Reduce cost glyphs + new Ash Cloud

HowellQagan

Can someone please test what happens if you use flat reduce cost glyphs and cast Ash Cloud? Is it basically free? Surely they've thought about that?

Jayne_Doe

Good question! Interested to see someone test this, but I would guess that the reduce cost glyphs proc when a skill is cast, so perhaps the first tick would be free, but from then on they would cost magicka?

oscarovegren

HowellQagan wrote: »

Can someone please test what happens if you use flat reduce cost glyphs and cast Ash Cloud? Is it basically free? Surely they've thought about that?

It´s tested and it works currently on PTS. You can make ash cloud/eruption free. It still procs helping hands which gives you 990 stamina every time you recast the free skill

Fennwitty

oscarovegren wrote: »

HowellQagan wrote: »

Can someone please test what happens if you use flat reduce cost glyphs and cast Ash Cloud? Is it basically free? Surely they've thought about that?

It´s tested and it works currently on PTS. You can make ash cloud/eruption free. It still procs helping hands which gives you 990 stamina every time you recast the free skill

Guess nobody thought about that

HowellQagan

oscarovegren wrote: »

HowellQagan wrote: »

Can someone please test what happens if you use flat reduce cost glyphs and cast Ash Cloud? Is it basically free? Surely they've thought about that?

It´s tested and it works currently on PTS. You can make ash cloud/eruption free. It still procs helping hands which gives you 990 stamina every time you recast the free skill

Oh my god, I'm dying. Thanks for testing @oscarovegren

HowellQagan

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

Good question! Interested to see someone test this, but I would guess that the reduce cost glyphs proc when a skill is cast, so perhaps the first tick would be free, but from then on they would cost magicka?

@Jayne_Doe Nope, toggle skills are also affected by it, you can reduce the cost Blood Frenzy with this by using skill cost reduce glyphs (reduce health, mag, stam cost of skills by 133 with gold cp160 glyph, infused makes it a lot better ofc).

Fennwitty

Can confirm, I put a reduce magicka and a reduce all glyph on 2 jewelry pieces and the skill is free.

YandereGirlfriend

I think that this is neat and definitely not an issue.

HowellQagan

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I think that this is neat and definitely not an issue.

I think so too but somehow I doubt they intended it :'D

Fennwitty

Would go a good way to making MagDK a viable healer!

Beavisaur13

Can anyone test if elfbane, causes this new eruption to keep draining mag, after the 15sec? With the way its worded now, it might be the one thing, that makes me hesitant to run it again.

ExistingRug61

On a side (already existing) point - can you also make NB offering free via infused tri cost reduction glyphs?

YandereGirlfriend

Beavisaur13 wrote: »

Can anyone test if elfbane, causes this new eruption to keep draining mag, after the 15sec? With the way its worded now, it might be the one thing, that makes me hesitant to run it again.

It still has a duration. It's not like a toggle that just runs indefinitely (which is what I expected based upon the patch notes) until you turn it off. My duration was 18 seconds and I would imagine that Elf Bane would extend it to 23.

ajkb78

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

oscarovegren

ajkb78 wrote: »

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

1 infused mag cost reduction is 278 less spell dmg. That isn't a lot of spell dmg. The mag cost reduction helps your sustain since it makes your abilities cheaper also.

Having a free cinder storm to recast which gives a huge hot and snare would make magdks VERY annoying to face

VixxVexx

Just go infused cost reduction bis for magdk. You should have plenty of spell damage.

Has anyone tried charged+heartlands and see how much mag sustain you're getting through combustion?

Nebula_DooM

VixxVexx wrote: »

Just go infused cost reduction bis for magdk. You should have plenty of spell damage.

Has anyone tried charged+heartlands and see how much mag sustain you're getting through combustion?

A lot. Pretty much proccing on cooldown

YandereGirlfriend

oscarovegren wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

1 infused mag cost reduction is 278 less spell dmg. That isn't a lot of spell dmg. The mag cost reduction helps your sustain since it makes your abilities cheaper also.

Having a free cinder storm to recast which gives a huge hot and snare would make magdks VERY annoying to face

Your obsession with dueling is derailing many of these DK threads.

Just ban the skill in your tournament and kindly let the rest of us have nice things.

VarisVaris

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

1 infused mag cost reduction is 278 less spell dmg. That isn't a lot of spell dmg. The mag cost reduction helps your sustain since it makes your abilities cheaper also.

Having a free cinder storm to recast which gives a huge hot and snare would make magdks VERY annoying to face

Your obsession with dueling is derailing many of these DK threads.

Just ban the skill in your tournament and kindly let the rest of us have nice things.

A skill not costing anything when it previously was ~6k mag per cast isn't exactly "a nice thing" sounds more like getting access to a skill without needing the ~600 magregen to sustain it infinitely.

One of those things will happen before the patch goes to the live servers:
Zos reverts the change completely
Zos prevents cost reduction to work on that ability
Zos nerfs it to the ground

Pick your poison.

Firstmep

Fennwitty wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

HowellQagan wrote: »

Can someone please test what happens if you use flat reduce cost glyphs and cast Ash Cloud? Is it basically free? Surely they've thought about that?

It´s tested and it works currently on PTS. You can make ash cloud/eruption free. It still procs helping hands which gives you 990 stamina every time you recast the free skill

Guess nobody thought about that

Just like with mist form.
This was literally my thought as well when I saw the patch notes.

Pterion87

Thats why hate so much PVP. Ruin everything

VarisVaris wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

1 infused mag cost reduction is 278 less spell dmg. That isn't a lot of spell dmg. The mag cost reduction helps your sustain since it makes your abilities cheaper also.

Having a free cinder storm to recast which gives a huge hot and snare would make magdks VERY annoying to face

Your obsession with dueling is derailing many of these DK threads.

Just ban the skill in your tournament and kindly let the rest of us have nice things.

A skill not costing anything when it previously was ~6k mag per cast isn't exactly "a nice thing" sounds more like getting access to a skill without needing the ~600 magregen to sustain it infinitely.

One of those things will happen before the patch goes to the live servers:
Zos reverts the change completely
Zos prevents cost reduction to work on that ability
Zos nerfs it to the ground

Pick your poison.

YandereGirlfriend

VarisVaris wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

1 infused mag cost reduction is 278 less spell dmg. That isn't a lot of spell dmg. The mag cost reduction helps your sustain since it makes your abilities cheaper also.

Having a free cinder storm to recast which gives a huge hot and snare would make magdks VERY annoying to face

Your obsession with dueling is derailing many of these DK threads.

Just ban the skill in your tournament and kindly let the rest of us have nice things.

A skill not costing anything when it previously was ~6k mag per cast isn't exactly "a nice thing" sounds more like getting access to a skill without needing the ~600 magregen to sustain it infinitely.

One of those things will happen before the patch goes to the live servers:
Zos reverts the change completely
Zos prevents cost reduction to work on that ability
Zos nerfs it to the ground

Pick your poison.

None of those things would happen if the tiny, insular dueling clique would stop begging for them to happen.

You guys are literally the only ones trying to stir the pot.

Extinct_Solo_Player

VarisVaris wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

ajkb78 wrote: »

By using those reduce cost glyphs to make it free you're sacrificing a *lot* of spell damage. It might be a neat trick, and maybe unintended, but it doesn't really seem sensible to sacrifice that much damage for one free dot or hot. So who cares?

1 infused mag cost reduction is 278 less spell dmg. That isn't a lot of spell dmg. The mag cost reduction helps your sustain since it makes your abilities cheaper also.

Having a free cinder storm to recast which gives a huge hot and snare would make magdks VERY annoying to face

Your obsession with dueling is derailing many of these DK threads.

Just ban the skill in your tournament and kindly let the rest of us have nice things.

A skill not costing anything when it previously was ~6k mag per cast isn't exactly "a nice thing" sounds more like getting access to a skill without needing the ~600 magregen to sustain it infinitely.

One of those things will happen before the patch goes to the live servers:
Zos reverts the change completely
Zos prevents cost reduction to work on that ability
Zos nerfs it to the ground

Pick your poison.

A skill that's been useless for years and is still lackluster even if it costs nothing lol

Aldoss

I guess I'm still wondering why this skill still costs over 5.5k mag when templars have a skill that operates in a very similar way but has:

- larger radius
- bigger HoT
- cleanses the caster
- provides a synergy that cleanses the ally
- provides a synergy that heals the ally
- lasts longer duration
- costs 1k less mag

The snare is not that valuable. Obviously there's also the damage morph, but again, I just don't think the damage it provides warrants it being one of the most expensive skills in the game.

Red_Feather

I'd make a dragonknight healer if this stayed.

It's crazy to think a dragonknight could even be a great healer, but I think this could do it.

HowellQagan

Red_Feather wrote: »

I'd make a dragonknight healer if this stayed.

It's crazy to think a dragonknight could even be a great healer, but I think this could do it.

Yeah free aoe 2k+/tick heal does sound pretty good lol.

Vevvev

Firstmep wrote: »

Fennwitty wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

HowellQagan wrote: »

Can someone please test what happens if you use flat reduce cost glyphs and cast Ash Cloud? Is it basically free? Surely they've thought about that?

It´s tested and it works currently on PTS. You can make ash cloud/eruption free. It still procs helping hands which gives you 990 stamina every time you recast the free skill

Guess nobody thought about that

Just like with mist form.
This was literally my thought as well when I saw the patch notes.

Either ZOS didn't learn or this is intended.

HowellQagan

I'm starting to think this is intended since it's still not fixed in PTS 7.2.1.

kojou

No serious damage build is going to sacrifice spell damage for cost reduction for this. I certainly am not. I did some tests with my Magicka DK and with no cost reduction it is already easy to sustain, and running cost reduction would just hurt your overall DPS to make something that is a minor part of your DPS free.

I really appreciate this change and the fact that I can relocate an eruption without being punished with a 5k magicka tax helps a lot with sustaining in actual content.

AinSoph

This seems a bit ridiculous for a niche pvp stamDK build. Free 70% snare placement, free heals, free ult gen, free stam. I know next to nothing about real pvp building but this may be a bit too much.

kojou

AinSoph wrote: »

This seems a bit ridiculous for a niche pvp stamDK build. Free 70% snare placement, free heals, free ult gen, free stam. I know next to nothing about real pvp building but this may be a bit too much.

Technically it is not free... you are giving up other jewelry enchantments for magicka cost.