THIS is the BIGGEST PROBLEM with the EVENT

alberichtano

NettleCarrier wrote: »

GuildedLilly wrote: »

NettleCarrier wrote: »

GuildedLilly wrote: »

...Anything under 100k makes your head hurt?

100k is a lot for a new player or casual, 100k X 7 is completely out of their reach, and saberkeel drops are NOT guaranteed, just intentionally limited by ZOS to a MAX of one drop per day. I've been a millionaire in ESO on console and PC for years, so expensive motifs aren't a problem for me personally, but I know that building gold when you're just starting out or just playing to have fun is a grind, especially if you're not part of a trading guild.

By this reasoning, there are far worse events... look at Ebonsteel pages for example, black drake warpaint, black drake clanwrap armor styles, even last event's second seed styles are all more than Saberkeel today. I'm also going to bring up Undaunted styles, which are 100k or 50 keys (or a small chance from a 1 key box) when they are active, with helms rarely dipping below 1 million gold.

...You didn't think through my reasoning, or yours.

Ebonsteel pages weren't limited to 1 per day, neither were Black Drake, or Second seed. You could farm Ebonsteel in IC if you felt like dealing with the gankers, you could farm Black Drake, you could attempt to farm Second Seed by doing all jesters quests each day, and even creating free alts (ESO base allows 8 characters I think without crown store purchases) to increase your odds. Black Drake Warpaint (Body Markings and Face) combined is 10 tickets, with the outfit pages being farmable--the drop rate sucked for markings, but 10 tickets with the rest of the style being farmable is a whole different level of accessibility.

Saberkeel isn't farmable. You would need 35 tickets, not 10, to get a full set if RNG is being particularly unkind, since page drops aren't guaranteed, and are limited to a MAX of one day.

Undaunted keys can be earned all year through pledges-- 3-6 keys per character, per day, with no artificial 12 max limit. Guilds sell carry runs in vet content, or guildies will often help a guildmate (even carry free) if they ask. Someone who is brand new can spin up a few free alts and get undaunted shoulders just through earning keys. Someone who is casual can ask a guildmate for a carry. You can pay in game gold, but it's not a requirement. You can earn it, your guild can help you, the community can help you, you can swap for it--and your keys are not limited to 12, or to only keys that you earn during the event.

There is NO equivalent event in terms of restrictions, time-gating, and ticket walling to the current event. There never has been. Hopefully, there never will be.

I thought through it plenty, this is my whole economy in the game and I move tens of millions of this stuff yearly. I run an entire guild based off of teaching people how to make money and buy the things that they need. Your method assumes you are 100% Solo Self-Found (a term used in some other games I play and I feel it fits here). There's nothing wrong with that playstyle at all, but it does come at a price - and that's drops like this.

This situation is MUCH easier if you do more of what works best for you and buy the rest. If you have bad luck with Saberkeel drops then you simply farm more dailies to generate more money and then use said money to buy missing pages. There's no requirement that you loot all the pieces yourself. If this style was a motif, each of my characters could have easily afforded to buy the 7 pages at 50k/each just doing their 7 writs each day of the event. Same goes for any event - someone who liked PvP could have farmed a lot more Ebonsteel/Black Drake pages and made money that way too. I didn't farm a single one of my own Seed pages, or any of the PvP ones, I just continued what I like doing and bought them with proceeds from doing what I like doing. This is not much different.

If someone refuses to engage with the trading system in an MMO then that's their loss, and yes this time around they are out of luck I guess. I much prefer it this way because it keeps style page prices healthy.

Healthy? For whom? And according to what standard? It is a completely arbitrary standard. I might thing that the healthy price is below 100 gold. And someone else might think that even the most common of materials should go for a million per stack. Just because it fits you doesn't make it "healthy".

FlopsyPrince

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

NettleCarrier wrote: »

If someone refuses to engage with the trading system in an MMO then that's their loss,

ZOS went out of their way to make this game's trading system buyer-unfriendly and exclusionary. It's great for the Ultra Pro Trader types who enjoy all this junk, not so good for the person who just dabbles now and then. (which is me - I don't sell enough things to even stay a week in a trading guild; even if I was willing to be strong-armed into a guild in order to participate in the first place; and having to search through dozens of traders across piles of loading screens, never knowing if you're finding a reasonable price, if you can even find something, is insane. So yeah - been playing since 2016, and I basically don't bother. I vendor everything that I don't use myself. Which, of course, helps the pro traders, since every valuable item that gets vendored/deconned/destroyed, is one more that's not saturating the market.)

I am in several trading guilds, but not because of sales, but because of my donations. Worth it for me when I do need an outlet.

I completely agree that the trading system is bad. Look at the regular threads on the topic for examples. I am personally convinced that the only ones who like it are those who profit as this poster does. (I may be wrong, but that is what I have seen.)

A trading system in an MMO should enable things, not just create arbitrage opportunities with no in game value beyond that. I am sure some will disagree, but that is my own experience. I have about 2 mil gold on NA and EU on the PS4, but I am slowly rebuilding on the PC and the trading system is once again getting in the way. (Though it did on the PS4, even with my gold.)

I wish ZoS would better balance drop rates on things like these to not have so few motifs and so many spider parts. Perhaps we will see that in the future, but I won't hold my breath or complain much more than this.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

still not enough

RealLoveBVB

I want to build a spider army for cyrodiil. Their poison ability is coming handy too

Sarannah

Would be fun if we, the playerbase, could massmail these spiderparts to ZOS employees.... they would never fill our inventories with such clutter again!

Tra_Lalan

So the two main problems people have with this event:

Saberkeel pages drop rate is to low
Spider parts drop rate is too high.

So you don't like something to drop to often, but you also don't like something to have a rare drop?
I really don't think there is a way to satisfy some of the players.

SammyKhajit

Sarannah wrote: »

Would be fun if we, the playerbase, could massmail these spiderparts to ZOS employees.... they would never fill our inventories with such clutter again!

Maybe mail it to them in paper cut outs of spiders??

In all seriousness, Sammy wishes future events can take more of players’ feedback into account. How long has ESO been running? Since 2014? 2015? It’s hardly a spring chicken in terms of an established MMO so all this is getting quite silly.

Lysette

I guess I will just delete the spider parts when the event is over - I don't like "gifts" which first demand gold or something else from me - that is not a gift, that is bait - not taking the bait though. It is the same with other things coming in parts - I don't like that - any such "gift" or "drop" is a nuisance, just there to trigger collector addition - I don't have it, to me that is just trash to be discarded. If ZOS wants to gift me something, then why not just give it to me genuinely and in one piece - because it is not a gift, it is bait.

Lysette

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

So the two main problems people have with this event:

Saberkeel pages drop rate is to low
Spider parts drop rate is too high.

So you don't like something to drop to often, but you also don't like something to have a rare drop?
I really don't think there is a way to satisfy some of the players.

Well, it would be very easy to do - genuinely gift something in one piece with no strings attached or demands made beforehand, which is not meant to clutter your inventory and has some real use or is at least fun to have and can be used right away.

ectoplasmicninja

I have nearly 100 spider parts and received my last Saberkeel page necessary to complete the set this morning. I got one duplicate that I was able to trade for a page I needed.

I've been doing writs on 10 characters a day (I have 18 but 10 is already almost burnout level for me), and possibly some world boss dailies as well. I've been lucky enough to get my one Saberkeel page per day, sometimes on my first set of writs, sometimes requiring upwards of 80 boxes. This system is absolutely not new player friendly at all. New players don't have 10 or 18 characters certified for writs, or the materials to do them. New players have to spend their probably limited playtime shuffling around between zones hoping for world boss and delve shares and praying they get lucky.

There's an RNG line between "very low drop rate with a maximum of one drop per day" and "50% of your boxes contain this item".

redlink1979

Crismac wrote: »

Lol, I have arachnophobia, and I am totally creeped out by how many spider parts my character is carrying around.

Rex-Umbra

I am deleting so many no idea what to do with them.

Varana

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

So the two main problems people have with this event:

Saberkeel pages drop rate is to low
Spider parts drop rate is too high.

So you don't like something to drop to often, but you also don't like something to have a rare drop?
I really don't think there is a way to satisfy some of the players.

Of course there is.
A higher drop rate (or no frelling time-gating!) on one, and a lower drop rate on the other.
I mean, it's not exactly rocket science.

(And something to do with all the excess spider parts. It would be cool if we could at least run around with an army of spiders but not even that.)

daim

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

We are not getting enough spider part drops.

Actually, I've had quite good luck with those.

Frogmother

Everything goes as planned.

Once the event is over, I will have a huge spiderbot army and be finally able to conquer whole tamriel.

Lixiviant

If I get ANYTHING that is gold, I'm a happy camper. I don't care if it is spider parts or whatnot. Just put them in the Guild Bank.

FlopsyPrince

Making excess spider parts into something like the one-time-use Jester's Festival items would have been a much better approach. At least they would have had some value.

Though even being able to sell them for 0 gold, especially once you have the spider pet, would also have helped make it more bearable. Having to type "DESTROY" each time to eliminate a stack is annoying. (On the PC, I forget how the PS4 worked.)