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Anger stages of a Russian tank when rookie DD doesn't break free from Iceheart boss
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."
He tried to kick him only after that person called him an idiot though. That was the kick reason. Not the person being new. And no, not entitled to teach them either way. It is such a headache to teach potatoes, easier to just due it with the competent dd out of the 2 and call it a day. Watch and learn kind of thing?
He got called an idiot though because he didn't know he could be pulled in, most likely. He thought he was being allowed to join the group and then prevented from doing the bosses. At the very least that needs to be explained to new people aren't made to feel like garbage until the pull-in., The social norm is anything that actually negatively effects their gameplay experience if the person is new, with other mechanics just taken care of by everyone else during faster runs. At least that's from my experience. To me that's just basic human decency.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 30, 2021 2:36AM1 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."
He tried to kick him only after that person called him an idiot though. That was the kick reason. Not the person being new. And no, not entitled to teach them either way. It is such a headache to teach potatoes, easier to just due it with the competent dd out of the 2 and call it a day. Watch and learn kind of thing?
He got called an idiot though because he didn't know he could be pulled in, most likely. He thought he was being allowed to join the group and then prevented from doing the bosses. At the very least that needs to be explained to new people aren't made to feel like garbage until the pull-in., The social norm is anything that actually negatively effects their gameplay experience if the person is new, with other mechanics just taken care of by everyone else during faster runs. At least that's from my experience. To me that's just basic human decency.
They are yelling insults because THEY have no idea what is happening. The teleport thing happens in like 2-3 seconds after pull. Do you think it is a reasonable reaction of a completely normal non-toxic person to yell insults at people within literally a second after thing happening, when they have no clue how it works? And not apologize for being this rude a second later, when they see that no harm was done? Again, they were not doing anything else but moving towards boss, pull only made them appear at boss earlier. "Yeah I called people idiots, even tho I see they did nothing wrong, but I still think they are idiots".
Basic human decency to me is not calling people idiots when you yourself are inexperienced.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."
He tried to kick him only after that person called him an idiot though. That was the kick reason. Not the person being new. And no, not entitled to teach them either way. It is such a headache to teach potatoes, easier to just due it with the competent dd out of the 2 and call it a day. Watch and learn kind of thing?
He got called an idiot though because he didn't know he could be pulled in, most likely. He thought he was being allowed to join the group and then prevented from doing the bosses. At the very least that needs to be explained to new people aren't made to feel like garbage until the pull-in., The social norm is anything that actually negatively effects their gameplay experience if the person is new, with other mechanics just taken care of by everyone else during faster runs. At least that's from my experience. To me that's just basic human decency.
They are yelling insults because THEY have no idea what is happening.
They thought it did know how it works because all the training base game dungeons DO screw you over if this stunt is pulled. If a new player tries a dungeon, and you do something you know is considered not only rude but they will reasonably think it will screw them over, and you rudely don't say a word, you don't get to complain the person was rude back.
Neither of them apologized for their rudeness, and it was puller that was rude first. Newbie was reacting to the rudeness of the tank.
You warn new people or you wait.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 30, 2021 11:05AM1 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."
He tried to kick him only after that person called him an idiot though. That was the kick reason. Not the person being new. And no, not entitled to teach them either way. It is such a headache to teach potatoes, easier to just due it with the competent dd out of the 2 and call it a day. Watch and learn kind of thing?
He got called an idiot though because he didn't know he could be pulled in, most likely. He thought he was being allowed to join the group and then prevented from doing the bosses. At the very least that needs to be explained to new people aren't made to feel like garbage until the pull-in., The social norm is anything that actually negatively effects their gameplay experience if the person is new, with other mechanics just taken care of by everyone else during faster runs. At least that's from my experience. To me that's just basic human decency.
They are yelling insults because THEY have no idea what is happening.
They thought it did know how it works because all the training base game dungeons DO screw you over if this stunt is pulled. If a new player tries a dungeon, and you do something you know is considered not only rude but they will reasonably think it will screw them over, and you rudely don't say a word, you don't get to complain the person was rude back.
Neither of them apologized for their rudeness, and it was puller that was rude first. Newbie was reacting to the rudeness of the tank.
You warn new people or you wait.
1300-something CP is a newbie these days?
Pulling boss as a tank is NOT rude when no one would be locked out of fight. Pulling boss as DD is rude in any case.
This is efficient, time saving pull. No requests regarding pacing were made by anyone, no reason to be slow or not cast rapids. I cast rapids between fights on all characters, regardless of role, without having it slotted in fights. No reason not to give everyone free 45% move speed.
Imagine your FIRST and IMMIDIEATE reaction to unfamiliar situation is to instantly insult other people. Go ahead and pull the boss in SG and see how quickly it ports everyone in. Imagine it takes a person THIS LITTLE TIME to start throwing insults at people, without taking ANY time to assess situation or see where it is going. "IDK what is happening but you are IDIOTS"
Your own ignorance does not give you right to insult others. Boss ports are available in very old and free content, such as ICP, it is not an exclusive SG feature.
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."
He tried to kick him only after that person called him an idiot though. That was the kick reason. Not the person being new. And no, not entitled to teach them either way. It is such a headache to teach potatoes, easier to just due it with the competent dd out of the 2 and call it a day. Watch and learn kind of thing?
He got called an idiot though because he didn't know he could be pulled in, most likely. He thought he was being allowed to join the group and then prevented from doing the bosses. At the very least that needs to be explained to new people aren't made to feel like garbage until the pull-in., The social norm is anything that actually negatively effects their gameplay experience if the person is new, with other mechanics just taken care of by everyone else during faster runs. At least that's from my experience. To me that's just basic human decency.
They are yelling insults because THEY have no idea what is happening.
They thought it did know how it works because all the training base game dungeons DO screw you over if this stunt is pulled. If a new player tries a dungeon, and you do something you know is considered not only rude but they will reasonably think it will screw them over, and you rudely don't say a word, you don't get to complain the person was rude back.
Neither of them apologized for their rudeness, and it was puller that was rude first. Newbie was reacting to the rudeness of the tank.
You warn new people or you wait.
1300-something CP is a newbie these days?
Pulling boss as a tank is NOT rude when no one would be locked out of fight. Pulling boss as DD is rude in any case.
This is efficient, time saving pull. No requests regarding pacing were made by anyone, no reason to be slow or not cast rapids. I cast rapids between fights on all characters, regardless of role, without having it slotted in fights. No reason not to give everyone free 45% move speed.
Imagine your FIRST and IMMIDIEATE reaction to unfamiliar situation is to instantly insult other people. Go ahead and pull the boss in SG and see how quickly it ports everyone in. Imagine it takes a person THIS LITTLE TIME to start throwing insults at people, without taking ANY time to assess situation or see where it is going. "IDK what is happening but you are IDIOTS"
Your own ignorance does not give you right to insult others. Boss ports are available in very old and free content, such as ICP, it is not an exclusive SG feature.
Any cp level can be new to the content and he flat out told you he was, so yes, newbie.
A tank pulling when not everyone is there without warning to the newbie is rude, yes. That it saves time is immaterial to if it's rude.
His immediate reaction was a response to the fact that it's the minority of dungeons that work that way. Most dungeons you would have screwed him over, and expecting him to know that one won't when you know full well he's not been in that dungeon is unreasonable.
He responded the way many people would respond to someone starting a boss they can't do. I could go stealth to the last boss in FG1 before you're able to catch up and kill stuff without you. Your reaction to me doing that would probably be to think me an inconsiderate idiot.
You absolutely refuse to consider it from his POV, which was "This guy just screwed me over," and instead act like it's more likely it was his first dungeon ever rather than his first time in that dungeon. Which is not a fair assumption whatsoever.
"He thought he it worked like the vast majority of dungeons," is a far more likely, but then that would mean giving him a headsup would have been the polite thing to do and that tank is not entirely blameless.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 30, 2021 1:25PM1
