MagBlade Bombers WTF!?!?!

YandereGirlfriend

LightYagami wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It would be OP if they could do other things, but it isn't.

They can literally take out a large portion of the enemy turning the tides of a battle, and receive a massive amount of AP for a quick blast from the shadows. I'm not sure how that isn't OP.

Because a single DK leaping on enemies with or without proxy can do the same thing, or a sorc streaking into the enemy with proxy, etc. it's not as unique as people are thinking.

The general problem is that damage is too high -- well at least if you aren't running % reduction or stacking resistances with gaze and pariah.

DK leap is their ultimate.
You're comparing the ultimate to spammable skills.

The combo is Tether -> Proxy -> Sap Essence so magBlade bombers are actually using their ultimate as well.

Only a super squishy group is getting killed by only a Proxy (and in that case they probably deserve the chastening).

LightYagami

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

I never really saw the problem with this. It's easy to avoid getting bombed. It's even easy to snuff out bombers if you know how to do so. I've been playing Cyro on the regular for a year and I can count the times I got bombed on one hand, and even in those cases it was mostly my own fault.

Which server do you usually play? If you usually play in PCNA Grayhost, I think bombers should be way more than what you stated.

I used to play on Ravenwatch EU up until recently, but made the switch to Gray Host (EU) this week.

Funnily enough, I did end up getting bombed twice since I posted that on the Gray Host server; the first time I was hunting the bomber but screwed up and found myself in the blast radius while chasing them. The second time was a bomber specifically chasing me down, using their entire combo just on me and teabagging me for 15 seconds because I kept thwarting his bombing attempts.

As a Magblade I might often find myself outside of the usual bombing radius but the point is still that bombers are so easy to counter once you divert any sort of attention to it, that I don't think it's something worth being too frustrated over.

"As a Magblade"

Yep, and I used to play a Magsorc for months with nearly identical results v bombers.

Anyway, I played this class, I played that class, but at the end of the day, AS A MAGBLABE, I don't think there's any problem with magblade bombers.

My viewpoints and experiences regarding bombers have remained the same regardless of which class I played, so to attribute them to the fact that I play a magblade now is misrepresenting what I said.

Your view point is great, dear magblade.

LightYagami

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It would be OP if they could do other things, but it isn't.

They can literally take out a large portion of the enemy turning the tides of a battle, and receive a massive amount of AP for a quick blast from the shadows. I'm not sure how that isn't OP.

Because a single DK leaping on enemies with or without proxy can do the same thing, or a sorc streaking into the enemy with proxy, etc. it's not as unique as people are thinking.

The general problem is that damage is too high -- well at least if you aren't running % reduction or stacking resistances with gaze and pariah.

DK leap is their ultimate.
You're comparing the ultimate to spammable skills.

The combo is Tether -> Proxy -> Sap Essence so magBlade bombers are actually using their ultimate as well.

Only a super squishy group is getting killed by only a Proxy (and in that case they probably deserve the chastening).

The person I replied said DK leap can do the same thing. The person also compared it with streak.

First, People can't can't spam leap as frequently as streak or cloak or bomb.

Second, leap would not scale with no. of people hit, streak won't scale with that, but detonation bombers will.

Try Detonation with Vicious Death on your NB and see the result, and compare with leap and streak, you'll know the difference. Combining passives of NB, bombing in open world PvP is a new level now.

universal_wrath

It is funny how for this magblade classes to spec for bombing/ganking and it is fine, but stamsorc is not fine, even though both of these classes rely heavily on procs as well as gank8ng is their most successful playstyle.

There is literaly a thread that condone and complain stamsorc for only being able to play one style (ganking/hit n run) while people chearing for magblade bombing, talk about double standards.

Togal

Learn how to block and not stack, simple as that. Bombers are needed to deal with ball groups and they are needed.

biminirwb17_ESO

Just resurrected my Overloard Magblade Bomber just for MYM, see ya on the battlefield. Oh I have a little twist on the meta that will surprise a few.

Dont worry I will still be burning forward camps and those juicy coldfire ballistas and all the other sneaky Magblady stuffs.

techyeshic

I laugh about the taking out ball groups. The good ones I see do not fall to a single bomber because it requires 1 kill, and they are usually tanks, layered with heal and purge spam.

What I do see is zergs filled with bombers. Caught a video last night of a clash between 2 and a mass cluster of death on one side, followed by one on the other. It's kind of funny, but not great gameplay.

olsborg

I find magbombers a nessesary evil, like that vid earlier in the thread, very good. Whats a bigger problem is all the melee gankers atm, with 20k dmg in 1s only to finnish you off with spin2win...not much you can do vs that unless you know its coming and you block it, but how often is that..

divnyi

jerj6925 wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

I mean you can almost completely shut down bombers with flares + defensive position / dark deal, if you hate it so much.

Actually no, with the lag in this game so bad as it is (and it will not get better with this game's age) bombers have a massive advantage. I have tried running detect pots and spamming the different detect abilities...

Not pots and not just any detect abilities. Flares that stun. That's the only ones that screw up bombers hard, and you need to stack them AROUND congregations of allies, one won't help.

techyeshic

divnyi wrote: »

jerj6925 wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

I mean you can almost completely shut down bombers with flares + defensive position / dark deal, if you hate it so much.

Actually no, with the lag in this game so bad as it is (and it will not get better with this game's age) bombers have a massive advantage. I have tried running detect pots and spamming the different detect abilities...

Not pots and not just any detect abilities. Flares that stun. That's the only ones that screw up bombers hard, and you need to stack them AROUND congregations of allies, one won't help.

So even if that skill was worth anything against a decent NB. Would you run Shuffle if the only class it worked on was templar jabs? Would ball groups spam purge if it only worked on DK DOTs? Or maybe burn a potion that only protects you from sorcs streak CC and a different one that only defends you against shalks? Maybe armor that only resists grave robber?

Do you see where I am going with this? I mean; its actually mild as you can somewhat see those coming. A bomber, you pretty much are guessing when to use a POT or spam an obscur ability that has pretty much little to no benefit otherwise. Im actually not advocating a counter to NBs in general as I like that class. Its the mass explosion you get by just having a friendly come running by sometimes that gets to be a problem.

DrSlaughtr

It makes me chuckle when people say bombers equalize zergs after I just watched 60 bombers bring the server to a screeching halt.

Aektann

Sooo bombers now explode on ONE player and kill him. This not normal at all!

Jaimeh

I've seen so many in just a couple of hours of play during MYM. It's easy AP when there's a lot of players around, because not all will have health/resists or be mindful not to stack, especially during an event which invites a lot of casual players (I know I go with full PvE gear on some alts to get tier 1 sometimes ), and it seems like the build du jour magNBs are delegated to, since it's harder to be effective otherwise. One thing that always helps is just not to stack with others at resources, to break the chain reaction of VD, and have aoe's down, and defenses up (shields, blocking, etc) when waiting for the flag to turn. Though it can happen anywhere but flags or the front of keeps/outposts are the more usual areas.

azjuwelz

This thread doesn’t surprise me at all given what Zos did with proc sets—making them OP in pvp where players can build to maximize benefits while destroying them for pve.

I ran around yesterday on my lvl 46 magsorc (pve) and yes, was caught a few times by bombers when I didn’t pay attention to social distancing, lol, but mostly it was on stacked players, particularly on flags. What amused me was that everyone seemed to have forgotten the defenses against bombers—caltrops, runes, and my personal favorite, the necro fear totem. On my necro, I run a support build designed to thwart bombers. (Also good at catching gankers , btw).

I know bombing isn’t easy and I have to applaud the really good ones. Far less annoying than the warden meta last patch.

vamp_emily

I wish they would make a set for me that is similar to VD, but just push a button to make it proc. I don't think I've ever seen my VD even proc when I tried it.

hundergrn

Just going to leave this here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2-FBiJAJXc

So many ways to keep from being bombed and res points and doors. Countering bombers doesn't need a full build redesign to do. A skill, a pot, or an aoe on your intended area and while they may try to gap close in for it, you will know they are there at that point and they will melt.

Kikazaru

I find myself having more success bombing in the fields or at choke points than trying to bomb a keep door or resource flag. Since the players are not distracted or on the move, they now worry about the bombers and are spamming CCs/detects and spreading out kind of. I find using immovable pots do increase the chance of a successful bomb in those scenarios significantly.

Bombing can be thwarted pretty easily if one wishes to do so, luckily it doesn’t happen often.

And when it comes to bombing a ball group. It is not entirely impossible. You just have to catch them at the right time. Trust me.



/Just my experience.

vamp_emily

The double fake bombers are the worst.

A fake bomber comes out of hiding just so you see him.. he comes closer and then jumps up and down. You and your teammates attack, kill and then t-bag him. A second later the his partner comes out and kills everyone.

Sephyr

Kikazaru wrote: »

I find myself having more success bombing in the fields or at choke points than trying to bomb a keep door or resource flag. Since the players are not distracted or on the move, they now worry about the bombers and are spamming CCs/detects and spreading out kind of. I find using immovable pots do increase the chance of a successful bomb in those scenarios significantly.

Bombing can be thwarted pretty easily if one wishes to do so, luckily it doesn’t happen often.

And when it comes to bombing a ball group. It is not entirely impossible. You just have to catch them at the right time. Trust me.



/Just my experience.

Exactly. I always expect to get bombed at resource flags and at keeps, so I'm always ready. It's better to bomb choke points and out in the field because most don't usually expect to get bombed. I also swore on those immovables back when I used to run some bomb builds. The thread almost makes me want to pull mine out of retirement.

YandereGirlfriend

PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.

Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.

AuraNebula

gamma71 wrote: »

Forget wardens this nb bomb B's every fing place u go there's a bomber. Nb are definitely what's killing me hands down. No Necro or warden or any other class can global u before u know what hit ya.

So basically you want to be unkillable because no other class can kill you besides a NB? How is an unkillable class balancing? Lol

AuraNebula

katorga wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

gamma71 wrote: »

Forget wardens this nb bomb B's every fing place u go there's a bomber. Nb are definitely what's killing me hands down. No Necro or warden or any other class can global u before u know what hit ya.

Stop stacking. Use one of the many available counters.

Bombers will bomb you even if you are alone. Obviously more lucrative to take out a group, but I've been nailed all by my lonesome.

Would you kill a person if you saw them alone? Should people not attack other people in Cyrodiil? I don't understand this argument.

Alucardo

Togal wrote: »

Learn how to block and not stack, simple as that. Bombers are needed to deal with ball groups and they are needed.

When you're forced to run through a chokepoint there's not much you can do about stacking. It's not like you can ask everyone to politely form a single line with 6 meters apart

techyeshic

Alucardo wrote: »

Togal wrote: »

Learn how to block and not stack, simple as that. Bombers are needed to deal with ball groups and they are needed.

When you're forced to run through a chokepoint there's not much you can do about stacking. It's not like you can ask everyone to politely form a single line with 6 meters apart

It's pretty courteous to the non stealth enemy as well to come running toward them 1 at a time.

Ocelot9x

I never had problems with bomblade, the problem now is that they are so common so every time you fight 1/2vX it always end with 8k sap essence+10k detonation, i kinda hate this meta

iksde

LightYagami wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It would be OP if they could do other things, but it isn't.

They can literally take out a large portion of the enemy turning the tides of a battle, and receive a massive amount of AP for a quick blast from the shadows. I'm not sure how that isn't OP.

Because a single DK leaping on enemies with or without proxy can do the same thing, or a sorc streaking into the enemy with proxy, etc. it's not as unique as people are thinking.

The general problem is that damage is too high -- well at least if you aren't running % reduction or stacking resistances with gaze and pariah.

DK leap is their ultimate.
You're comparing the ultimate to spammable skills.

The combo is Tether -> Proxy -> Sap Essence so magBlade bombers are actually using their ultimate as well.

Only a super squishy group is getting killed by only a Proxy (and in that case they probably deserve the chastening).

The person I replied said DK leap can do the same thing. The person also compared it with streak.

First, People can't can't spam leap as frequently as streak or cloak or bomb.

Second, leap would not scale with no. of people hit, streak won't scale with that, but detonation bombers will.

Try Detonation with Vicious Death on your NB and see the result, and compare with leap and streak, you'll know the difference. Combining passives of NB, bombing in open world PvP is a new level now.

lol?

as leap doesnt scale with number of people hit neither tether of nb - it will add only additional heal beam per player hitted by it and it wont save you from getting tons of hits at onnce while having no defense

people also cant spam bomb, nb cant spam bomb lol, you have to wait 8 secs for bomb detonation and nothing is changed if used on different classes

so yeah we can compare leap with tether easily, only difference will be that people might see leap incomming but for most time they doesnt see it either or dont react to it and are still getting full dmg hit without block with knocback


and only spammable on bombers you have is sap essence, in its place for other classes you can put just elemental ring from destro staff - it is literally same damage, only it have elemental damage depending on your staff rather than magic damage as sap essence

and Im sure also it will be enough to combine detonation with dk leap and vicious death to bomb group, people wont even expect this combo from anyone than nb - so whiel being on class with disadvantage for bombing like nb it might give you advantage as how people remember it is only nb thing - they will get surprise as not only nb is capable of bombing

Ocelot9x

iksde wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It would be OP if they could do other things, but it isn't.

They can literally take out a large portion of the enemy turning the tides of a battle, and receive a massive amount of AP for a quick blast from the shadows. I'm not sure how that isn't OP.

Because a single DK leaping on enemies with or without proxy can do the same thing, or a sorc streaking into the enemy with proxy, etc. it's not as unique as people are thinking.

The general problem is that damage is too high -- well at least if you aren't running % reduction or stacking resistances with gaze and pariah.

DK leap is their ultimate.
You're comparing the ultimate to spammable skills.

The combo is Tether -> Proxy -> Sap Essence so magBlade bombers are actually using their ultimate as well.

Only a super squishy group is getting killed by only a Proxy (and in that case they probably deserve the chastening).

The person I replied said DK leap can do the same thing. The person also compared it with streak.

First, People can't can't spam leap as frequently as streak or cloak or bomb.

Second, leap would not scale with no. of people hit, streak won't scale with that, but detonation bombers will.

Try Detonation with Vicious Death on your NB and see the result, and compare with leap and streak, you'll know the difference. Combining passives of NB, bombing in open world PvP is a new level now.

lol?

as leap doesnt scale with number of people hit neither tether of nb - it will add only additional heal beam per player hitted by it and it wont save you from getting tons of hits at onnce while having no defense

people also cant spam bomb, nb cant spam bomb lol, you have to wait 8 secs for bomb detonation and nothing is changed if used on different classes

so yeah we can compare leap with tether easily, only difference will be that people might see leap incomming but for most time they doesnt see it either or dont react to it and are still getting full dmg hit without block with knocback


and only spammable on bombers you have is sap essence, in its place for other classes you can put just elemental ring from destro staff - it is literally same damage, only it have elemental damage depending on your staff rather than magic damage as sap essence

and Im sure also it will be enough to combine detonation with dk leap and vicious death to bomb group, people wont even expect this combo from anyone than nb - so whiel being on class with disadvantage for bombing like nb it might give you advantage as how people remember it is only nb thing - they will get surprise as not only nb is capable of bombing

NB can go full damage thanks to cloak. Imagine seeing a 18k hp dragon knight running towards your group from 200 meters with his blue acuity aura lol
Also leap knockback the enemies so they will scatter thus not proccing vicious death. NB is an amazing bomber, i don't think a nerf is needed but God stop acting like heroic zergbusters while most of the time it's used in a Xv1 situation or against people who are scratching their thing with on hand while staying on an empty flag

DUTCH_REAPER

Soooo there is this button……it’s called block.
Your welcome peeps and stop trying to nerf classes.

Ps every time a person cries for a nerf a kitten dies…..there are sooooo many dead kittens guys.

Chelo

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

Bombers kill cowards who need to be grouped to outnumber people because is the only way Zergs can fight. Most people in Zergs are just running spaming 1 ability. Their strength are the numbers, not the skill of each player. So getting bombed is the punishment they get for playing the coward way.

Snipers are cowards who only fight from far away where they feel safe. Most of them would never be able to kill someone in a 1v1 fight.

The thing is Bombers are killing the cowards. Snipers are the cowards killing other people. Different context.

Casul

I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.

Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.

And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.