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Overland Content Feedback Thread
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twisttop138✭✭✭✭twisttop138 wrote: »colossalvoids wrote: »
There you go, let us be fair with out quotes. Now, what is your difficulty with my statements?
Doubt there's any difficulty they're having, it's just pointing out a potential confusion and clouded judgement. Look, you're heavily biased against some of the player groups here and it's oozing though the text, if you're not even trying to put yourself in other's shoes your position will likely fall flat for other's who are actively trying to met both ends somewhere on a common ground, work out potential ways for the feature to truly work and not just be another dead on arrival addition.
It looks like you want to make other's experience miserable because your experience was ruined by your standards, it's fine, but you can not expect to not be disagreed with. It's been 315 pages, we already been through "let them suffer" rhetoric a lot.
So, your answer is Yes, they are quoting to bully my post?
It sounds like you are accusing me of deliberately causing people grief by not agreeing with them. I speak MY opinion, if your opinion is different and you do not want to discuss, skip past it. It is an opinion and a suggestion based on my opinion.
"Look, you're heavily biased against some of the player groups here and it's oozing though the text" <--- What does this even mean? I didn't even know there were groups in the fora.
I do not need to wear someone else's shoes. I have my own and they fit me well.
Why do you call my judgement clouded? Is it because you are confused about something I said?
I asked why a level of difficulty is needed in the overland if everyone wants to do quests, resource farming, gathering leads, running across overland without it being difficult. I did not make that up; it is in the threads. This thread.
The comments say that difficult public dungeons and delves are not wanted...because farming is done there and it already takes too long to farm.
The comments say stopping to fight a difficult mob when farming resources or surveys is not wanted because traveling across the map already takes too much time.
The comments say they do not want instances in delves and dungeons because they want to help someone.
The comments say they do not want instances in world bosses and dark anchors because they want to help someone or farm experience with a new character.
These are comments that I read in this thread. My statements are not clouded at all. They are confused as to where the level of difficulty is supposed to be?
Because it's not all about you.
Are you suggesting that my opinions do not matter to the Development team? Is that what you mean when you say it is not all about me?
If not, then . . . my comments are about me. Only me and my perspective because I am not qualified to speak for anyone else. Let us stop focusing on me. Let us talk about the question I posed. Where is the level of difficulty supposed to be?
I'm not suggesting your comments don't matter. I said it's not ALL about you. You have, as has been said to you before, a very biased and close minded view point. As another poster told you, we're past the part of the discussion where either side wants the others to suffer. Be it forced harder overland that has zero choice. That has been suggested many times. Ugh. Or be it this suggestion that people that want harder overland should be stuck in it or have to pay money to change back. That has been said too. You maybe? This is a diverse game with different views but we all play and have opinions. Yours are valid for you but not facts. Your inability to see any view point other then your own, or to read someone's post and twist it makes it very hard for people to take you seriously, along with your attacks on people doing legitimate in game activities like farming resources or grinding public dungeons or delves. I know you won't hear a word I say and will just twist it to fit your narrative, common these days. You don't play this game alone. Your opinions are valid and you should be able to share them but as I said, it's not all about you. Or me.5 -
BasP✭✭✭✭✭I asked why a level of difficulty is needed in the overland if everyone wants to do quests, resource farming, gathering leads, running across overland without it being difficult. I did not make that up; it is in the threads. This thread.
It’s not like everyone asking for harder overland wants the same thing. Others in this thread have asked for separate instances, and some players have said that they want everything to be more difficult all of the time.
Personally, I’d just love the option to make questing significantly harder. Right now everything dies in a few hits and bosses don’t pose any challenge (even with no gear equipped), which makes questing feel unengaging to me. That’s honestly why I’ve left most Chapter main quests unfinished. But, even though I'm mostly looking to increasing the difficulty while questing, I’d probably just keep it turned up most of the time.Let us stop focusing on me. Let us talk about the question I posed. Where is the level of difficulty supposed to be?
As for what the 'right' difficulty should be, that really depends on the player. I’d like an option that makes Overland and quests feel as challenging as soloing a veteran DLC dungeon, for example, but others might prefer something closer to a normal basegame dungeon. That's why I hope ZOS will release something with enough difficulty options so players can choose the challenge level that works for them.5 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let us talk about the question I posed. Where is the level of difficulty supposed to be?
This question demonstrates some confusion about things that I have said in particular. So, let me clarify.
I want difficulty to come in the form of a slider that secretly debuffs the user. This way I don't have to be separated from others to enjoy the difficulty because the change is to me and not the overland itself.
Adding debuffs to the player rather than change the enemies is something that has already been successfully done in other multiplayer games. It means that if a Vet Player and a New player were attacking the same world boss at the exact same time, only the vet player would experience the increased difficulty. I would take more damage from the same attack because I take say 20% more damage from all sources as an example.
Because my damage would also be lower, I also would not be able to bulldoze that newer player because I'd be at a similar level of power as them so we'd be both get a fun, challenging fight. I'd no longer be trivializing the encounter when helping them. Depending on the strength of the debuffs, the brand new player might actually hit it harder than me!
I would use the debuffs when I wanted to play the stories so that I could enjoy the increased immersion of actually questing in an environment where the enemies are threatening. Because that's the goal of all the harder difficulty for me. I want to enjoy immersive storytelling experiences.
But the story is NOT the only sole reason that I go to the overland. I go there as well to farm leads and rare items, to do my crafting surveys, and to do my daily quests.
I don't want grindy, repetitive experiences to also be time consuming and difficult. I already have to kill world bosses dozens of times just to get 1 structure plan from a daily quest. Crafting surveys are already extremely tedious. There are rare items that barely drop in the overland too. I have been trying to get the ayleid furnishing plans to drop for me on and off for years.
Crafting surveys, daily quests, leads, and furnishing plans are chore tasks designed to be repetitive. They are designed that way so players have a reason to be on the maps even when they are not doing the stories. They are tasks that are mostly unrelated to the story of the game. They are designed that way to ensure the world still feels lively and populated when some new character has been made long after the zone was released and most of us have finished the story. In fact, some of the drops are not even activated until weeks after the zone first drops. So, you couldn't finish those early even if you wanted to.
Why would I want chore tasks to be even more time consuming then they're already designed to be? Again, I have farmed for the ayleid plans off and on for years and still don't have them all. It is extremely rare. Why would I want to make something that is already time consuming, frustrating, and tedious even worse?
Not wanting unrelated chore tasks to be even more time consuming does not in anyway undermine my desire to be able to enjoy the stories of this game. Rada al-Saran has nothing to do with crafting surveys. I should be able to enjoy his story and have him actually be a real threat AND finish my survey quickly. Because the two are not related.
BTW for the subset of players who find Rada al-Saran to be a challenging fight? That is already the experience many of them enjoy.
I want to be able to enjoy the story of this game without being worse off doing chores or worse off financially (in-game or apparently real life since some you seem to think I should be charged real money for that experience). You may not find that reasonable. But, that would be your opinion and not mine.Edited by spartaxoxo on September 20, 2025 1:51PM3 -
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✭✭As for what the 'right' difficulty should be, that really depends on the player. I’d like an option that makes Overland and quests feel as challenging as soloing a veteran DLC dungeon, for example, but others might prefer something closer to a normal basegame dungeon. That's why I hope ZOS will release something with enough difficulty options so players can choose the challenge level that works for them.
If they work with a debuff slider to create difficulty modes, it could work that way.
But other than that, I really don't see many options that could work without having to separate the players. I hope they don't take the easy route and just buff enemy health and damage, as that wouldn't accomplish much.
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✭As for what the 'right' difficulty should be, that really depends on the player. I’d like an option that makes Overland and quests feel as challenging as soloing a veteran DLC dungeon, for example, but others might prefer something closer to a normal basegame dungeon. That's why I hope ZOS will release something with enough difficulty options so players can choose the challenge level that works for them.
If they work with a debuff slider to create difficulty modes, it could work that way.
But other than that, I really don't see many options that could work without having to separate the players. I hope they don't take the easy route and just buff enemy health and damage, as that wouldn't accomplish much.
There really are so many other aspects of the game which can be adjusted as part of a difficulty slider, or set of sliders. Things like debuff duration, stealth detection radius, potion efficacy and recharge...anything with a number attached, really. I've posted my own list more than once here. That being said, I would absolutely expect ZOS to start with a simple damage/health option first, and make additions later, probably after a lengthy testing process.1 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭twisttop138 wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »colossalvoids wrote: »
There you go, let us be fair with out quotes. Now, what is your difficulty with my statements?
Doubt there's any difficulty they're having, it's just pointing out a potential confusion and clouded judgement. Look, you're heavily biased against some of the player groups here and it's oozing though the text, if you're not even trying to put yourself in other's shoes your position will likely fall flat for other's who are actively trying to met both ends somewhere on a common ground, work out potential ways for the feature to truly work and not just be another dead on arrival addition.
It looks like you want to make other's experience miserable because your experience was ruined by your standards, it's fine, but you can not expect to not be disagreed with. It's been 315 pages, we already been through "let them suffer" rhetoric a lot.
So, your answer is Yes, they are quoting to bully my post?
It sounds like you are accusing me of deliberately causing people grief by not agreeing with them. I speak MY opinion, if your opinion is different and you do not want to discuss, skip past it. It is an opinion and a suggestion based on my opinion.
"Look, you're heavily biased against some of the player groups here and it's oozing though the text" <--- What does this even mean? I didn't even know there were groups in the fora.
I do not need to wear someone else's shoes. I have my own and they fit me well.
Why do you call my judgement clouded? Is it because you are confused about something I said?
I asked why a level of difficulty is needed in the overland if everyone wants to do quests, resource farming, gathering leads, running across overland without it being difficult. I did not make that up; it is in the threads. This thread.
The comments say that difficult public dungeons and delves are not wanted...because farming is done there and it already takes too long to farm.
The comments say stopping to fight a difficult mob when farming resources or surveys is not wanted because traveling across the map already takes too much time.
The comments say they do not want instances in delves and dungeons because they want to help someone.
The comments say they do not want instances in world bosses and dark anchors because they want to help someone or farm experience with a new character.
These are comments that I read in this thread. My statements are not clouded at all. They are confused as to where the level of difficulty is supposed to be?
Because it's not all about you.
Are you suggesting that my opinions do not matter to the Development team? Is that what you mean when you say it is not all about me?
If not, then . . . my comments are about me. Only me and my perspective because I am not qualified to speak for anyone else. Let us stop focusing on me. Let us talk about the question I posed. Where is the level of difficulty supposed to be?
I'm not suggesting your comments don't matter. I said it's not ALL about you. You have, as has been said to you before, a very biased and close minded view point. As another poster told you, we're past the part of the discussion where either side wants the others to suffer. Be it forced harder overland that has zero choice. That has been suggested many times. Ugh. Or be it this suggestion that people that want harder overland should be stuck in it or have to pay money to change back. That has been said too. You maybe? This is a diverse game with different views but we all play and have opinions. Yours are valid for you but not facts. Your inability to see any view point other then your own, or to read someone's post and twist it makes it very hard for people to take you seriously, along with your attacks on people doing legitimate in game activities like farming resources or grinding public dungeons or delves. I know you won't hear a word I say and will just twist it to fit your narrative, common these days. You don't play this game alone. Your opinions are valid and you should be able to share them but as I said, it's not all about you. Or me.
Your opinion does not matter to me. Your opinions are not facts. This is not all about you. What?
If you don't agree with my take, you can move on without commenting. It is never necessary to attempt to belittle or dismiss a poster.
I do think it odd that my comments are considered 'attacks' by you. Why? I was stated what others have said in this thread. You can, if you had a mind for it, go back through the last few pages of the thread and see where the comments are said by different posters.
It is a fact that some high level players interfere with the progression or enjoyment of other players. It is not an attack it is a legitimate complaint. Legitimate enough that someone suggested that it should not be possible that a low level interfere with a hard-mode fight because they didn't want someone to one-hit their target and steal their kill. It is not an attack when they said it and it is not one when I say it.
After providing examples of what was said in this thread, I asked a question, Where is the difficulty supposed to be? Instead of providing an answer you fly into a rant about how no one agrees with me, no one takes me seriously, I am attacking a group, I am twisting posted words, I am bias and closed minded. Goodness, have you every heard the words: "when all you have are insults, you have no argument?"
My opinion ==> Farming is NOT a legitimate part of the game. Picking up resources as you are playing is.
If farming was a legitimate part of the game then the development team would have a faster respawn rate so everyone can enjoy that part of the game.
If farming is a legitimate part of the game, some of those resources would not be tied to group play or DLC locations.
If farming was a legitimate part of the game, would there not be more storage space provided to put those farmed resources?
It may be part of the way some play the game, but I believe it is not meant to be a feature of the game.1 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭I asked why a level of difficulty is needed in the overland if everyone wants to do quests, resource farming, gathering leads, running across overland without it being difficult. I did not make that up; it is in the threads. This thread.
It’s not like everyone asking for harder overland wants the same thing. Others in this thread have asked for separate instances, and some players have said that they want everything to be more difficult all of the time.
Personally, I’d just love the option to make questing significantly harder. Right now everything dies in a few hits and bosses don’t pose any challenge (even with no gear equipped), which makes questing feel unengaging to me. That’s honestly why I’ve left most Chapter main quests unfinished. But, even though I'm mostly looking to increasing the difficulty while questing, I’d probably just keep it turned up most of the time.Let us stop focusing on me. Let us talk about the question I posed. Where is the level of difficulty supposed to be?
As for what the 'right' difficulty should be, that really depends on the player. I’d like an option that makes Overland and quests feel as challenging as soloing a veteran DLC dungeon, for example, but others might prefer something closer to a normal basegame dungeon. That's why I hope ZOS will release something with enough difficulty options so players can choose the challenge level that works for them.
Nice answer.
Everyone wants what suits their nature. How do you think ZOS should approach the creation of a difficult level of overland. The development cannot please everyone at once.0 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Let us talk about the question I posed. Where is the level of difficulty supposed to be?
This question demonstrates some confusion about things that I have said in particular. So, let me clarify.
I want difficulty to come in the form of a slider that secretly debuffs the user. This way I don't have to be separated from others to enjoy the difficulty because the change is to me and not the overland itself.
Adding debuffs to the player rather than change the enemies is something that has already been successfully done in other multiplayer games. It means that if a Vet Player and a New player were attacking the same world boss at the exact same time, only the vet player would experience the increased difficulty. I would take more damage from the same attack because I take say 20% more damage from all sources as an example.
Because my damage would also be lower, I also would not be able to bulldoze that newer player because I'd be at a similar level of power as them so we'd be both get a fun, challenging fight. I'd no longer be trivializing the encounter when helping them. Depending on the strength of the debuffs, the brand new player might actually hit it harder than me!
I would use the debuffs when I wanted to play the stories so that I could enjoy the increased immersion of actually questing in an environment where the enemies are threatening. Because that's the goal of all the harder difficulty for me. I want to enjoy immersive storytelling experiences.
But the story is NOT the only sole reason that I go to the overland. I go there as well to farm leads and rare items, to do my crafting surveys, and to do my daily quests.
I don't want grindy, repetitive experiences to also be time consuming and difficult. I already have to kill world bosses dozens of times just to get 1 structure plan from a daily quest. Crafting surveys are already extremely tedious. There are rare items that barely drop in the overland too. I have been trying to get the ayleid furnishing plans to drop for me on and off for years.
Crafting surveys, daily quests, leads, and furnishing plans are chore tasks designed to be repetitive. They are designed that way so players have a reason to be on the maps even when they are not doing the stories. They are tasks that are mostly unrelated to the story of the game. They are designed that way to ensure the world still feels lively and populated when some new character has been made long after the zone was released and most of us have finished the story. In fact, some of the drops are not even activated until weeks after the zone first drops. So, you couldn't finish those early even if you wanted to.
Why would I want chore tasks to be even more time consuming then they're already designed to be? Again, I have farmed for the ayleid plans off and on for years and still don't have them all. It is extremely rare. Why would I want to make something that is already time consuming, frustrating, and tedious even worse?
Not wanting unrelated chore tasks to be even more time consuming does not in anyway undermine my desire to be able to enjoy the stories of this game. Rada al-Saran has nothing to do with crafting surveys. I should be able to enjoy his story and have him actually be a real threat AND finish my survey quickly. Because the two are not related.
BTW for the subset of players who find Rada al-Saran to be a challenging fight? That is already the experience many of them enjoy.
I want to be able to enjoy the story of this game without being worse off doing chores or worse off financially (in-game or apparently real life since some you seem to think I should be charged real money for that experience). You may not find that reasonable. But, that would be your opinion and not mine.
Awesome explanation, thank you for responding.
The concept of placing the slider on the character rather than the game sounds like a good plan. I worry about performance when too many things are happening in the background. Having the slider on the character feels like it would impact only the player using the slider and not other players if they change it often. In this scenario, sliding it to low will not change what other people do.
How do you think PvP overland fighting should be handled? Other players will not know where your slider is when you challenge them.0 -
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Semi-artificial scarcity of resources/things in MMOs is the part that drives trade between players.
My opinion ==> Farming is NOT a legitimate part of the game. Picking up resources as you are playing is.
If farming was a legitimate part of the game then the development team would have a faster respawn rate so everyone can enjoy that part of the game.
I do not understand this argument at all. If someone makes a choice not to participate in group content or not buy a DLC (legitimate personal choices, by the way) it does not mean that any part of those are not legitimate activities.If farming is a legitimate part of the game, some of those resources would not be tied to group play or DLC locations.
Insufficient storage has nothing to do with farming being legitimate activity or not. It's made limited so ZOS could sell extras to players for $$$ (craft bag + double space for ESO+).If farming was a legitimate part of the game, would there not be more storage space provided to put those farmed resources?
I have played only 3 MMOs over the last 25 years, so I probably have less experience with them. However, in every single one of them there was stuff that was farmed by players. I think many players would argue that farming IS a part of MMO genre.
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