Okay why did ZOS think it was a good idea to introduce these sets for PvP?

MadeInVN

Seriously why?

zelaminator

Maybe you should tell us what set/sets you are talking about

Amottica

zelaminator wrote: »

Maybe you should tell us what set/sets you are talking about

It would seem they are talking about Wrothgar's chill. It is the name listed in the SS, though I wonder if that is photoshopped.

Arcanasx

When faced with 19k Hrothgar's Chill, try using Encase or Rune Prison to even the odds.

temerley

Don't think it's photo-shopped.

19,386/0.26=74.5k

74.5k/2=~37k spell and phy resist which is believable, with pariah it can get even higher.

I can see this happening with say, balorgh and 2h ult.

zelaminator

Seems like a good set to use against ballgroups.. we're you perhaps in such a group when you died.?

MadeInVN

Amottica wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Maybe you should tell us what set/sets you are talking about

It would seem they are talking about Wrothgar's chill. It is the name listed in the SS, though I wonder if that is photoshopped.

I and another guy got hit with this by someone getting CC mid corrosive. Corrosive gives around 100k armor, so 26% of that. The proc is AoE as well.

temerley

[redacted pre-emptively].

MadeInVN

zelaminator wrote: »

Seems like a good set to use against ballgroups.. we're you perhaps in such a group when you died.?

The screenshot was taken in a BG game. How on earth are you going to avoid a BG fight without making your team lose?

Defending

Hrothgar's Chill is probably intended to be a great counter to Pariah since everyone seems to recommend/shift towards that set as the defensive option.

Though as a defensive player frankly there are multiple other better alternatives, so personally Hrothgar's Chill don’t even affect me that much. At best it is just slightly overturned in my opinion.

Not to mention we now have free major protection from flare for more mitigation, but that’s a separate topic.

YandereGirlfriend

MadeInVN wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Maybe you should tell us what set/sets you are talking about

It would seem they are talking about Wrothgar's chill. It is the name listed in the SS, though I wonder if that is photoshopped.

I and another guy got hit with this by someone getting CC mid corrosive. Corrosive gives around 100k armor, so 26% of that. The proc is AoE as well.

IF that's true then it sounds more like a problem with the back-end implementation of Corrosive than it does with the set.

MadeInVN

Defending wrote: »

Hrothgar's Chill is probably intended to be a great counter to Pariah since everyone seems to recommend/shift towards that set as the defensive option.

Though as a defensive player frankly there are multiple other better alternatives, so personally Hrothgar's Chill don’t even affect me that much. At best it is just slightly overturned in my opinion.

Not to mention we now have free major protection from flare for more mitigation, but that’s a separate topic.

Yea, but the issue is it's aoe damage and doesnt require you to stack into offensive dmg. You just need to find a tank on the other team (the healer who is usually the tankiest) and stun that guy and everyone around him takes a 12-15k proc. It also has a 7s cooldown, so you can literally wear 3 defensive sets yourself and still have the potential to wipe an entire team. Those are just some issues off the top of my head, but there are a lot more wrong with this set in a real fight.

zelaminator

MadeInVN wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Seems like a good set to use against ballgroups.. we're you perhaps in such a group when you died.?

The screenshot was taken in a BG game. How on earth are you going to avoid a BG fight without making your team lose?

I cant see what you are doing from that tiny picture, so it was a fair question

dem0n1k

zelaminator wrote: »

MadeInVN wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Seems like a good set to use against ballgroups.. we're you perhaps in such a group when you died.?

The screenshot was taken in a BG game. How on earth are you going to avoid a BG fight without making your team lose?

I cant see what you are doing from that tiny picture

The giveaway is the Orange fire drake icon

zelaminator

dem0n1k wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

MadeInVN wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Seems like a good set to use against ballgroups.. we're you perhaps in such a group when you died.?

The screenshot was taken in a BG game. How on earth are you going to avoid a BG fight without making your team lose?

I cant see what you are doing from that tiny picture

The giveaway is the Orange fire drake icon

True.. On a phone though, so just looked like EP hehe

temerley

MadeInVN wrote: »

Defending wrote: »

Hrothgar's Chill is probably intended to be a great counter to Pariah since everyone seems to recommend/shift towards that set as the defensive option.

Though as a defensive player frankly there are multiple other better alternatives, so personally Hrothgar's Chill don’t even affect me that much. At best it is just slightly overturned in my opinion.

Not to mention we now have free major protection from flare for more mitigation, but that’s a separate topic.

Yea, but the issue is it's aoe damage and doesnt require you to stack into offensive dmg. You just need to find a tank on the other team (the healer who is usually the tankiest) and stun that guy and everyone around him takes a 12-15k proc. It also has a 7s cooldown, so you can literally wear 3 defensive sets yourself and still have the potential to wipe an entire team. Those are just some issues off the top of my head, but there are a lot more wrong with this set in a real fight.

LOLOLOLOL, Balorgh+VD+HC+Proxy?

temerley

50K health warden warden just spamming artic blast.
Toppling proc.
DB + Proc
Talons + proc
Streak + proc
tether + proc
and the list goes on.......

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, I guess the no cp, no proc sounds good right now.

SkaraMinoc

Total Resist * 0.26 * Battle Spirit * (1 - Mitigation) = Damage
Damage / (0.26 * Battle Spirit * (1 - Mitigation)) = Total Resist

Let's say you had 0 resist and they had +15% Berserk, 19386 / (0.26 * 0.5 * 1.15) = 129672 Total Resist

How is this possible?

temerley

OH MY GOD, the AOE STUNS AND IMMOBILIZE ARE GONNA BE OP.

SkaraMinoc

temerley wrote: »

19,386/0.26=74.5k

74.5k/2=~37k spell and phy resist which is believable, with pariah it can get even higher.

You forgot battle spirit.

Total Resist * 0.26 * Battle Spirit * (1 - Mitigation) = Damage
Damage / (0.26 * Battle Spirit * (1 - Mitigation)) = Total Resist

149123 * 0.26 * 0.5 = 19386 damage taken w/ 0 mitigation
19386 / (0.26 * 0.5) = 149123 total resist

SkaraMinoc

There must be an effect from another set we're not seeing that's spiking the source damage or target's resist.

Or there's a bug in the calculation and this is not intended.

temerley

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

temerley wrote: »

19,386/0.26=74.5k

74.5k/2=~37k spell and phy resist which is believable, with pariah it can get even higher.

You forgot battle spirit.

Total Resist * 0.26 * Battle Spirit * (1 - Mitigation) = Damage
Damage / (0.26 * Battle Spirit * (1 - Mitigation)) = Total Resist

149123 * 0.26 * 0.5 = 19386 damage taken w/ 0 mitigation
19386 / (0.26 * 0.5) = 149123 total resist

Ah yes, didn't really think about battle spirit.

Vhozek

Just be faster, it's right there 4heed

Defending

temerley wrote: »

50K health warden warden just spamming artic blast.
Toppling proc.
DB + Proc
Talons + proc
Streak + proc
tether + proc
and the list goes on.......

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, I guess the no cp, no proc sounds good right now.

I mean the whole point of this occurrence is because players are sick of being one-shotted, no new set or future major game modifications will change the result.

Over the past weeks playing battlegrounds consistently I can’t even remember how many sub 25k hp players just got one-shotted by crystal weapon + frenzied momentum and just avoid PvP (do objectives) or quit the match.

If Hrothgar Chill is intended to be the “tank buster” then a serious review of the set will be needed since well - As OP mentioned i too believe it might be an overlook on the set design that “pure tanks” themselves can use the set and actually achieve better results.

ResidentContrarian

Again, another thing I have had zero issues running into. Considering I defend the breaches and keeps all the time on the same exact server you do, it's hard to believe that such a problematic set wouldn't be encountered at the same values for everyone else.

Also, the entire purpose is to punish players stacking. You know what the counter to the set is? Not stacking, not being a tanky build, and again -- making different build choices and decisions than the ones you are doing now.

Every decision should have a consequence. Previously, that wasn't the case, but now that it's happening on live and people's cheese 1vX builds are getting melted, the forums are now the place to complain about it?

This patch is literally more balanced than I ever thought it would be an still better than the last patch, and yet the complaints will flood the forums as expected anyway.

I can post screenshots of 23k bow heavies, does that mean they need a nerf too? I am sure if I start talking about those, players will promptly direct me to the roll and block button, then next direct me to the build simulator.

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jaws343

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

There must be an effect from another set we're not seeing that's spiking the source damage or target's resist.

Or there's a bug in the calculation and this is not intended.

It was mentioned in a comment that the target was using the corrosive Ult, which gives them more resistance. So the set is working as intended, doing more damage the more resistance the target has.

I don't really see this as a problem. The target had high resistance from an ult, and they got punished for it.

FENGRUSH

jaws343 wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

There must be an effect from another set we're not seeing that's spiking the source damage or target's resist.

Or there's a bug in the calculation and this is not intended.

It was mentioned in a comment that the target was using the corrosive Ult, which gives them more resistance. So the set is working as intended, doing more damage the more resistance the target has.

I don't really see this as a problem. The target had high resistance from an ult, and they got punished for it.

Corrosive doesn't even give armor. In fact, the thing it *does* do would prevent this damage.

Smh

NeillMcAttack

Exactly, Corrosive is supposed to cap your damage taken at 3% of your max HP.

It doesn’t give you armor!

Edit: Saying that, it wouldn’t surprise me if Corrosive/Magma was coded to always grant the necessary armor on every attack to “cap” damage taken to be 3% of max HP.

OR, if the damage being capped on the DK didn’t mean the damage on those around him didn’t get the full effect.

Anyway, it is a strangely designed set, the wearer won’t feel as much damage because they have high resists, yet those around him will feel it. The opposite of stacking hp and resists so as not to be the guy that proves VD and kills everyone around you.

VaranisArano

Why did ZOS add those sets?

Because everything else ZOS has tried to nerf ballgroups has failed, usually making the ballgroups either stronger than opponents or just plain stronger.

And so ZOS tried to hand small scale and pug players a bunch of sets that are theoretically designed to destroy ballgroups...and is hoping and praying that the ball groups don't (predictably) use those sets to destroy their less organized opponents in turn.

Sorry, but BG balance took a back seat to the complaints of Cyrodiil players this time.

jaws343

FENGRUSH wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

There must be an effect from another set we're not seeing that's spiking the source damage or target's resist.

Or there's a bug in the calculation and this is not intended.

It was mentioned in a comment that the target was using the corrosive Ult, which gives them more resistance. So the set is working as intended, doing more damage the more resistance the target has.

I don't really see this as a problem. The target had high resistance from an ult, and they got punished for it.

Corrosive doesn't even give armor. In fact, the thing it *does* do would prevent this damage.

Smh

Ah, yeah. For some reason I was mixing it up with Berserker Rage effects.