Any chance we have kids/teen characters in ESO?

Chips_Ahoy

I remember a few years ago someone recommended me a game called TERA, the first thing I saw when I finished the tutorial island and arrived to the city was lots of little girls dressed in lingerie.

disgusting people.

my vote is no.

KaosWarMonk

I'd be in favour of immortal/non-interacting kids running around and playing in settlements.

16BitForestCat

I wouldn't mind kids being added to ESO, but I hope they'd only be placed in locations where players aren't supposed to access, like unreachable balconies or outside walls where you can see but not reach. You'd see and hear the kids playing, but not be able to go over there and be gross at them like a disturbing number of people I've seen in games are prone to do. You'd occasionally have players figuring out how to reach them if there aren't invisible walls in the way, but it'd be fairly uncommon as most won't bother, and reporting disgusting people via the elderscrollsonline.com customer service portal isn't difficult. (Don't bother reporting people in-game; those tend to get ignored. Always use the website portal and respond to all emails you receive to keep the ticket active, even if your reply is just, "Yes, this is a valid report I made and want resolved.")

(I don't dislike kids, but I don't want my own, and I don't go out of my way to interact with them IRL or in the digital world. Still, their omission in ESO is kinda obvious, so I agree it would be more immersive to include them, but certainly not required.)

Monte_Cristo

whitecrow wrote: »

That would be so much creepier!

'Hehehe... can you find me? Come play with us. Come play... forever...'

Wolf_Eye

I don't really care either way, but I lean towards "no thank you" though. I feel like it would just cause unnecessary problems. Besides, we can all just use our imagination and pretend that there's kids out and about playing kickball or whatever. We don't actually need to see them. They just like...hide or something whenever you happen to pass by, lol.

And as someone else previously mentioned, you can have interesting and dramatic storylines without the need of putting a child into the plot. So I'm not sure what the added benefit would be.


I really....dislike how children were in TES 5. It felt like they were stuck in there as an afterthought, and they were all strange little clones of each other. Little variation between them, which made them more creepy than anything to me. I kind of liked the idea of Hearthfire and adopting children and forming a family to continue my dragonborn's legacy, but the lack of depth made me wonder if it wouldn't have been better to just not have them at all in the first place.

Slyclone

No thx. If they do that I leave.

Kwoung

*IF* they added children (they won't), the first time a video got uploaded of someone caught doing something weird(unacceptable) with them, ESO would be banned from numerous countries, many parents would cancel their kids account... and I suspect numerous adults would leave as well. And they would probably be sued in a class action suit. Which is exactly why they didn't add them in the first place, there is literally zero upside for ZOS.

Keep in mind, this is a US based company... which in itself should explain everything.

VaranisArano

Mik195 wrote: »

Weren't those characters from the Blackwood chapter teens? They certainly seemed more like young adults than real adults, even the one that had more experience

Rather than adding actually children to the game (takes long enough for things to load now), I think ZOS should add some sounds of children playing so it sounds like you just can't see them, but they are just around the corner.

Sombren is about 21-22, having been 16 when he was freed from his by Duke Varen's men roughly 6 years before ESO. The twins are about the same age. Just very, very sheltered.

evymyu233

i will be happy to see some cute elf child

amapola76

While I do think it would be somewhat more immersive if there were children in the game, and I tend to agree with those who have noted that other games like WoW have child NPCs without (as far as I have ever heard) any of the more disturbing potential issues that people have cited, I also think it's unlikely that they will be added to the game at this point.

I don't think it's really that big of a deal either way. That being said, I think there are several potential lore-friendly reasons to explain why we don't ever see children, and I wouldn't mind seeing a few more references to that casually thrown into dialogue, lorebooks, etc. They don't have to beat us over the head with it, just the occasional reference.

For example, in my head canon, one of the reasons that a lot of cities (especially cities like Daggerfall) are not particularly full of life is because of the lingering after effects of both war and the Knahaten Flu. Maybe children were particularly susceptible. Maybe a lot of the children recovered, but had something like long COVID, and they are all recuperating on nice little farms in a safe and isolated rural area that we will never see. Or, maybe it's like all the British children who were sent to live on farms during WWII to keep them safe during the Blitz. I think they could come up with a few really interesting stories and passing references to something like that, and it would go a long way to placating both those who find it jarring that there are no children and those who would be annoyed by having to actually interact with children.

Monte_Cristo

amapola76 wrote: »

While I do think it would be somewhat more immersive if there were children in the game, and I tend to agree with those who have noted that other games like WoW have child NPCs without (as far as I have ever heard) any of the more disturbing potential issues that people have cited, I also think it's unlikely that they will be added to the game at this point.

I don't think it's really that big of a deal either way. That being said, I think there are several potential lore-friendly reasons to explain why we don't ever see children, and I wouldn't mind seeing a few more references to that casually thrown into dialogue, lorebooks, etc. They don't have to beat us over the head with it, just the occasional reference.

For example, in my head canon, one of the reasons that a lot of cities (especially cities like Daggerfall) are not particularly full of life is because of the lingering after effects of both war and the Knahaten Flu. Maybe children were particularly susceptible. Maybe a lot of the children recovered, but had something like long COVID, and they are all recuperating on nice little farms in a safe and isolated rural area that we will never see. Or, maybe it's like all the British children who were sent to live on farms during WWII to keep them safe during the Blitz. I think they could come up with a few really interesting stories and passing references to something like that, and it would go a long way to placating both those who find it jarring that there are no children and those who would be annoyed by having to actually interact with children.

I originally assumed that the planemeld had made everyone infertile, hence no one younger than mid teens. Then I found out the planemeld was not that long before the game starts, so that ruined that theory.

wishlist14

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Aren't the hoards of female Bosmer dressed up like Toddlers in Tiaras enough of a red flag that there are creeps that would ruin it in the creepiest way possible, by going /there/ with it?

kamimark wrote: »

You know all those locked rooms and houses in towns? That's where they hide all the children when adventurers come to town.

I agree with this statement. I have read the inappropriate sexually explicit comments on Elden Root zone chat aimed at girl woodelfs ...never at male woodelfs reason being they dont look like young boys. I was so annoyed and angry I decided to leave the area and put those players on ignore. Seriously the comments were pedophelic in nature.

I love eso and prefer to protect this game from possibly becoming a playground for predatory behaviour and i dont care if it's just trolls trolling but i just dont want any of those type of people to have the opportunity to roleplay sexual type abuse on zone chat.

I VOTE NO

Maya_Nur

wishlist14 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Aren't the hoards of female Bosmer dressed up like Toddlers in Tiaras enough of a red flag that there are creeps that would ruin it in the creepiest way possible, by going /there/ with it?

kamimark wrote: »

You know all those locked rooms and houses in towns? That's where they hide all the children when adventurers come to town.

I agree with this statement. I have read the inappropriate sexually explicit comments on Elden Root zone chat aimed at girl woodelfs ...never at male woodelfs reason being they dont look like young boys. I was so annoyed and angry I decided to leave the area and put those players on ignore. Seriously the comments were pedophelic in nature.

I love eso and prefer to protect this game from possibly becoming a playground for predatory behaviour and i dont care if it's just trolls trolling but i just dont want any of those type of people to have the opportunity to roleplay sexual type abuse on zone chat.

I VOTE NO

*сough* I mean ESO is the game where players literally kill thousands of people and even more creatures.

Colecovision

Maya_Nur wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

*IF* they added children (they won't), the first time a video got uploaded of someone caught doing something weird(unacceptable) with them, ESO would be banned from numerous countries, many parents would cancel their kids account... and I suspect numerous adults would leave as well. And they would probably be sued in a class action suit. Which is exactly why they didn't add them in the first place, there is literally zero upside for ZOS.

Keep in mind, this is a US based company... which in itself should explain everything.

I've always thought USA has a freedom of speech or what does that big statue means? Can you please explain me what's going on there?

Freedom of speech means that you can say just about anything and the government can't put you in jail for it. That's the end. All other consequences are still on the table.

For example, if they add kids to the game and people figure out ways to be awful, no one at ZoS will go to jail. People who play the game while their kids are around might need to bail. That's an economic consequence, but not related to the government or civil rights in any way.

ZoS and I guess Microsoft now, controls this space and the space on their live servers. My freedom of speech has nothing to do with that. They can (and have) censored me. My civil rights were in no way violated.

The big statue was a gift from France. We like it a lot but don't hold ourselves accountable for what it says. Check our borders for details. We are not accepting the tired, hungry or poor at this time. If you have skills and money the borders are wide open for you.

TwinLamps

Some npcs already behave like they are 12. Like sharparrow.

Araneae6537

fizl101 wrote: »

My understanding is that it was a deliberate decision due to players being able to do not nice things to them, killing them probably being the least of it

This reeeally doesn’t make sense to me. In reality, obviously, murder is evil regardless of age. In a game, you can only enable certain choices or leave it to the players to RP a hero, anti-hero or villain. If Bethesda or ZOS wanted to make it so you could only kill enemies or enemies and “targets,” I could get that, but instead the Dark Brotherhood is a thing. If you’re going to let a city be littered by NPC corpses, what difference does the implied age, gender or race matter?

Furthermore, if it is decided that young NPCs, attractive NPCs, or whatever category should never be killable, that is totally separate from whether or not they should be in game. ZOS can make any category of NPCs not just unkillable but unable to be the target of attacks.

I think the reason is the additional models and voice acting required for, IMHO, negligible additional benefit. Personally, I was fine with children being in GW2 and Dragon Age but I’m also fine with them not being in ESO. There is a whole lot that could be made more “realistic” but much would be more tedious than fun (like if you had to sleep, etc., etc.) and other things would be a lot of work relative to what little it would add for most players.

(Edited for clarity, hopefully.)

Watchdog

Answer to the OP:

No. Because Rule 34 of the Internet.

Kiyakotari

I made my own "young teen" player character. I used a Bosmer and set them to have physical parameters that were as in line as possible with an adolescent female (hips/waist/shoulders all fairly even in width, as small a bust as I could get, large hands and feet), with the height dialed all the way up. The intention was that they be a young teen Altmer. Then I made an "adult" version of the same character. The faces are adjusted to look very similar to each other. I have them wearing the same hairstyle and hair color, with the same eye colors. The resemblance works really well, in my opinion.

Blinx

Aren't Eslyn and Madearn from The Reach quest Vows and Oaths teens?

I wouldn't mind seeing a mother npc with her infant every now and then, I mean why have cribs in the game at all then?,
and maybe a schoolhouse with little tykes that you can see through the windows but not enter, we already have plenty of buildings we can not enter as it is, or just place them in quests?

I'm all for yes, but with careful planning

kenneth.friisb16_ESO

Galaen_Frost wrote: »

There are a few quests with "children' in the game and they're all hilarious. "Please adventuer, help my child get married." And then it's some 30 year old Bosmer.

I remember one specifically from Alik'r Desert where you are sent out to save someone's son. It then turns out to be a very adult male and not a child as the quest implies.

I am all for children / teen NPC's in the world, just make them non interactable and it should be fine. IT would help on the immersion of the game, as of right now, Tamriel is only populated by adults that claim they have been kids...

Xebov

There are various NPCs in quests that are children. Its implied in the quest dialog and voice. They use regular models (maybe the smallest size).

Personally i dont see any problem with having children/teens as NPC and i honestly dont see a problem with them being killable.

spartaxoxo

kenneth.friisb16_ESO wrote: »

Galaen_Frost wrote: »

There are a few quests with "children' in the game and they're all hilarious. "Please adventuer, help my child get married." And then it's some 30 year old Bosmer.

I remember one specifically from Alik'r Desert where you are sent out to save someone's son. It then turns out to be a very adult male and not a child as the quest implies.

I am all for children / teen NPC's in the world, just make them non interactable and it should be fine. IT would help on the immersion of the game, as of right now, Tamriel is only populated by adults that claim they have been kids...

Agreed. Perhaps you can do a quest for their parents or something as well. Like "please help me do my fetch quest, I can't leave my kid alone" type thing. Or they could maybe stop with the stories more appropriate for kids/teens and just stick to stories where the character is grown. There are definitely quests in this game with 20 somethings behaving like teens.

master_vanargand

It's certainly strange to have no children.

Myrm

Isn't it illegal for video game developers to allow killable children in their games? I am sure it is in many countries.

spartaxoxo

Myrm wrote: »

Isn't it illegal for video game developers to allow killable children in their games? I am sure it is in many countries.

Skyrim itself got around that by just making them unkillable.

Xebov

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Myrm wrote: »

Isn't it illegal for video game developers to allow killable children in their games? I am sure it is in many countries.

Skyrim itself got around that by just making them unkillable.

Iam not sure if they done this because of laws or because of other reasons.

spartaxoxo

Xebov wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Myrm wrote: »

Isn't it illegal for video game developers to allow killable children in their games? I am sure it is in many countries.

Skyrim itself got around that by just making them unkillable.

Iam not sure if they done this because of laws or because of other reasons.

Me either, but either way it gets around it.

Jack-0

FakeFox wrote: »

No! No! Please no! These creatures are annoying enough in real life already, no reason having them around in video games as well.

This!

Coatmagic

Nope.

Don't need to see people peopling...

...cities littered with dead kids is the nicest thing I can imagine that would happen.

Maya_Nur

Coatmagic wrote: »

Nope.

Don't need to see people peopling...

...cities littered with dead kids is the nicest thing I can imagine that would happen.

There are already some unkillable npcs in ESO, so there is no problem with it.