you're getting ganked right? Are they nerfing caluurions yet? Because that will fix your problem lol.

Exactly, this carries NB right now, that doesn't mean NB needs to be nerfed.

People will never be happy about any state NB is in, as long as they can get ganked, but guess what, thats pretty much the only thing NB is very good at and it's highly reliant right now on a proc set.

I've seen a video earlier where a nightblade put on any random sets and always instantly one shotted everyone.
It's not only the sets, it's definitely the class. If Caluurion was gone, they will simply use something else and shave you just the same. Please do not down play how potent Nightblade is when it wants.

AuraNebula

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Succuby wrote: »

AuraNebula wrote: »

Nightblades can be invisible for two seconds. There are multiple skills and detect potions you can use to reveal them.

NB and sorcs have been underperforming for months while DK and templars have been reigning supreme. No class stays at the top for forever.

OK - i do not think that some class have to be Invis in PVP - make it PVE only mod than

And each class can use potions the same than.

Anyone can use invisibility potions. Being invisible also takes quite a bit of Magicka as you have to keep spamming it because it only lasts two seconds. You're probably upset because you're getting ganked right? Are they nerfing caluurions yet? Because that will fix your problem lol.

Lets all use it through poution than - it is not normal That target BLINKS in fight all the time and jump through textures with shadow jump - whyle the same time other classes can not jump on walls and even pull from that wall NB who jump on it.

It is already cheating and bug abusing in such rebalancing.

Any one can clearly see that Sorc and NB are to OP each time - and always want others be nerfed - make other classes the same skills or remove Unique skills from NB and SORC - remove invis and streak.

Streak is too op invis have to be through potion or have a call down in combat !

You do know that you can pull a nightblade out of stealth using your skills too right? All streak does its stun and will also pull NBs out of stealth. Mainly people use it as an escape plan lol.

divnyi

In mages guild tree.

ESO_Nightingale

divnyi wrote: »

In mages guild tree.

beat me to it.

Melzo

Succuby wrote: »

Ok burning embers were nerfed but - if DKs Emberce are so OP - why NB - have Invis and heal for the near the same amount as not nerfed embers from ranged spammable ability ???

Templars and DK gets nerf - why NB and Sorc are not too op ??? Because administrators play it ? ))

And the necr already have 1 of the best HOTs, why it is OK - whyle DK are not ?

(It is easy to compare on mage guild healing dot by the way both NB and DK heal 2 times more on each teak, now you nerf DK - so NB is not nerfed and heals more - simple logick)

So tank class have less mobility and taniness than NB - damage class with Invis !!!

What are you talking about necromancers?? Do you think the necromancer needs to be nerfed??? Of the 6 offensive abilities, 4 are useless. Maybe you don't like blastbone?? or a skull that someone doesn't use?? Maybe a scythe, a magician's skeleton, a siphon in the eyes of an imba?? Just tell me what needs to be nerfed to make this class drop??? I see that every player writes that I was punished by a necromancer, I need to nerf this scum. He has too many abilities, let's leave only blastobones.

WuffyCerulei

Nightblades don’t need nerfing in that sense. Are gankers annoying? Yes. They always have been and always will be. However, there’s multiple ways to counter them. Detection pots, Mage’s Light, Camo Hunter, skills that bring them out of stealth i.e. Haunting Curse, and more. Stealth is a key part of a Nightblade’s identity as well, just as much as nature-based skill are to a Warden or daedric pets and lightning are to a Sorcerer. In the end, countering Nightblades is one of those “get good” scenarios. You have to learn one of the multiple ways to counter, rather than complain about them for the nth time.

Succuby

When DK Wings was nerfed - NB just say - it is too OP - because i need 1 more skill to breake his wings !!!

Invis is even more OP but why no nerf ???

Or all class have to get unique skills or remove all unique skills or we see no balance at all !!!

Mr_Stach

Invisible has a lot of counterplay, is expensive, and only lasts 2.5 seconds.

If they Nerfed Invis anymore, it would just get Deleted out of the game.

PvP_Exploiter

This thread is what happens when you only play one class and only experience the strengths of other classes, not their weaknesses.

Ragnaroek93

I've played Nb, Dk and Templar recently and comparing Nb (or sorc) with Dk and Templar right now is just lol. Nb is free AP for any decent mDk, just block cast when the Nb attacks you and spam your AoE when it disengages. There's nothing the Nb can do.

Only issue with Nb is Caluurion, otherwise it's so easy to shut down their killing potential: Get hit by Relentless or Incap -> heal into block/dodge for 2 seconds and then go on the offensive again. I'm all for nerfing Caluurion and stealth burst but then Nb needs tools to pressure their opponents and some softcounters against block/dodge/healing.

It's quite funny how everybody complains about Cloak while nobody complains about Nbs dmg. I guess that's because they don't even deal half the amount of the dmg from a magdk or templar.

Remathilis

PvP_Exploiter wrote: »

This thread is what happens when you only play one class and only experience the strengths of other classes, not their weaknesses.

Exactly. If ZoS listened to PvP players for balance, they'd have removed dragonknights, sorcerers, templars, nightblades, wardens, necromancers, werewolves and vampires from the game.

And then people can't figure out why we get mini games like diggy-hole and Magicka: the Gathering instead of new skills and classes...

Succuby

All you only cry to make your class overperforming - when NB has the same ability that heals the same as DKs embers and is ranged - it is OK - but DKs ability need nerf - then all the same ability have to be the same nerfed !

And even from normal peoples logick - how is it possible to be invisible and burning and bloding ???

Or stand in fire with no trace - Invis = immortality for this game creators ?

Why no traces in fire that make NB visible ?

How is it possible to make invisible bleading ??? (Own blood drops - some new always invisible blood ?)

NB are so cool that make invisible fire and his blood on the flore ? It is based on some new LOR ?

Jump through textures is the same ? While others can not even jump on that textures with charge skills.

Stop overpower already OP classes !!!

And with ALL this - NB and sorcs skills even IGNORE other classes unique skills - it is clearly enough who is OP.

Chain can not be Avoided as example - it is TEXT OF SKILL ! but NB easely avoid it when do Invis.

This Class Are OP they do not care about other players skills and skill texts.

Even if you become already invisible it have to let you avoid already striked bullet ? It was already sniped in !

Mr_Stach

If you could still lock onto people that were invisible. What would be the point of Invis?

That's the whole point of Invis. It's to avoid death. Sure you can use it to gank, but it's a defensive tool

Vevvev

Remathilis wrote: »

PvP_Exploiter wrote: »

This thread is what happens when you only play one class and only experience the strengths of other classes, not their weaknesses.

Exactly. If ZoS listened to PvP players for balance, they'd have removed dragonknights, sorcerers, templars, nightblades, wardens, necromancers, werewolves and vampires from the game.

And then people can't figure out why we get mini games like diggy-hole and Magicka: the Gathering instead of new skills and classes...

If they listened to the bad PvPers.

We're not all begging for nerfs on things that killed us y'know.

Rhaegar75

the New Balance will be hordes of streaking sorcerers prancing about...can't wait

Mr_Stach

So business as usual. got it

Aoshy

I always played NB, after I changed to DK I saw how powerful DK are. NB is gank, thats it, dont try anything else. There are really different play styles, but DK can do everything.... A DK with a little bit more health will kill any NB easily.

MidniteOwl1913

My poor NB is so underpowered that I only run her as a healer now. I don't know what the OP is going on about. Stealth has very limited use overall and totally is useless in dungeons. Nerfing the class nerfs for *eveything*.

And nobody likes gankers. But that's no reason to nerf the entire class.

Aoshy

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

My poor NB is so underpowered that I only run her as a healer now. I don't know what the OP is going on about. Stealth has very limited use overall and totally is useless in dungeons. Nerfing the class nerfs for *eveything*.

And nobody likes gankers. But that's no reason to nerf the entire class.

I tried every build (pvp) that I could but compared to DK and Templar ( I have only these 3 chars) dont really worth, they do it a lot better. To play effectively with nb in pvp u need to gank and choose ur target carefully. With the DK if there is 1, 2 or 3 ppl (of course not really good players) I just don't care, I can sustain and tank until a kill one...