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PTS Update 32 - Feedback Thread for New Item Sets & Mythic Items
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unfortunately, the 300 spell damage you get with it just doesn't really seem beneficial over either running Sithis for armor and max health or death dealers for max stats across the board. Maybe if the spell damage were upped to 150 or even 200 per stack, I could see it being more useful. As it is, probably going to pass. And I don't see many classes dropping a set bonus for 200 or 300 spell/weapon damage. Especially when in most cases they could just run something that gives that that damage without having to not wear set pieces.
150 or even 200 per stack would be massively overtuned. The Markyn ring in its current state is already BiS for many PVE and PVP builds, specifically those who can't lose block mitigation wearing Sithis and do not care much about secondary stats from Fete. Fete is also mediocre in content where you frequently exit combat.
Which content do you frequently exit combat? Are we playing the same game?
Playing since beta...1 -
propertyOfUndefined✭✭✭✭✭Unfortunately, the new mythic items seem uninspired and very underwhelming. I doubt I’ll be acquiring any of them. It’s a pity too since I was really excited about something new and fun to incorporate into my builds, especially since the Armory system doesn’t excite me at all. Oh well…1 -
Wellsley✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »The Markyn Ring of Majesty clearly needs to be an armor piece, the fact that this set is built to synergize with 3 piece sets but all the 3 piece sets are jewelry and this is a ring taking 1/3 jewelry slots is criminal! Poor set design on the devs!
True.
Exemple for a magic char :
Fete + magma =
- 2640 tri
- 129 regen
- 215 sp
- 2974 resist
Markyn and willpower :
- 506 sp
- 1752 mag
- 3471 resist
For some stats markyn are superior but only if willpower have 1 body piece, if not fete are superior.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »The Markyn Ring of Majesty clearly needs to be an armor piece, the fact that this set is built to synergize with 3 piece sets but all the 3 piece sets are jewelry and this is a ring taking 1/3 jewelry slots is criminal! Poor set design on the devs!
True.
Exemple for a magic char :
Fete + magma =
- 2640 tri
- 129 regen
- 215 sp
- 2974 resist
Markyn and willpower :
- 506 sp
- 1752 mag
- 3471 resist
For some stats markyn are superior but only if willpower have 1 body piece, if not fete are superior.
Again. It doesn't need to be body.
1 jewel Markyn
1 jewel willpower
Weapon (counts two slots) willpower
1 jewel trainee
2 body trainee
5 body any 5 piece set you want. Or 3 pieces and a 2 piece monster set.
That is the best you can ever do with this ring. 2 3 piece sets and a 5 piece set. Or 2 3 piece sets, 3 pieces of 5, and 2 monster.
Either setup gets you only 3 stacks and that is the best you can ever do with the set. And it being on jewelry or body is irrelevant. It still functions the same and allows you to stack the exact same number of 3 piece sets.2 -
Wellsley✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »The Markyn Ring of Majesty clearly needs to be an armor piece, the fact that this set is built to synergize with 3 piece sets but all the 3 piece sets are jewelry and this is a ring taking 1/3 jewelry slots is criminal! Poor set design on the devs!
True.
Exemple for a magic char :
Fete + magma =
- 2640 tri
- 129 regen
- 215 sp
- 2974 resist
Markyn and willpower :
- 506 sp
- 1752 mag
- 3471 resist
For some stats markyn are superior but only if willpower have 1 body piece, if not fete are superior.
Again. It doesn't need to be body.
1 jewel Markyn
1 jewel willpower
Weapon (counts two slots) willpower
1 jewel trainee
2 body trainee
5 body any 5 piece set you want. Or 3 pieces and a 2 piece monster set.
That is the best you can ever do with this ring. 2 3 piece sets and a 5 piece set. Or 2 3 piece sets, 3 pieces of 5, and 2 monster.
Either setup gets you only 3 stacks and that is the best you can ever do with the set. And it being on jewelry or body is irrelevant. It still functions the same and allows you to stack the exact same number of 3 piece sets.
My comparison was for fete and markyn. Its impossible to run 2x5 piece, markyn and willpower for outperform (more damage and a little more resist) magma, 2x5 and fete. It could be if willpower was a body piece.0 -
Wellsley✭✭✭Its just between these 2 mythical items but if markyn stay the same (no buff and no body piece) I think there is more interesting.0
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RE: Markyn Ring of Majesty
Keep in mind its not just a comparison of Mythics. Its Mythics vs all other options, which includes 5 + 5 + 2 setups.
Domihaus has effectively 200 spell/weapon damage (300 damage for 10 seconds with 15 second cool down) and a damage proc and it is not preferred over the wading kilt, Zaan, Valkyn Skoria, or even Maw of the Infernal, for "meta" PvE builds. If I have the choice of running two 5 piece sets, one monster piece, and another piece, that other piece can be the second monster piece instead of a mythic item. With damage procs being able to crit again a lot of options that were off the table are back on again.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »The Markyn Ring of Majesty clearly needs to be an armor piece, the fact that this set is built to synergize with 3 piece sets but all the 3 piece sets are jewelry and this is a ring taking 1/3 jewelry slots is criminal! Poor set design on the devs!
True.
Exemple for a magic char :
Fete + magma =
- 2640 tri
- 129 regen
- 215 sp
- 2974 resist
Markyn and willpower :
- 506 sp
- 1752 mag
- 3471 resist
For some stats markyn are superior but only if willpower have 1 body piece, if not fete are superior.
Again. It doesn't need to be body.
1 jewel Markyn
1 jewel willpower
Weapon (counts two slots) willpower
1 jewel trainee
2 body trainee
5 body any 5 piece set you want. Or 3 pieces and a 2 piece monster set.
That is the best you can ever do with this ring. 2 3 piece sets and a 5 piece set. Or 2 3 piece sets, 3 pieces of 5, and 2 monster.
Either setup gets you only 3 stacks and that is the best you can ever do with the set. And it being on jewelry or body is irrelevant. It still functions the same and allows you to stack the exact same number of 3 piece sets.
My comparison was for fete and markyn. Its impossible to run 2x5 piece, markyn and willpower for outperform (more damage and a little more resist) magma, 2x5 and fete. It could be if willpower was a body piece.
IDK where you are getting the 2 5 piece from. A build using Fete and a build using Markyn will be identical in gear setup minus 1 piece. Even using 2 5 pieces with Fete wouldn't leave room for 3 piece willpower. You have to either go 5-5-1-1 (which no one really does) or you go 5-3-2-1-1 (with 2 trainee, monster piece and mythic). The only change a Markyn build will need to do is switch the monster piece to a 3rd piece of trainee.
My whole point is that willpower being a weapon set is irrelevant to the make up of either build's power. And that Markyn is fine as a jewelry piece because it literally doesn't matter since you can only have a possible 3 stacks of the buff and the only 3 piece set that isn't jewelry and weapons is trainee. So, given you have 5 slots between jewelry and weapons, you could only run 1 weapon set anyways, no matter where that mythic was slotted.2 -
Rebiludo✭✭✭5-piece set (front bar + 3 body)
5-piece set (back bar + 3 body)
3-piece set (necklace and ring)
1-mythic (body).
No monster set, no arena weapon set.
Body is clearly needed for that good set up !
Edited by Rebiludo on September 28, 2021 2:02PM1 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »The Markyn Ring of Majesty clearly needs to be an armor piece, the fact that this set is built to synergize with 3 piece sets but all the 3 piece sets are jewelry and this is a ring taking 1/3 jewelry slots is criminal! Poor set design on the devs!
True.
Exemple for a magic char :
Fete + magma =
- 2640 tri
- 129 regen
- 215 sp
- 2974 resist
Markyn and willpower :
- 506 sp
- 1752 mag
- 3471 resist
For some stats markyn are superior but only if willpower have 1 body piece, if not fete are superior.
Again. It doesn't need to be body.
1 jewel Markyn
1 jewel willpower
Weapon (counts two slots) willpower
1 jewel trainee
2 body trainee
5 body any 5 piece set you want. Or 3 pieces and a 2 piece monster set.
That is the best you can ever do with this ring. 2 3 piece sets and a 5 piece set. Or 2 3 piece sets, 3 pieces of 5, and 2 monster.
Either setup gets you only 3 stacks and that is the best you can ever do with the set. And it being on jewelry or body is irrelevant. It still functions the same and allows you to stack the exact same number of 3 piece sets.
My comparison was for fete and markyn. Its impossible to run 2x5 piece, markyn and willpower for outperform (more damage and a little more resist) magma, 2x5 and fete. It could be if willpower was a body piece.
IDK where you are getting the 2 5 piece from. A build using Fete and a build using Markyn will be identical in gear setup minus 1 piece. Even using 2 5 pieces with Fete wouldn't leave room for 3 piece willpower. You have to either go 5-5-1-1 (which no one really does) or you go 5-3-2-1-1 (with 2 trainee, monster piece and mythic). The only change a Markyn build will need to do is switch the monster piece to a 3rd piece of trainee.
My whole point is that willpower being a weapon set is irrelevant to the make up of either build's power. And that Markyn is fine as a jewelry piece because it literally doesn't matter since you can only have a possible 3 stacks of the buff and the only 3 piece set that isn't jewelry and weapons is trainee. So, given you have 5 slots between jewelry and weapons, you could only run 1 weapon set anyways, no matter where that mythic was slotted.
I agree... it doesn't really matter whether Markyn Ring of Majesty is a jewelry or body piece.
You only have 5 pieces that can be dedicated for a 3 piece set that comes in weapons and jewelry, so you can only run one of those whether you run a mythic jewelry piece or not.
What I would like to see happen is all of the 3 piece sets get body pieces (like trainee has) so that we can mix and match to maximize the bonus for the Markyn ring.Playing since beta...0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RE: Markyn Ring of Majesty
Keep in mind its not just a comparison of Mythics. Its Mythics vs all other options, which includes 5 + 5 + 2 setups.
Domihaus has effectively 200 spell/weapon damage (300 damage for 10 seconds with 15 second cool down) and a damage proc and it is not preferred over the wading kilt, Zaan, Valkyn Skoria, or even Maw of the Infernal, for "meta" PvE builds. If I have the choice of running two 5 piece sets, one monster piece, and another piece, that other piece can be the second monster piece instead of a mythic item. With damage procs being able to crit again a lot of options that were off the table are back on again.
I think the reason most don't use full domi is the damage proc is limited and only works for enemies who are directly in the outer edge of the ring. And the spell/weapon damage proc only works if you remain in it. For mobile fights, especially PVP, these are both useless procs, and for most PVE fights that are not mobile, yeah, just better damage options available. If the Domi proc released like an AOE blast of damage upfront and you gained like 20 weapon and spell damage for each enemy hit, up to 10x for X seconds, it would be a far better set, and would still thematically fit with the theme of the boss it is named after. As it is now, it's not much more than a great 1 piece set.0 -
ealdwin✭✭✭✭✭
✭5-piece set (front bar + 3 body)
5-piece set (back bar + 3 body)
3-piece set (necklace and ring)
1-mythic (body).
No monster set, no arena weapon set.
Body is clearly needed for that good set up !
Would that work? Text of the mythic is "active on the wearer" which leads me to believe that setup would only provide 2 stacks of the bonus, and not the max 3.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭5-piece set (front bar + 3 body)
5-piece set (back bar + 3 body)
3-piece set (necklace and ring)
1-mythic (body).
No monster set, no arena weapon set.
Body is clearly needed for that good set up !
Would that work? Text of the mythic is "active on the wearer" which leads me to believe that setup would only provide 2 stacks of the bonus, and not the max 3.
It would work if the 3 piece set was Trainee with the 3rd piece on the body. The hypothetical build they put together here is trying to force this mythic into a body slot.1 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RE: Markyn Ring of Majesty
Keep in mind its not just a comparison of Mythics. Its Mythics vs all other options, which includes 5 + 5 + 2 setups.
Domihaus has effectively 200 spell/weapon damage (300 damage for 10 seconds with 15 second cool down) and a damage proc and it is not preferred over the wading kilt, Zaan, Valkyn Skoria, or even Maw of the Infernal, for "meta" PvE builds. If I have the choice of running two 5 piece sets, one monster piece, and another piece, that other piece can be the second monster piece instead of a mythic item. With damage procs being able to crit again a lot of options that were off the table are back on again.
I think the reason most don't use full domi is the damage proc is limited and only works for enemies who are directly in the outer edge of the ring. And the spell/weapon damage proc only works if you remain in it. For mobile fights, especially PVP, these are both useless procs, and for most PVE fights that are not mobile, yeah, just better damage options available. If the Domi proc released like an AOE blast of damage upfront and you gained like 20 weapon and spell damage for each enemy hit, up to 10x for X seconds, it would be a far better set, and would still thematically fit with the theme of the boss it is named after. As it is now, it's not much more than a great 1 piece set.
Even if you can stay in the ring it is not preferred. 200 spell damage/weapon damage is just not that powerful of a bonus.Playing since beta...0 -
FeedbackOnly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Spaulder of Ruin
The recovery change is a lot better, so healers finally have a mythic item, but in no way is going to work out with it only affecting 6 allies. It's going to make it so other monster sets never get used anymore at all.0 -
Wellsley✭✭✭5-piece set (front bar + 3 body)
5-piece set (back bar + 3 body)
3-piece set (necklace and ring)
1-mythic (body).
No monster set, no arena weapon set.
Body is clearly needed for that good set up !
Yeah, with 1 proc set to keep the bonus with all the bars. I maintain markyn (if body piece) have more damage and a bit more resistance compared to magma and fete/markyn ring. Anyway, markyn will always be a ring but I think he deserves to be more powerful.
Why not 1 markyn charge for every last set bonus, with a maximum of 3 charges.Edited by Wellsley on September 28, 2021 6:15PM0 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Feedback for Markyn Ring of Majesty:
I attempted to do some theory crafting around this item and found that it doesn't have a lot of 3 Piece set options that you can run with it.
The one setup I could come up with is running Willpower 3x (Weapons and 1 Jewelry), Trainee 3x (1 Jewelry and 2 body pieces), and one 5 piece set of your choice. The problem is that most 3 piece sets are weapons and jewelry which means that Trainee is really the only other 3 piece set you can use with it since it is the only one with body pieces. Obviously you can run 3/5 of a 5 piece set, but it would be nice if all of the other 3 piece sets had body pieces so you could have more options to maximize it.
I feel like the best way to run this set would be to just use it with two 5 Piece sets and "only" take 200 Damage and 2k resists. Which is fine, but doesn't make me feel like it is a "Mythic" item, and doesn't feel like I am maximizing the potential of the item.
This mythic should not be a jewel. Too many 3pc sets are jewels / weapons only. Make it a crown. Markyn Crown of Majesty and this set would make sense (you don't want to run a monster set with it anyway)7 -
Wellsley✭✭✭Feedback for Markyn Ring of Majesty:
I attempted to do some theory crafting around this item and found that it doesn't have a lot of 3 Piece set options that you can run with it.
The one setup I could come up with is running Willpower 3x (Weapons and 1 Jewelry), Trainee 3x (1 Jewelry and 2 body pieces), and one 5 piece set of your choice. The problem is that most 3 piece sets are weapons and jewelry which means that Trainee is really the only other 3 piece set you can use with it since it is the only one with body pieces. Obviously you can run 3/5 of a 5 piece set, but it would be nice if all of the other 3 piece sets had body pieces so you could have more options to maximize it.
I feel like the best way to run this set would be to just use it with two 5 Piece sets and "only" take 200 Damage and 2k resists. Which is fine, but doesn't make me feel like it is a "Mythic" item, and doesn't feel like I am maximizing the potential of the item.
This mythic should not be a jewel. Too many 3pc sets are jewels / weapons only. Make it a crown. Markyn Crown of Majesty and this set would make sense (you don't want to run a monster set with it anyway)
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ebix_✭✭✭✭any plan on fixing clever alchemist ? doesn't look like a challenging bug tbh and it's been bugged for a while.
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dhoward5b14_ESO✭✭✭I am hoping that Spaulder will only reduce your recovery for a maximum of 6 - the same number it can buff. That would be 420 recovery which could still be doable on a tank, especially if offset with a set like Stone Talker which has two magic recovery lines (and recovery jewelry). If it prioritizes closest targets then it should be hitting DD.
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