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The Ancestral Motifs are officially out of hand.
B0SSzombie
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So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on April 11, 2022 8:16PM Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Treasure maps for a new chapter used to be common. Since motifs got tied to them, they have become rare.17 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I see them as a long term goal. Not a must have in month 1. I look for deals in traders for both the maps and the motifs and I don't worry about how long it will take because literally nothing is riding on completing it right away.14 -
Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I've only collected 3 of the Reach ones. Needed 2 of them for big writs. Bought them for under 50k. Dug up the other. Not paying those high prices. Will treat Akavari the same.1 -
B0SSzombie✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see them as a long term goal. Not a must have in month 1. I look for deals in traders for both the maps and the motifs and I don't worry about how long it will take because literally nothing is riding on completing it right away.
You think a MONTH isn't a reasonable amount of time to be able to get something in a game??
A Month? As in 30 Days? In a Video Game?
You're not grinding for Emperor here. You're collecting sheets of paper that let you make some Snake-Samurai Cosmetics.
It's fine and dandy that it's not something you care about. But what about people who DO want the motif?Edited by B0SSzombie on June 23, 2021 3:59AM23 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭B0SSzombie wrote: »I see them as a long term goal. Not a must have in month 1. I look for deals in traders for both the maps and the motifs and I don't worry about how long it will take because literally nothing is riding on completing it right away.
You think a MONTH isn't a reasonable amount of time to be able to get something in a game??
A Month? As in 30 Days? In a Video Game?
You're not grinding for Emperor here. You're collecting sheets of paper that let you make some Snake-Samurai Cosmetics.
It's fine and dandy that it's not something you care about. But what about people who DO want the motif?
A month in a game that has literally a half a decade worth of content. We aren't talking about a game you knock out in 6 months and move in. It literally takes half a year to level your mount and even longer to become a master crafter. 1 month or more to collect a rare motif is nothing.12 -
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✭What motifs? Ancestral Akaviri and Reach don't exist /s
OK, they do, but they are absolutely not worth the hassle7 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I see them as a long term goal. Not a must have in month 1. I look for deals in traders for both the maps and the motifs and I don't worry about how long it will take because literally nothing is riding on completing it right away.
TBH I just don't see how remastered motifs we've had since release should be this rare.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.14 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So glad I gave up collecting motifs after xivkyn/mercenary lol.
Anything I get just gets sold.2 -
trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
Militant Ordinator costs 4 million plus AP, doesn’t drop in event coffers and even with an AP-to-Gold conversion if you find a PvP seller it’s crazy high. God forbid you don’t PVP.
Buoyant Arminger pieces cost 200-600k regularly when they were introduced and for years after due to rarity. Sure you could farm them yourself but the rate was poor for everyone.
Assassin League and a bunch of DLC motifs used to drop far more often. Now they’re no longer in the crown store and the drop rate has been nerfed to very rare.
4 years later, Fang Lair Chests still sell for hundreds of thousands.
The point is it’s all relative and the OP’s complaint about prices is more of an indictment of greed on motif hunters than the developers. I mean where is the equal rage for people buying these zone maps for relatively cheap? They’re the ones jacking up the prices on the secondhand market really causing your frustration. Go after them.1 -
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✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
The point is it’s all relative and the OP’s complaint about prices is more of an indictment of greed on motif hunters than the developers. I mean where is the equal rage for people buying these zone maps for relatively cheap? They’re the ones jacking up the prices on the secondhand market really causing your frustration. Go after them.
Or... Just make the motifs reasonable to obtain and there won't BE a secondhand market.
You're telling me to blame the farmer when the Tree is growing rotten apples.
It's misdirected notions like this that let the Devs get away with making motif sources completely unreasonable.12 -
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✭The problem is that even when you do a treasure map in the appropriate area (say east march treasure map, if you are farming for ancestral Nord motif), you only have a "chance" to get a lead for the ancestral nord motif. In reality, you end up doing 7-8 EP maps or more before you get a lead, and you've got to be lucky enough to get a lead for one you don't already have...
Seriously, the drop rate for the lead is way too freaking low. It should be at least 1/3 or 1/2 chance to have the lead, or make the lead super rare but make it contain the whole book. One or the other. Right now, its an exercise in frustration trying to actually get this stuff.10 -
Amerises✭✭✭✭B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
I dunno, do you want to spend $60 on an mmo you can 100% complete in a month of regular playing? I sure don't...4 -
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✭B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
I dunno, do you want to spend $60 on an mmo you can 100% complete in a month of regular playing? I sure don't...
Yes, because comparing a cosmetic item with some crafting value to beating all Veteran Trials with Trifectas is a reasonable concept.
I'm really getting the game "100% complete" by asking for a grind to be even the slightest bit reasonable...8 -
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It is called artificially prolonging but yea you are on the right track.B0SSzombie wrote: »I see them as a long term goal. Not a must have in month 1. I look for deals in traders for both the maps and the motifs and I don't worry about how long it will take because literally nothing is riding on completing it right away.
You think a MONTH isn't a reasonable amount of time to be able to get something in a game??
A Month? As in 30 Days? In a Video Game?
You're not grinding for Emperor here. You're collecting sheets of paper that let you make some Snake-Samurai Cosmetics.
It's fine and dandy that it's not something you care about. But what about people who DO want the motif?
A month in a game that has literally a half a decade worth of content. We aren't talking about a game you knock out in 6 months and move in. It literally takes half a year to level your mount and even longer to become a master crafter. 1 month or more to collect a rare motif is nothing.
Elder Kings II is a Role Playing Elder Scrolls mod for Crusader Kings III.0 -
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✭B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
Don't forget tho, Ancestral Reach ones also dropped from maps that were already in the game. People weren't waiting for maps to the new zone to drop first, they were collecting them from day one so it's not quite the same situation.PS4 EU0 -
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✭✭I don't know how it is with Blackwood motif, but with Markarath one leads should drop also from doing antuiquities in zone and this never worked. I think if that would work, there will be no big problem with this (because you can grind and grind leads). So there is no need to change anything, just fix the game :PPC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton4 -
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✭I feel the same way about the monster set style pages.
Only available for a month, with an abysmally low drop rate. It's absolutely ridiculous.2 -
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✭B0SSzombie wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
The point is it’s all relative and the OP’s complaint about prices is more of an indictment of greed on motif hunters than the developers. I mean where is the equal rage for people buying these zone maps for relatively cheap? They’re the ones jacking up the prices on the secondhand market really causing your frustration. Go after them.
Or... Just make the motifs reasonable to obtain and there won't BE a secondhand market.
You're telling me to blame the farmer when the Tree is growing rotten apples.
It's misdirected notions like this that let the Devs get away with making motif sources completely unreasonable.
The tree is bearing fruit. The unscrupulous farmers are out there buying up maps for cheap so you can’t get them, doing them, and selling the motifs for insane amounts. They cut off your supply because they had the means, and then leveraged your nonsensical demand to artificially increase prices to stupid levels which people then buy.
Sounds a lot like PS5, Graphic Cards, Toilet Paper, and virtually every other good for the last year in real life.
But yeah blame ZOS for not letting motif leads drop enough and not the resellers who are literally scalping motifs and gouging you because you refuse to actually be patient.3 -
cmetzger93✭✭✭✭✭Yes the ancestral motifs have been by and large the worst aspects of the past 2 zones (Reach and Blackwood) impossible to farm and an RNG nightmare. Hopefully they add a way to reliably farm treasure maps or at the very least add them to the crown store.4 -
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✭cmetzger93 wrote: »Yes the ancestral motifs have been by and large the worst aspects of the past 2 zones (Reach and Blackwood) impossible to farm and an RNG nightmare. Hopefully they add a way to reliably farm treasure maps or at the very least add them to the crown store.
So here's something:
http://esolog.uesp.net/viewlog.php?action=view&record=minedItemSummary&id=104515
Recently added to the game files was a Crown Store entry for Ancestral Reach. The 3 Ancestral styles from Greymoor are also in the game data.
I'm guessing ZOS fully intends to add them to the Crown Store, and are probably just waiting a bit, like they do with Trial motifs, so the contrarians and nay-sayers don't whine as much.
Knowing they'll most likely be available down the road makes me much happier, especially when I think about how I could spend 5,000 Crowns/500,000 Gold (exchange rate on PlayStation NA) on a full motif, instead of 6-8 Million Gold.3 -
Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭I don’t care about prices. They sell for what people will pay and being newer they are going to go for more.
That being said. The MEANS that they are gotten are beyond absurd.3 -
ajkb78✭✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »B0SSzombie wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
The point is it’s all relative and the OP’s complaint about prices is more of an indictment of greed on motif hunters than the developers. I mean where is the equal rage for people buying these zone maps for relatively cheap? They’re the ones jacking up the prices on the secondhand market really causing your frustration. Go after them.
Or... Just make the motifs reasonable to obtain and there won't BE a secondhand market.
You're telling me to blame the farmer when the Tree is growing rotten apples.
It's misdirected notions like this that let the Devs get away with making motif sources completely unreasonable.
The tree is bearing fruit. The unscrupulous farmers are out there buying up maps for cheap so you can’t get them, doing them, and selling the motifs for insane amounts. They cut off your supply because they had the means, and then leveraged your nonsensical demand to artificially increase prices to stupid levels which people then buy.
Well if that's true then the maps must be available to buy cheap, so buy them yourself and get farming. Farmers don't have some magical supply of cheap maps that aren't available to anyone else. And if you get duplicates, sell them for the same crazy prices and use the profits to buy the pages you don't have.
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Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭This wouldn’t be an issue if treasure maps dropped for their respective zones. For example of greymoor treasure maps would be awarded for loot in greymoor.5
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webgeo99✭✭That is bad. But consider all the greedy Aholes that are selling basic default companion gear for 5k each?!0
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SerraKBella✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »This wouldn’t be an issue if treasure maps dropped for their respective zones. For example of greymoor treasure maps would be awarded for loot in greymoor.
So true! If we could have a reliable way to farm zone specific treasure maps - it would definitely help give us a fighting chance at getting these leads.
The first three Ancestral motifs are at least broken up into several zones, so if you are missing a specific one you have a better chance at getting the right lead. Then the Ancestral Reach ones came out and all 14 were in the same zone - so now you have a 1/14 RNG chance at getting the right one. But with those the game/market was flooded with skyrim/blackreach maps (before everyone bought them up) so it was still doable. The Ancestral Akaviri seem much harder to get right now, becasue of lack of blackwood treasure maps. I have yet to get a blackwood treasure map - which brings me back to my point - if there was a reliable way to farm zone specific treasure maps - I could spent my time farming those areas (however long it took).
I really wish ZOS would re-think this way of acquiring these leads for these Ancestral motifs (especially having a 1/14 chance for the whole area - making getting the last couple of pages needed way harder this way).4 -
ZigoSid✭✭✭✭Got only 2 leads for Ancestral Reach, after ~8 - 10 maps in 4 months.
And it was chests the 2 times. Ty for this awesome mechanic
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✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »B0SSzombie wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »B0SSzombie wrote: »So Blackwood has been out for about a month now. Ancestral Akaviri motif pages are going for anywhere from 400,000 to 800,000 Gold, with things like Chests going for double that easily.
Even Ancestral Reach wasn't this bad a month out from release. I can't think of a Motif that's been around for a month and had insane prices like this. Maybe Buoyant Armiger?
But over 6 MILLION Gold to complete a Motif is completely insane.
Either make the damn Ancestral Motifs reasonable to collect or just add them to the Crown Store.
This is not sustainable going forward, especially since it seems like sticking to this AWFUL system of obtaining them is the plan, and there's still 3 more Ancestral Motifs in the game data not released (Breton, Imperial, Daedric) plus another 5 at least planned (Argonian, Dark Elf, Khajiit, Redguard, Wood Elf) and they're likely to be as bad, if not somehow MORE worse, to obtain.
The point is it’s all relative and the OP’s complaint about prices is more of an indictment of greed on motif hunters than the developers. I mean where is the equal rage for people buying these zone maps for relatively cheap? They’re the ones jacking up the prices on the secondhand market really causing your frustration. Go after them.
Or... Just make the motifs reasonable to obtain and there won't BE a secondhand market.
You're telling me to blame the farmer when the Tree is growing rotten apples.
It's misdirected notions like this that let the Devs get away with making motif sources completely unreasonable.
The tree is bearing fruit. The unscrupulous farmers are out there buying up maps for cheap so you can’t get them, doing them, and selling the motifs for insane amounts. They cut off your supply because they had the means, and then leveraged your nonsensical demand to artificially increase prices to stupid levels which people then buy.
Well if that's true then the maps must be available to buy cheap, so buy them yourself and get farming. Farmers don't have some magical supply of cheap maps that aren't available to anyone else. And if you get duplicates, sell them for the same crazy prices and use the profits to buy the pages you don't have.
Farmers do just like they do for cheap mats. They post in zone chat “buying Reach/Western Skyrim/Blackreach/Blackwood maps, 5k each”. And they get them just like uninformed players sell them Aetherial dust for 25k.
And of course they use the maps, get the motifs, and put them up for crazy prices. The motifs are out there, just dominated by as I said unscrupulous but savvy individuals who know they will make back what they sink into maps 10 fold buy selling to desperate players.
Again the fault isn’t with ZOS, it’s with these individuals who have literally edged you out of getting maps beyond those you find yourself.0
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