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Anger stages of a Russian tank when rookie DD doesn't break free from Iceheart boss
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waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
your first time in a dungeon shouldn't be on vet...especially if you don't even know how to break free8 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭.It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
If you chose to step into a random instead of a pre-made group of your own, then you will have to take into account that the likelihood of getting players like this is fairly high.
I have yet to step into a random myself when on my tanks, let alone on my healers, when this has not happened. There is almost always at least one player who is just clueless to everything the rest of us take for granted how to do.
So as a tank, I am not just there as a meat wall. I am there as a leader for my team, which by definition includes giving directions, most especially if someone doesn't understand basic mechanics.
If your way of dealing with them is to expect them to play as you do without a clue as to their capability, then at some point you are likely going to get the kind of response he received.
It is often "out of the kindness of our heart" that some of us choose not to respond like that ourselves. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be deserved.0 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
your first time in a dungeon shouldn't be on vet...especially if you don't even know how to break free
I was responding to someone describing a situation in normal Stone Garden, not a vet dungeon and not the break free situation of the original poster in the thread.0 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
I understand what you are saying, but I was NOT lead farming, I was doing one single normal pledge, which these days I only do if dungeon also has a lead I'd maybe like to get... sometime. Like, a lead is a possible bonus to that one dungeon run of the day.
Pledge day for dungeon is a pledge day. If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters.
I was not vote kicking because they were 5 seconds behind. I was not vote kicking because their damage was low. I was not vote kicking because they could not figure out obvious mechanics. I was vote kicking because they were RUDE to players that know exactly what they are doing and not harming anyone.
Do you think they had trash setup and boss setup that they wanted to switch between fights? Well they did not inform our completely random party beforehand. If I was stupid DD with no sustain who decided to pull dlc boss while tank was lagging behind with heavy armor that slows them down - I would be 100% IDIOT.
Person was pulled in a second after they insulted both support roles that were inside. We finished a boss fight. They did not even think to apologize. Like, they had whole long dlc boss fight to type something like "Oh I did not know dungeon works this way, as I said this, was my first time haha sorry xDDDd". They stayed silent as if it is cool to insult people for no reason.1 -
oldbobdude✭✭✭✭✭I don't see anything that looks like anger. No name calling or sarcasm. Just telling DD how to avoid mechanic. What's tank supposed to do?5 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
I understand what you are saying, but I was NOT lead farming, I was doing one single normal pledge, which these days I only do if dungeon also has a lead I'd maybe like to get... sometime. Like, a lead is a possible bonus to that one dungeon run of the day.
Pledge day for dungeon is a pledge day. If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters.
I was not vote kicking because they were 5 seconds behind. I was not vote kicking because their damage was low. I was not vote kicking because they could not figure out obvious mechanics. I was vote kicking because they were RUDE to players that know exactly what they are doing and not harming anyone.
Do you think they had trash setup and boss setup that they wanted to switch between fights? Well they did not inform our completely random party beforehand. If I was stupid DD with no sustain who decided to pull dlc boss while tank was lagging behind with heavy armor that slows them down - I would be 100% IDIOT.
Person was pulled in a second after they insulted both support roles that were inside. We finished a boss fight. They did not even think to apologize. Like, they had whole long dlc boss fight to type something like "Oh I did not know dungeon works this way, as I said this, was my first time haha sorry xDDDd". They stayed silent as if it is cool to insult people for no reason.
You say you were not lead farming, yet you stated the reason you chose to do the pledge for SG was because of the possibility of getting a lead.
You also stated that you were using rapids to get around faster and that you were wearing Fete. As a Tank.
"If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters."
You are aware then, that one can just as easily say that if the goal was to go in for a lead and use Fete to do it as fast as possible, it was not a great choice on your part to choose to do the dungeon in a random group?
I am not excusing the player's choice to call you an idiot. I am saying that it was clearly done for a reason: they had said it was their first time in there, yet you chose to rush ahead anyway. If they hurled out the insult at you before you even pulled them in and later didn't apologize, that tells me they were frustrated at the pace being set. The responsibility to acknowledge that is on you.0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
Having flashbacks to a pug I ran in Stonegarden where we had a werewolf tank that did not understand the second boss. Yeah, it drains your stamina, bud. Stop standing in the AOE0 -
waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oldbobdude wrote: »I don't see anything that looks like anger. No name calling or sarcasm. Just telling DD how to avoid mechanic. What's tank supposed to do?
apparently all caps = angry shout lol1 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
I understand what you are saying, but I was NOT lead farming, I was doing one single normal pledge, which these days I only do if dungeon also has a lead I'd maybe like to get... sometime. Like, a lead is a possible bonus to that one dungeon run of the day.
Pledge day for dungeon is a pledge day. If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters.
I was not vote kicking because they were 5 seconds behind. I was not vote kicking because their damage was low. I was not vote kicking because they could not figure out obvious mechanics. I was vote kicking because they were RUDE to players that know exactly what they are doing and not harming anyone.
Do you think they had trash setup and boss setup that they wanted to switch between fights? Well they did not inform our completely random party beforehand. If I was stupid DD with no sustain who decided to pull dlc boss while tank was lagging behind with heavy armor that slows them down - I would be 100% IDIOT.
Person was pulled in a second after they insulted both support roles that were inside. We finished a boss fight. They did not even think to apologize. Like, they had whole long dlc boss fight to type something like "Oh I did not know dungeon works this way, as I said this, was my first time haha sorry xDDDd". They stayed silent as if it is cool to insult people for no reason.
You say you were not lead farming, yet you stated the reason you chose to do the pledge for SG was because of the possibility of getting a lead.
You also stated that you were using rapids to get around faster and that you were wearing Fete. As a Tank.
"If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters."
You are aware then, that one can just as easily say that if the goal was to go in for a lead and use Fete to do it as fast as possible, it was not a great choice on your part to choose to do the dungeon in a random group?
I am not excusing the player's choice to call you an idiot. I am saying that it was clearly done for a reason: they had said it was their first time in there, yet you chose to rush ahead anyway. If they hurled out the insult at you before you even pulled them in and later didn't apologize, that tells me they were frustrated at the pace being set. The responsibility to acknowledge that is on you.
Lead farming implies doing same dungeon over and over until you get one. Doing dungeon once a month is not farming.
Rapids buffs whole group. I don't even have it slotted, I have addon that slots it for single use between fights, and then slots back original skill after cast.
Fete gives huge tri-stat buff in just one piece for basically free. If anyone can make use of huge entire tri-stat buff, it is a tank.
I did not skip any trash packs to rush into boss as soon as possible while ignoring everyone and everything. I got through every trash pack, pulled everything for nice stack, rooted and applied major breach to everything, while buffing group at the same time.
As presumably the only person in group who wears 7 heavy pieces, or at least the only person who should be wearing 7 heavy piece, I am the slowest one in group, or worst case scenario where every random wears 7 heavy pieces. as slow as everyone else.
If you think tank deserves a kick for pulling a boss as a tank, you can enjoy your fake tanks that wait for someone else to pull.1 -
OutLaw_Nynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is like when my co worker starts speaking Spanglish when they get upset, heh0 -
sharquez✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you slot purge in this fight no one has to break free, you just use purge when someone else gets picked up.8 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
I understand what you are saying, but I was NOT lead farming, I was doing one single normal pledge, which these days I only do if dungeon also has a lead I'd maybe like to get... sometime. Like, a lead is a possible bonus to that one dungeon run of the day.
Pledge day for dungeon is a pledge day. If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters.
I was not vote kicking because they were 5 seconds behind. I was not vote kicking because their damage was low. I was not vote kicking because they could not figure out obvious mechanics. I was vote kicking because they were RUDE to players that know exactly what they are doing and not harming anyone.
Do you think they had trash setup and boss setup that they wanted to switch between fights? Well they did not inform our completely random party beforehand. If I was stupid DD with no sustain who decided to pull dlc boss while tank was lagging behind with heavy armor that slows them down - I would be 100% IDIOT.
Person was pulled in a second after they insulted both support roles that were inside. We finished a boss fight. They did not even think to apologize. Like, they had whole long dlc boss fight to type something like "Oh I did not know dungeon works this way, as I said this, was my first time haha sorry xDDDd". They stayed silent as if it is cool to insult people for no reason.
You say you were not lead farming, yet you stated the reason you chose to do the pledge for SG was because of the possibility of getting a lead.
You also stated that you were using rapids to get around faster and that you were wearing Fete. As a Tank.
"If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters."
You are aware then, that one can just as easily say that if the goal was to go in for a lead and use Fete to do it as fast as possible, it was not a great choice on your part to choose to do the dungeon in a random group?
I am not excusing the player's choice to call you an idiot. I am saying that it was clearly done for a reason: they had said it was their first time in there, yet you chose to rush ahead anyway. If they hurled out the insult at you before you even pulled them in and later didn't apologize, that tells me they were frustrated at the pace being set. The responsibility to acknowledge that is on you.
Lead farming implies doing same dungeon over and over until you get one. Doing dungeon once a month is not farming.
Rapids buffs whole group. I don't even have it slotted, I have addon that slots it for single use between fights, and then slots back original skill after cast.
Fete gives huge tri-stat buff in just one piece for basically free. If anyone can make use of huge entire tri-stat buff, it is a tank.
I did not skip any trash packs to rush into boss as soon as possible while ignoring everyone and everything. I got through every trash pack, pulled everything for nice stack, rooted and applied major breach to everything, while buffing group at the same time.
As presumably the only person in group who wears 7 heavy pieces, or at least the only person who should be wearing 7 heavy piece, I am the slowest one in group, or worst case scenario where every random wears 7 heavy pieces. as slow as everyone else.
If you think tank deserves a kick for pulling a boss as a tank, you can enjoy your fake tanks that wait for someone else to pull.
You stated clearly what your reason was for going in to begin with, which was for the lead. You explained you chose to force pull both dds into the room for boss fight.
Will stand by what I said.
As for enjoying fake tanks, that is a non-issue as I have my own to use whenever I want one. Enjoy your randoms.0 -
cyclonus11✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I understand the frustration. Had 2 DDs in vWS2 who absolutely would NOT interact with the altars during the harvester boss's pin phase no matter how much the tank (me) or the healer were screaming at them. Had to wipe 3 times before the boss chose the DDs for the pin.1 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
I understand what you are saying, but I was NOT lead farming, I was doing one single normal pledge, which these days I only do if dungeon also has a lead I'd maybe like to get... sometime. Like, a lead is a possible bonus to that one dungeon run of the day.
Pledge day for dungeon is a pledge day. If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters.
I was not vote kicking because they were 5 seconds behind. I was not vote kicking because their damage was low. I was not vote kicking because they could not figure out obvious mechanics. I was vote kicking because they were RUDE to players that know exactly what they are doing and not harming anyone.
Do you think they had trash setup and boss setup that they wanted to switch between fights? Well they did not inform our completely random party beforehand. If I was stupid DD with no sustain who decided to pull dlc boss while tank was lagging behind with heavy armor that slows them down - I would be 100% IDIOT.
Person was pulled in a second after they insulted both support roles that were inside. We finished a boss fight. They did not even think to apologize. Like, they had whole long dlc boss fight to type something like "Oh I did not know dungeon works this way, as I said this, was my first time haha sorry xDDDd". They stayed silent as if it is cool to insult people for no reason.
You say you were not lead farming, yet you stated the reason you chose to do the pledge for SG was because of the possibility of getting a lead.
You also stated that you were using rapids to get around faster and that you were wearing Fete. As a Tank.
"If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters."
You are aware then, that one can just as easily say that if the goal was to go in for a lead and use Fete to do it as fast as possible, it was not a great choice on your part to choose to do the dungeon in a random group?
I am not excusing the player's choice to call you an idiot. I am saying that it was clearly done for a reason: they had said it was their first time in there, yet you chose to rush ahead anyway. If they hurled out the insult at you before you even pulled them in and later didn't apologize, that tells me they were frustrated at the pace being set. The responsibility to acknowledge that is on you.
Lead farming implies doing same dungeon over and over until you get one. Doing dungeon once a month is not farming.
Rapids buffs whole group. I don't even have it slotted, I have addon that slots it for single use between fights, and then slots back original skill after cast.
Fete gives huge tri-stat buff in just one piece for basically free. If anyone can make use of huge entire tri-stat buff, it is a tank.
I did not skip any trash packs to rush into boss as soon as possible while ignoring everyone and everything. I got through every trash pack, pulled everything for nice stack, rooted and applied major breach to everything, while buffing group at the same time.
As presumably the only person in group who wears 7 heavy pieces, or at least the only person who should be wearing 7 heavy piece, I am the slowest one in group, or worst case scenario where every random wears 7 heavy pieces. as slow as everyone else.
If you think tank deserves a kick for pulling a boss as a tank, you can enjoy your fake tanks that wait for someone else to pull.
You stated clearly what your reason was for going in to begin with, which was for the lead. You explained you chose to force pull both dds into the room for boss fight.
Will stand by what I said.
As for enjoying fake tanks, that is a non-issue as I have my own to use whenever I want one. Enjoy your randoms.
So, having a reason for doing a dungeon makes you an idiot? Ok then.2 -
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It can be a bit laggy however and the player might be low on stamina. Remember having an hard time there the first time in vet.This russian said in cyrillic to spam LMB + RMB when boss uses beam. As far as i know break free is RMB + LMB, and does not require spam.
Agree, now he could explained the mechanic a bit better, and its not an fight you want to run out of stamina on, better to do some HA than not being able to break free, but I play lots of healer and DD/ heal there you need to have ready resources.oldbobdude wrote: »I don't see anything that looks like anger. No name calling or sarcasm. Just telling DD how to avoid mechanic. What's tank supposed to do?
But the DD did not respond, good chance he did not have chat up at all.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Shazanti✭✭✭I must admit to being rather petrified of doing dungeons.
I did many of them, years ago. Not enough to even come close to memorizing them, but I did several dungeons, many more than once. Many vet level dungeons, too. But, again, this was years ago.
Then I quit the game for a few years. Now I'm back. I'm nearly 900CP, and I'm too nervous to go into any dungeon now. Yes, I know how to break free, I know basic mechanics, but I don't know the dungeons. If years ago I was often left in the dust by players who had the dungeon memorized, I'm only wondering how badly I'd be running around confused now, with all the new DLC dungeons added to the mix. Part of my hesitancy is I keep thinking "they'll see my CP level and think I know what to do" when... I probably don't. I don't have the experience. Would my DDs wind up being nothing more than paste on the ground? Would my healer be condemned as fake? Heck, would even my DDs be condemned as fake? I have precious little dungeon gear. I'm rocking overland and crafted sets.
I do enjoy the game, outside of the dungeons. I would like to experience them though. I just can't help but feeling like my level tag is boasting about knowledge, experience, and gear that I don't have.
Note: I'm not taking the side of the DD in the OP. I just see stuff like this, and I think to myself "please let me do better than that whenever I stick my nose in a dungeon again."3 -
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✭My view is, to the guy doing Stone Garden (i.e. NOT the original poster): If you race ahead and force-teleport players into a boss fight, you're being selfish. You should wait for the group. Force-teleporting people into a fight should be a mechanic ONLY for avoiding actual glitches like "the door won't actually let people through even though they're trying". Sometimes people want to loot corpses, to open chests (especially if they spotted a chest that you missed, and called it out and you missed the call-out) - or go hit a lorebook. Which doesn't take more than a few seconds.
But YOU ARE NOT DOING PEOPLE A FAVOUR by doing something that teleports them into a fight. You are taking them away from something they might be doing - however legitimate or illegitimate - and you are disorienting them. If you pug, YOU STAY WITH THE GROUP or you actually call out IN CHAT for them to follow, and if they cannot run as fast as you (e.g. if they don't have as many speed bonuses, or are short of stamina and cannot sprint all the time), YOU WAIT FOR THEM. Even if you are the tank. Tank should be in the lead, but should not run so far ahead that people have to be teleported into the fight, if you run that far ahead then YOU are doing wrong because dungeons are a group activity, not a solo activity.2 -
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✭I must admit to being rather petrified of doing dungeons.
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I'm nearly 900CP, and I'm too nervous to go into any dungeon now. Yes, I know how to break free, I know basic mechanics, but I don't know the dungeons. If years ago I was often left in the dust by players who had the dungeon memorized, I'm only wondering how badly I'd be running around confused now, with all the new DLC dungeons added to the mix.
I'm in the same boat, more or less. I have around 800 CP but the only dungeons I've done have been those I could duo with my boyfriend, mostly on Normal. I've never touched the DLC dungeons and I'd be terrified of doing that now - going into a dungeon and fronting up to the rest of the group that I don't know the mechanics, I don't have min-maxed gear (since...I don't do dungeons!) and I know my rotation/mechanics but my reflexes just aren't that great so I'm kinda slow and sometimes mess it up, especially when I'm nervous. I'm afraid I'd just be laughed out of the group or at best completely ignored while they raced ahead.
[The Beauty of Tamriel] My collection of ESO screenshots
Show me a completely smooth operation and I'll show you someone who's covering mistakes. Real boats rock.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭.It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
If you chose to step into a random instead of a pre-made group of your own, then you will have to take into account that the likelihood of getting players like this is fairly high.
I have yet to step into a random myself when on my tanks, let alone on my healers, when this has not happened. There is almost always at least one player who is just clueless to everything the rest of us take for granted how to do.
So as a tank, I am not just there as a meat wall. I am there as a leader for my team, which by definition includes giving directions, most especially if someone doesn't understand basic mechanics.
If your way of dealing with them is to expect them to play as you do without a clue as to their capability, then at some point you are likely going to get the kind of response he received.
It is often "out of the kindness of our heart" that some of us choose not to respond like that ourselves. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be deserved.
1. I am taking into account. Still. I am not obligated to teach anyone anything in group finder, the same way they are not obligated to stay in group with me.
2. Yes clueless players exist. But I don't think that the "rest of us taking it for granted has anything to do with the situation we discussed. If he is a dd, in a dlc dungeon, and he doesn't know the standard don't stand in damage, this guy has nothing to search there. It is mechanical experience he is lacking, and he is an a-hole for queuing as a carry in a dlc dungeon if this is a minimum he can't comprehend.
3. You are right about the tank's responsibility not being only a meat shield (or a buff bot for that matter) Leading the group is not the tanks responsibility either though. Engaging first is. Controlling the battlefield is. Don't push responsibilities that are not the tanks on him, this is the exact entitlement that reduces responsibility from other roles and allows fake dds feel good about themselves for doing nothing.
4. Again, not as play as I do, as I mentioned in 2, of he can't even not stand in stupid, he is searching to get carried, not to learn mechanics. PS. Don't expect anyone else to play like you do either.
5. No. Not calling people names, is not kindness. It is basic manners. Same way not mugging people, or brutally murdering them, is not kindness, but lack of savagery. Nothing excuses calling strangers names. And I don't care that pulling boss fast grinds your gears. People can be polite about it and not be an a-holes, and start calling people names.Edited by zvavi on July 30, 2021 12:13AM1 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭.It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
If you chose to step into a random instead of a pre-made group of your own, then you will have to take into account that the likelihood of getting players like this is fairly high.
I have yet to step into a random myself when on my tanks, let alone on my healers, when this has not happened. There is almost always at least one player who is just clueless to everything the rest of us take for granted how to do.
So as a tank, I am not just there as a meat wall. I am there as a leader for my team, which by definition includes giving directions, most especially if someone doesn't understand basic mechanics.
If your way of dealing with them is to expect them to play as you do without a clue as to their capability, then at some point you are likely going to get the kind of response he received.
It is often "out of the kindness of our heart" that some of us choose not to respond like that ourselves. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be deserved.
1. I am taking into account. Still. I am not obligated to teach anyone anything in group finder, the same way they are not obligated to stay in group with me.
2. Yes clueless players exist. But I don't think that the "rest of us taking it for granted has anything to do with the situation we discussed. If he is a dd, in a vet dlc dungeon, and he doesn't know the standard don't stand in damage, this guy has nothing to search there. It is mechanical experience he is lacking, and he is an a-hole for queuing as a carry in a dlc dungeon if this is a minimum he can't comprehend.
3. You are right about the tank's responsibility not being only a meat shield (or a buff bot for that matter) Leading the group is not the tanks responsibility either though. Engaging first is. Controlling the battlefield is. Don't push responsibilities that are not the tanks on him, this is the exact entitlement that reduces responsibility from other roles and allows fake dds feel good about themselves for doing nothing.
4. Again, not as play as I do, as I mentioned in 2, of he can't even not stand in stupid, he is searching to get carried, not to learn mechanics. PS. Don't expect anyone else to play like you do either.
5. No. Not calling people names, is not kindness. It is basic manners. Same way not mugging people, or brutally murdering them, is not kindness, but lack of savagery. Nothing excuses calling strangers names. And I don't care that pulling boss fast grinds your gears. People can be polite about it and not be an a-holes, and start calling people names.
My posts here were not regarding the OP thread, its situation, or the dd in it; what I was addressing also did not take place in a vet dungeon. Moving on and not responding further. Good luck with your groups.Edited by Soulshine on July 30, 2021 12:05AM0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭.It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
If you chose to step into a random instead of a pre-made group of your own, then you will have to take into account that the likelihood of getting players like this is fairly high.
I have yet to step into a random myself when on my tanks, let alone on my healers, when this has not happened. There is almost always at least one player who is just clueless to everything the rest of us take for granted how to do.
So as a tank, I am not just there as a meat wall. I am there as a leader for my team, which by definition includes giving directions, most especially if someone doesn't understand basic mechanics.
If your way of dealing with them is to expect them to play as you do without a clue as to their capability, then at some point you are likely going to get the kind of response he received.
It is often "out of the kindness of our heart" that some of us choose not to respond like that ourselves. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be deserved.
1. I am taking into account. Still. I am not obligated to teach anyone anything in group finder, the same way they are not obligated to stay in group with me.
2. Yes clueless players exist. But I don't think that the "rest of us taking it for granted has anything to do with the situation we discussed. If he is a dd, in a vet dlc dungeon, and he doesn't know the standard don't stand in damage, this guy has nothing to search there. It is mechanical experience he is lacking, and he is an a-hole for queuing as a carry in a dlc dungeon if this is a minimum he can't comprehend.
3. You are right about the tank's responsibility not being only a meat shield (or a buff bot for that matter) Leading the group is not the tanks responsibility either though. Engaging first is. Controlling the battlefield is. Don't push responsibilities that are not the tanks on him, this is the exact entitlement that reduces responsibility from other roles and allows fake dds feel good about themselves for doing nothing.
4. Again, not as play as I do, as I mentioned in 2, of he can't even not stand in stupid, he is searching to get carried, not to learn mechanics. PS. Don't expect anyone else to play like you do either.
5. No. Not calling people names, is not kindness. It is basic manners. Same way not mugging people, or brutally murdering them, is not kindness, but lack of savagery. Nothing excuses calling strangers names. And I don't care that pulling boss fast grinds your gears. People can be polite about it and not be an a-holes, and start calling people names.
My posts here were not regarding the OP thread, its situation, or the dd in it; what I was addressing also did not take place in a vet dungeon. Moving on and not responding further. Good luck with your groups.
Good luck with your groups too
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✭✭✭✭✭The first boss in Arx Corinium can be another fun one. I was healing and we were really short on DPS. I told one to not stand in the poison because it heals the snake. They said no they watched a video and you can just stand there and burn the snake down real quick. I told them our group couldn't do that. We couldn't and the DPS finally got out of the poison and things went much better.
We didn't finish the dungeon but it was still fun and one of the DPS said it was the farthest he had gotten so far.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Heh, "Don't res".
It's a totally valid tactic sometimes. I've done it in Crypt of Hearts 1, actually. Normal difficulty, but the two DDs were doing less damage that me on my full tank and a real healer. So after they wiped us several times by rolling on top of us in the final fight, the healer and I left them dead and finished the fight ourselves.
If you won't follow mechanics after they've been explained and it's causing problems for your teammates, sometimes staying dead is the most helpful thing you can do for your group.
I did this once to an entire team. The two dps didn't like it. The tank actually flat out called me a bad a....let's go with he called me an awesome fetcher. Although he had died because of the two dps, he didn't mind staying dead if meant they couldn't keep causing wipes.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 30, 2021 1:40AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭oldbobdude wrote: »I don't see anything that looks like anger. No name calling or sarcasm. Just telling DD how to avoid mechanic. What's tank supposed to do?
I think it comes off angry because of that media trope (that's honestly based a little on truth) where someone who doesn't speak English as a first language reverts to their mother tongue when they are REALLY mad.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."Edited by spartaxoxo on July 30, 2021 1:45AM1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
I understand what you are saying, but I was NOT lead farming, I was doing one single normal pledge, which these days I only do if dungeon also has a lead I'd maybe like to get... sometime. Like, a lead is a possible bonus to that one dungeon run of the day.
Pledge day for dungeon is a pledge day. If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters.
I was not vote kicking because they were 5 seconds behind. I was not vote kicking because their damage was low. I was not vote kicking because they could not figure out obvious mechanics. I was vote kicking because they were RUDE to players that know exactly what they are doing and not harming anyone.
Do you think they had trash setup and boss setup that they wanted to switch between fights? Well they did not inform our completely random party beforehand. If I was stupid DD with no sustain who decided to pull dlc boss while tank was lagging behind with heavy armor that slows them down - I would be 100% IDIOT.
Person was pulled in a second after they insulted both support roles that were inside. We finished a boss fight. They did not even think to apologize. Like, they had whole long dlc boss fight to type something like "Oh I did not know dungeon works this way, as I said this, was my first time haha sorry xDDDd". They stayed silent as if it is cool to insult people for no reason.
You say you were not lead farming, yet you stated the reason you chose to do the pledge for SG was because of the possibility of getting a lead.
You also stated that you were using rapids to get around faster and that you were wearing Fete. As a Tank.
"If you decide to go story mode with three randoms on pledge day, it is not a great choice on your side. And most importantly, if YOU don't know mechanics and how dungeon works, don't call your teammates IDIOTS. With all capital letters."
You are aware then, that one can just as easily say that if the goal was to go in for a lead and use Fete to do it as fast as possible, it was not a great choice on your part to choose to do the dungeon in a random group?
I am not excusing the player's choice to call you an idiot. I am saying that it was clearly done for a reason: they had said it was their first time in there, yet you chose to rush ahead anyway. If they hurled out the insult at you before you even pulled them in and later didn't apologize, that tells me they were frustrated at the pace being set. The responsibility to acknowledge that is on you.
Lead farming implies doing same dungeon over and over until you get one. Doing dungeon once a month is not farming.
Rapids buffs whole group. I don't even have it slotted, I have addon that slots it for single use between fights, and then slots back original skill after cast.
Fete gives huge tri-stat buff in just one piece for basically free. If anyone can make use of huge entire tri-stat buff, it is a tank.
I did not skip any trash packs to rush into boss as soon as possible while ignoring everyone and everything. I got through every trash pack, pulled everything for nice stack, rooted and applied major breach to everything, while buffing group at the same time.
As presumably the only person in group who wears 7 heavy pieces, or at least the only person who should be wearing 7 heavy piece, I am the slowest one in group, or worst case scenario where every random wears 7 heavy pieces. as slow as everyone else.
If you think tank deserves a kick for pulling a boss as a tank, you can enjoy your fake tanks that wait for someone else to pull.
The reason this got the reputation for being disrespectful is because used to get shut out of fights entirely if people did this. So the social norm became that you wait for everyone to actually physically be there before starting the boss. This is still the case with base game dungeons. You knew it would pull him, but he didn't know that because it was first time there. He thought you were screwing him out of the boss, and still did not appreciate the violation of the social norm of dungeons. You should wait to pull, or just let anyone know if they say they're new that boss will pull them in when boss starts.
You were both rude imo, though not enough I'd accept a vote kick for either of you tbh.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 30, 2021 1:51AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It would be more tolerable, if the new player would tell they haven't been into the particular dungeon before. It means they are willing to learn.
Funny, yesterday I wanted to tank DLC normal Stone Garden pledge, just to maybe get a lead to that huge furniture thingy.
I've been to dungeon many times before, including vet, so I know how it works.
It starts with a high CP (1300) guy telling everyone that it is they first time here. Cool. Good to know.
Next thing that comes out of their virtual mouth, quote: "IDIOTS"
Why? Because I know dungeon mechanics, and I, a tank, pulled first boss before both DDs were in the room, knowing that they will be ported in sooner than they will physically reach the room. It takes like what, two seconds? So, the guy who never was here spent those two seconds were well, by insulting players who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately, vote kick did not pass, so I had to abandon dungeon myself. Not playing with THAT kind of gamer.
I was using rapids to get around faster and lose as little stacks of death dealer fete as possible.
As a tank in a dungeon, a real tank, it is part of your role to set the pace and lead.
When you have someone in the team whether 5 cps or 1500cps who said it is their first time in the dungeon, you have some responsibility to teach mechanics whenever possible, let alone in a DLC dungeon.
Using the dungeon feature to pull team members into a boss fight when they are not ready, let alone when they have never even seen it before is not only inappropriate it's downright rude.
Stone Garden even on normal does require executing mechanics to get through without wipes and wasting the time you hold so precious, so if you intended to rush everyone through it just for your lead farming you should have organized a group for this purpose.
A vote kick in this instance, was not a correct choice on your part - but I daresay it might have been appropriate on theirs.
What? The first boss is literally "don't stand in aoe". And interrupt. And I have had 100% uptime interrupting on tank in HM, which means for dds, it is literally standard mechanics. I am very sorry, but don't stand in stupid is a standard knowledge. While he might have been lazy on explaining the fight anyways a bit, he didn't owe that random dude to teach him mechs one bit. The other dude is not entitled to be taught. It is something we sometimes do out of the kindness of our heart. On the other hand, cursing in chat, at your teammates, is wrong. And I wouldn't want to run with anyone that thinks it is ok.
When someone says "I am new," and you don't kick them, I do think they are entitled to you teaching them. By continuing to run with them, I feel it's your tacit agreement to dealing with all the baggage that comes with running with someone new. A quick explanation would have been more appropriate. "This boss has no special mechanics you gotta worry about, just don't stand in stupid. Don't worry the fight is gonna pull you in when I start since you're not here yet."
He tried to kick him only after that person called him an idiot though. That was the kick reason. Not the person being new. And no, not entitled to teach them either way. It is such a headache to teach potatoes, easier to just due it with the competent dd out of the 2 and call it a day. Watch and learn kind of thing?Edited by zvavi on July 30, 2021 2:04AM0
