Why is ESO letting 30-40% of their players cheat?

Skullderic

No one cheats in games? I see cheaters daily, Lock, warn me, I don't care.
Something need to be done, This is getting stupid.

VaranisArano

I assume you've reported whatever these players are doing to cheat, yeah? That's usually a first step to getting something done.

Alchimiste1

Why do you think they are cheating?

Skullderic

VaranisArano wrote: »

I assume you've reported whatever these players are doing to cheat, yeah? That's usually a first step to getting something done.

Playing 7 years, Yes. I report cheaters daily.
New cheat started about 5 months ago, Its like Rabid fire, Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec. Its really stupid. No lagg going on at all, 80 Ping etc etc.

Gambino108

What makes you sure people are cheating?

This has my attention because I just spent past hour with 10 people telling me I've been reported for cheating and my account banned, purely on the reason I've made all of you look like dandelions in a monsoon.

PC EU in this instance, but literally my whisper's flooded because I've intercepted a scroll group of about 20, surprised them and then spent 15 mins by myself standing on a cliff corner magnum-shot people into the fishes.

God help me - I am there for the taking if you know how to walk the cliffs XD

Aelsioln

Skullderic wrote: »

Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec.

Pretty sure that is impossible as I've seen multiple sources state that there is a 1 second global cooldown between any skill use. I could be wrong though.

Amottica

Skullderic wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I assume you've reported whatever these players are doing to cheat, yeah? That's usually a first step to getting something done.

Playing 7 years, Yes. I report cheaters daily.
New cheat started about 5 months ago, Its like Rabid fire, Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec. Its really stupid. No lagg going on at all, 80 Ping etc etc.

There is a server-side GCD of approximately one second per skill, not including weaving a basic attack. What can happen, and does happen, is server lag leads to the player getting attacked seeing all the attacks come at once even though they did not. So that is not the player cheating but poor server performance in PvP.

ResidentContrarian

Aelsioln wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec.

Pretty sure that is impossible as I've seen multiple sources state that there is a 1 second global cooldown between any skill use. I could be wrong though.

No, it is a legit problem in BGs. The other one is firing a bunch of unrelated class skills in BGs. Every weekend there is a guy that "trolls" BGs and does it, which is why you see complaints appear around the weekends. The guy probably has a trillion accounts and/or shared it with other people to come and troll the game by now that otherwise wouldn't play.

Kory

Online gaming. Exploits, cheats, and lag it all blends together doesn't it?

Vevvev

Skullderic wrote: »

Playing 7 years, Yes. I report cheaters daily.
New cheat started about 5 months ago, Its like Rabid fire, Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec. Its really stupid. No lagg going on at all, 80 Ping etc etc.

That's not cheating but ZOS's servers unable to send you all the packets to your computer as to what is happening on it's end. Leads to dying but still thinking you're alive, having damage stack up all at once, getting hit by siege weapons that landed their shots in an area long before you entered it only to be standing there when it's damage tick happened, and so much more.

Kwoung

If this thread is about PVP, its the servers, not the players 99.99% of the time. I have dropped dead multiple times after being out of combat and away from the fight for a good 30 seconds, then everything that happened previously hit me all at once and I drop dead on the spot... with no one around.

Thannazzar

In essence if you want to blame anything it's stadia, things got infinitely worse when all the calcs were moved serverside to accomadate stadia specs.

Red_Feather

Is it bad in this game?

I also play bless unleashed and cheating has gotten so bad there that their news feed posted a detailed warning of the repercussions of being caught cheating, and now publicly posts lists of account info of players who were banned. It outs them to all.

davidtk

Vevvev wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Playing 7 years, Yes. I report cheaters daily.
New cheat started about 5 months ago, Its like Rabid fire, Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec. Its really stupid. No lagg going on at all, 80 Ping etc etc.

That's not cheating but ZOS's servers unable to send you all the packets to your computer as to what is happening on it's end. Leads to dying but still thinking you're alive, having damage stack up all at once, getting hit by siege weapons that landed their shots in an area long before you entered it only to be standing there when it's damage tick happened, and so much more.

Absolutely agree! I encounter many times this lag... 2 seconds lag and i thought that i am alive but i was 2 seconds dead...
They must change hamesters in their servers its worse and worse.

Thannazzar wrote: »

In essence if you want to blame anything it's stadia, things got infinitely worse when all the calcs were moved serverside to accomadate stadia specs.

This "console" must be eliminated for better QoL...

six2fall

davidtk wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Playing 7 years, Yes. I report cheaters daily.
New cheat started about 5 months ago, Its like Rabid fire, Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec. Its really stupid. No lagg going on at all, 80 Ping etc etc.

That's not cheating but ZOS's servers unable to send you all the packets to your computer as to what is happening on it's end. Leads to dying but still thinking you're alive, having damage stack up all at once, getting hit by siege weapons that landed their shots in an area long before you entered it only to be standing there when it's damage tick happened, and so much more.

Absolutely agree! I encounter many times this lag... 2 seconds lag and i thought that i am alive but i was 2 seconds dead...
They must change hamesters in their servers its worse and worse.

Thannazzar wrote: »

In essence if you want to blame anything it's stadia, things got infinitely worse when all the calcs were moved serverside to accomadate stadia specs.

This "console" must be eliminated for better QoL...

It should die off on it's own but for some reason people use it. Hopefully once they have to pay for their own isp they will stop

GenjiraX

davidtk wrote: »

Thannazzar wrote: »

In essence if you want to blame anything it's stadia, things got infinitely worse when all the calcs were moved serverside to accomadate stadia specs.

This "console" must be eliminated for better QoL...

I agree but wouldn’t xCloud work the same way? I can’t see them abandoning that.

colossalvoids

Interesting statistics, wanna see anything backing it up.

Anyway what's the content allowing to see cheating every day? I'm curious as after years of play I've seen like under five cases of obvious cheating, all but two were in BG's and the other couple in Cyro. But to see some every day with an evidence of it being cheating and not server behaviour it's new.

Chilly-McFreeze

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Aelsioln wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec.

Pretty sure that is impossible as I've seen multiple sources state that there is a 1 second global cooldown between any skill use. I could be wrong though.

No, it is a legit problem in BGs. The other one is firing a bunch of unrelated class skills in BGs. Every weekend there is a guy that "trolls" BGs and does it, which is why you see complaints appear around the weekends. The guy probably has a trillion accounts and/or shared it with other people to come and troll the game by now that otherwise wouldn't play.

What platform/server is that happening? I'm not doing BG often but I'm interested to see this.

ResidentContrarian

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Aelsioln wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec.

Pretty sure that is impossible as I've seen multiple sources state that there is a 1 second global cooldown between any skill use. I could be wrong though.

No, it is a legit problem in BGs. The other one is firing a bunch of unrelated class skills in BGs. Every weekend there is a guy that "trolls" BGs and does it, which is why you see complaints appear around the weekends. The guy probably has a trillion accounts and/or shared it with other people to come and troll the game by now that otherwise wouldn't play.

What platform/server is that happening? I'm not doing BG often but I'm interested to see this.

PC NA... The cheater has a new account every weekend, so wouldn't be surprised if they are complaining about him. I see the same thing every weekend if I spam BGs, I have not this one. Usually, he starts off normal and "legit" but once he starts losing...

One ranged light attack and random skills, even from different classes, all over the recap from him. He also always kills his teammates usually. His cheating seems to be limited to modifying skill effects since you can still dodge his light attack. The other effect is like a machine gun...

The last time I saw the guy his acct. name was different and he did manage to lose anyway because the other team moved the flag to ours just so his team would lose.

He is probably either buying more accounts every week or has a stack of codes and a way to avoid being blocked. Someone must have really hurt him in PvP for him to be so dedicated Then again, maybe he just likes trolling the game...

Daffen

I reccomend using combat metrics, that way you can see the exact time when you took damage, healed, dealt damage. More often than not, your hp bar is desynced and everything came at once for no reason.

6-8 abilities in 1 second is not possible and your claim is based on nothing. Thats why combat metrics would be nice cause then you could post a screenshot and i wouldve believed you. 3 in 1 second is possible if you know how to manipulate the ability enough. However it only works for abilities with travel time, best ones are crystal shard proc and snipe. If you move forward towards opponent while casting abilities they will hit at almost same time.

The only cheat i know about is not possible anymore due to server side calculations. A guy was flying around with speedhack ontop of keeps and inside rocks. There were also alot of players with immortality cheat, not your regular tank build. Spamming meteors from the air was also funny to watch.

Kusto

30-40% of players cheat? lmao

Now I know why I die so much in pvp.

ResidentContrarian

Kusto wrote: »

30-40% of players cheat? lmao

Now I know why I die so much in pvp.

Haha, cheating is very rare in the game, but in most cases it is obvious...some people even admit to it if you message them. I had one guy say he was quitting and wanted to go out in a blast, another one said he used cheats because I was obviously cheating with godmode (and then I asked him how did I die when he cheated then?), etc.

Combat metrics is a good thing to have because there is a lot of desync, and server side calculations, if recorded would ultimately be able to determine if someone is cheating or not if they are doing it in a way that isn't obvious.

VaranisArano

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Aelsioln wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec.

Pretty sure that is impossible as I've seen multiple sources state that there is a 1 second global cooldown between any skill use. I could be wrong though.

No, it is a legit problem in BGs. The other one is firing a bunch of unrelated class skills in BGs. Every weekend there is a guy that "trolls" BGs and does it, which is why you see complaints appear around the weekends. The guy probably has a trillion accounts and/or shared it with other people to come and troll the game by now that otherwise wouldn't play.

What platform/server is that happening? I'm not doing BG often but I'm interested to see this.

PC NA... The cheater has a new account every weekend, so wouldn't be surprised if they are complaining about him. I see the same thing every weekend if I spam BGs, I have not this one. Usually, he starts off normal and "legit" but once he starts losing...

One ranged light attack and random skills, even from different classes, all over the recap from him. He also always kills his teammates usually. His cheating seems to be limited to modifying skill effects since you can still dodge his light attack. The other effect is like a machine gun...

The last time I saw the guy his acct. name was different and he did manage to lose anyway because the other team moved the flag to ours just so his team would lose.

He is probably either buying more accounts every week or has a stack of codes and a way to avoid being blocked. Someone must have really hurt him in PvP for him to be so dedicated Then again, maybe he just likes trolling the game...

Well, if he's swapping accounts, it seems to indicate that perhaps the players reporting him to ZOS are having an effect.

ZOS doesn't IP ban people, so I'm not sure what else could be done. Have a mod watch the BGs and nuke him when he cheats, if he's that predictable?

ADarklore

Kwoung wrote: »

If this thread is about PVP, its the servers, not the players 99.99% of the time. I have dropped dead multiple times after being out of combat and away from the fight for a good 30 seconds, then everything that happened previously hit me all at once and I drop dead on the spot... with no one around.

This isn't just a PVP thing... many many times I'll be in combat with a PVE enemy and my Companion will suddenly stop attack and run back to me... yet the enemy is still standing but unmoving... then a couple secs later they drop dead.

It's called 'dropped packets' and it doesn't necessarily have to be on the game's end, could be an ISP issue as well. From my understanding, anywhere along the line that lag can occur can cause this.

temerley

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Aelsioln wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec.

Pretty sure that is impossible as I've seen multiple sources state that there is a 1 second global cooldown between any skill use. I could be wrong though.

No, it is a legit problem in BGs. The other one is firing a bunch of unrelated class skills in BGs. Every weekend there is a guy that "trolls" BGs and does it, which is why you see complaints appear around the weekends. The guy probably has a trillion accounts and/or shared it with other people to come and troll the game by now that otherwise wouldn't play.

What platform/server is that happening? I'm not doing BG often but I'm interested to see this.

PC NA... The cheater has a new account every weekend, so wouldn't be surprised if they are complaining about him. I see the same thing every weekend if I spam BGs, I have not this one. Usually, he starts off normal and "legit" but once he starts losing...

One ranged light attack and random skills, even from different classes, all over the recap from him. He also always kills his teammates usually. His cheating seems to be limited to modifying skill effects since you can still dodge his light attack. The other effect is like a machine gun...

The last time I saw the guy his acct. name was different and he did manage to lose anyway because the other team moved the flag to ours just so his team would lose.

He is probably either buying more accounts every week or has a stack of codes and a way to avoid being blocked. Someone must have really hurt him in PvP for him to be so dedicated Then again, maybe he just likes trolling the game...

It’s not only this guy, there is also another one that can’t die. Not your top tier player but a guy that resurrects immediately after dying.

Lot of cheating vids on yt guys, check it out.

Vhozek

Jesus Christ, what's even on the line for you to find this so horrifying? Been playing for years and never seen a cheater. It's not common. Just report it and move on. It's not killing you irl. Worry about your wasted free time when ACTUALLY 30-40% of players are cheaters.

Pevey

I have no idea what percentage of players cheat. It is probably fairly low. But the cheats are out there and widely available. To think that NO ONE is using them would be naive.

Aznox

30-40% is a reasonable number ... for the proportion of players that would find confort in blaming their performance on imaginary cheaters.

@Skullderic Please install this add-on :
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1360-CombatMetrics.html

Then go fight the "cheaters".

Then come back with screenshots of damage received logs.

belial5221_ESO

Turn down your graphics,it helps alot.Just cause you think your PC is great don't mean ultra is for you.Some people think it shouldn't make difference,but it does for me alot. Make sure others in household,or background things aren't runnin that could cause lag spikes.I know my gf when she logs into certain games,or starts streaming things,it causes lagspike and it's not good when battling bosses or in PVP. Lots have been complaining about sorcs being able to proc 6-8 skills in under a sec,but it's something on serverside causing it(possible all the calcs needing done for all players at once),and worse during any event cause of load,especially PVP.

RevJJ

Ok, serious question. If getting hit by more skills per second than the global cooldown should allow is because of server lag/desync, why is it always the same players that seem to be benefiting from this?

Aznarb

Amottica wrote: »

Skullderic wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I assume you've reported whatever these players are doing to cheat, yeah? That's usually a first step to getting something done.

Playing 7 years, Yes. I report cheaters daily.
New cheat started about 5 months ago, Its like Rabid fire, Players using the same skill 6-8 times in under a sec. Its really stupid. No lagg going on at all, 80 Ping etc etc.

There is a server-side GCD of approximately one second per skill, not including weaving a basic attack. What can happen, and does happen, is server lag leads to the player getting attacked seeing all the attacks come at once even though they did not. So that is not the player cheating but poor server performance in PvP.

Poor perf in PvP ? Seem like a lie !