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MagBlade Bombers WTF!?!?!
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
That's what I mean - they are revealed for you as well as all of your allies.
Only the wearer receives the actual proc effect but everyone else in the area benefits from it.
The downtime is long but you can daisy-chain the proc with more than one wearer or, if you only have one wearer, bombers are anything but subtle and will attack clumped enemies with a high degree of predictability.
As an easy example, if you activate the set 2-3 second after players congregate to repair a door you have a very high chance of detecting the bomber that will inevitably attempt to bomb them.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Question: The skill : "Barrier" will protect the group from bombing attempts?
On paper, yes. In practice, no. The bomb generally starts off with Soul Tether which stuns everyone. You'd need someone with barrier that is built like a tank with inhuman reflexes, but even at that point, a majority of the people are probably already dead.0 -
biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Push "bomb" button, stealth, get in position against enemies 7 seconds later, hope soul tether actually works, if it does then hopefully the Bomb goes off.
Its not easy, it requires a bit of timing and luck. For every successful bomb there are many failures. plus whether it works or not you are usually ded.
High risk, high reward. Fine by me.2 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Question: The skill : "Barrier" will protect the group from bombing attempts?
On paper, yes. In practice, no. The bomb generally starts off with Soul Tether which stuns everyone. You'd need someone with barrier that is built like a tank with inhuman reflexes, but even at that point, a majority of the people are probably already dead.
Why? It got 30 sec duration, you can just put barrier anytime you take a flag or something like that, no?0 -
Xandreia_✭✭✭✭✭
✭If bombers didnt exist (good ones that bomb zergs not just 2 people) pvp would be a worse zergy state than it is now, (look at the non proc times for example people stacked alot more which made it wayyyyyy more laggy)
All I can say is hold block on a flag or just stand off to the side. Bombers are needed, they may be annoying but pvp needs them.2 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Just going to leave this here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2-FBiJAJXc
So many ways to keep from being bombed and res points and doors. Countering bombers doesn't need a full build redesign to do. A skill, a pot, or an aoe on your intended area and while they may try to gap close in for it, you will know they are there at that point and they will melt.
If it was that eady, people wouldn't complain about it.1 -
biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Bombing people repairing walls, waiting for the keep to unflag at transit, at resource flags are a cheap shots and something I wont do. My rule is I get ap by playing I don't play to get ap.
Bombing the back flag of a keep after a group has run in and done their ult dump is my usual. Works well sometimes, other times it fizzes.2 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
You either have to see a nightblade to use it to catch them before they cloak . The set only workd once for 10 sec with 30 secs coolddown. You dedicate a whole set just for 1 specific playstle/class, tbh, pots and other skills like mage light are far better.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
You either have to see a nightblade to use it to catch them before they cloak . The set only workd once for 10 sec with 30 secs coolddown. You dedicate a whole set just for 1 specific playstle/class, tbh, pots and other skills like mage light are far better.
Different use-cases demand different tools.
The radius on Sentry is EXTREME - basically any Nightblade in your entire draw distance is revealed for your allies. That spells doom for Nightblade gank squads harassing your healers or hunting down would be back-cappers hiding inside of keeps.
For basic door repair and such, I agree, the stunning version of Magelight is much better.0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Question: The skill : "Barrier" will protect the group from bombing attempts?
On paper, yes. In practice, no. The bomb generally starts off with Soul Tether which stuns everyone. You'd need someone with barrier that is built like a tank with inhuman reflexes, but even at that point, a majority of the people are probably already dead.
Why? It got 30 sec duration, you can just put barrier anytime you take a flag or something like that, no?
What if there were no bombers? You just wasting an ultimate that could have saved you in a different fight you needed. Also, barrier is capped to either 6 or 12 group members only. Peoeple on flags easily exceed that number or maybe less but different groups. Another thing to consider is that barrier is 30 secs, bombing is patiences, many bomber can wait for barrier to go down.0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭This patch seems really great except that im getting bombed every 5 seconds in Cyrodiil and BG's. Soul Tether, Proxydetonation , Sap Essence. I have 30k health and i fall over instantly. Mag Blades needed some help as a class i think with healing maybe. But now this Magblade combo is Sooo OP its just stupid.
ZoS really dropped the balance ball.... Stamina is just as powerful as a magblade but really what bothers me about magblade is their cowardly acts of invisibility and teabagging my disabled sister.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Just going to leave this here....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2-FBiJAJXc
So many ways to keep from being bombed and res points and doors. Countering bombers doesn't need a full build redesign to do. A skill, a pot, or an aoe on your intended area and while they may try to gap close in for it, you will know they are there at that point and they will melt.
If it was that eady, people wouldn't complain about it.
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The devs have made many changes over the years that make ganking less potent than it used to be. If you have a certain health threshold, some impen, and are somewhat experienced from recovering from a stealth stun, you will survive the vast majority of gank attempts and often times the attacking will just dip into stealth looking for an easier target.
Bombing is a different beast. It has a characteristic that has been frowned upon and discouraged to Game-Masters ever since fantasy gaming became a thing with Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson's creation of Dungeons and Dragons: instant killing a player-character who either did not make a mistake or had no opportunity to defend/prevent the death. There are some things I can do to avoid getting bombed and indeed I do them: not stand on a resource flag, move away from a friendly stack, have impen/health, etc., but the fact of the matter is that if you partake in the sorts of fights Cyrodiil encourages, you're going to find yourself in positions that are highly conducive to bombing (breeches, friendly allies moving close to you, trying to capture a strategic position, even something like trying to transitus to a threatened keep, etc.). So it is kind of frustrating, even if I acknowledge that it's hard for a bomber to pull off.
Complicating matters is that bombers are currently the only practical tool that ZOS has given players to fight against enemy stacking of players, which is entirely too strong as a defensive tactic. So some argue they are something of a necessary evil and doing away with them will just remove one frustration for another. The problem thus has deep roots, resulting from ZOS's oddly paradoxical stance that gear and equipment are perfectly fine for destroying players and inflicting tremendous amounts of damage, but somehow actual player abilities are not. So if you see a stack of enemy players, your options are really limited. You either can lay down a siege weapon, hope you dont get ganked, hope the enemy stays still, hope other players will coordinate with you, hope you don't become a target for the stacking enemy ("bomb the coldfire" is perhaps one of the more common calls in organized groups) or get on your NB bomber, and that's pretty much it.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 9, 2021 6:20PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭Last night I just ported in to a keep and went out the outer door right as a massive group of friendlies were getting bombed having no clue they were there and it was hilarious, but I had to ask WTF they all were doing just standing outside the door. Another time; again oblivious where friendlies were; I came around the corner not fighting, just happened to run right into a bomb. Also funny and they should be more aware, and I should watch out where I'm going.
Still; I see people bombing 1 or 2 people because it has just became too potent that it no longer requires patience. I've seen enemies bomb an empty door because they don't bother to look; it's easy enough to just get lucky and they do. That's the problem.
It can be countered if you've been around. After taking Nickel, rather than fix the door, I just walked out and around to the left and popped a detect pot, and killed a NB that was there proxying up to go for the bomb. Another time though; I had it covered again; but as I'm going for the kill, here comes the Squishie allies to "help" and all it takes is 1 or 2 to mean death.
I really could go either way. It's a bit silly but to hell with taking this game seriously when you so often are lucky your abilities work at all.1 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Joy_Division "If you have a certain health threshold, some impen, and are somewhat experienced from recovering from a stealth stun, you will survive the vast majority of gank attempts and often times the attacking will just dip into stealth looking for an easier target."
This part isn't true anymore this patch
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RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭People defending this bombing epidemic must not play PVP on the same game that I'm playing. It's an absolute plague on Xbox NA in Cyrodiil. Every death recap for everyone is Proximity Detonation, Soul Tether, and sometimes Sap Essence. It's beyond pathetic. I'm sure playing on console and all the lag doesn't help the situation.7
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What a beautiful bomb.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX3 -
darvaria✭✭✭✭✭RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »People defending this bombing epidemic must not play PVP on the same game that I'm playing. It's an absolute plague on Xbox NA in Cyrodiil. Every death recap for everyone is Proximity Detonation, Soul Tether, and sometimes Sap Essence. It's beyond pathetic. I'm sure playing on console and all the lag doesn't help the situation.
People defending it are those playing on bombers.1 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
If you see us with sentry you can light attack us or drop an aoe. Being stealthed doesn't prevent you from taking damage. It just means you have to either directly hit them or surround us with damage. Other skills will not fire because they require the target to be visible.I drink and I stream things.0 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »People defending this bombing epidemic must not play PVP on the same game that I'm playing. It's an absolute plague on Xbox NA in Cyrodiil. Every death recap for everyone is Proximity Detonation, Soul Tether, and sometimes Sap Essence. It's beyond pathetic. I'm sure playing on console and all the lag doesn't help the situation.
People defending it are those playing on bombers.
Or maybe those of us who have never played bombers see no purpose in removing a play style just because someone doesn’t like it or doesn’t want to use the counters.
If Zos listened to every similar complaint then there would be no one left in cyrodill except guards, oh wait people complain about them too lol.
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Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »People defending this bombing epidemic must not play PVP on the same game that I'm playing. It's an absolute plague on Xbox NA in Cyrodiil. Every death recap for everyone is Proximity Detonation, Soul Tether, and sometimes Sap Essence. It's beyond pathetic. I'm sure playing on console and all the lag doesn't help the situation.
People defending it are those playing on bombers.
Or maybe those of us who have never played bombers see no purpose in removing a play style just because someone doesn’t like it or doesn’t want to use the counters.
If Zos listened to every similar complaint then there would be no one left in cyrodill except guards, oh wait people complain about them too lol.
With how long those guards stand there? Surely they get paid overtime.0 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheEndBringer wrote: »I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
If you see us with sentry you can light attack us or drop an aoe. Being stealthed doesn't prevent you from taking damage. It just means you have to either directly hit them or surround us with damage. Other skills will not fire because they require the target to be visible.
This isn't right though. Crouch stealth yes. But I'm talking about spamming cloak even when I can see you. It makes all single target attacks miss. Its absolutely insane the mitigation it provides.PvP needs more love.0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheEndBringer wrote: »I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
If you see us with sentry you can light attack us or drop an aoe. Being stealthed doesn't prevent you from taking damage. It just means you have to either directly hit them or surround us with damage. Other skills will not fire because they require the target to be visible.
This isn't right though. Crouch stealth yes. But I'm talking about spamming cloak even when I can see you. It makes all single target attacks miss. Its absolutely insane the mitigation it provides.
So again, drop an aoe under them or flare. It will yank them out.I drink and I stream things.1 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
If you see us with sentry you can light attack us or drop an aoe. Being stealthed doesn't prevent you from taking damage. It just means you have to either directly hit them or surround us with damage. Other skills will not fire because they require the target to be visible.
This isn't right though. Crouch stealth yes. But I'm talking about spamming cloak even when I can see you. It makes all single target attacks miss. Its absolutely insane the mitigation it provides.
So again, drop an aoe under them or flare. It will yank them out.
So not only sacrifice a 5p, but sacrifice skills to counter NB. Got it.
Also with the delay that flare has and the general movement speed NB has you better have God tier prediction skills or else you are just wasting magicka.
Either way I'm just saying, we had issue with shuffle giving 15% dodge chance, yet NB gets a spammable 100% against single target direct and dots damage.Edited by Casul on July 8, 2021 2:37PMPvP needs more love.0 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Casting Proxy Det will pull them out of cloak. Good bombers (and there's not many good ones) will immediately cloak after casting but there's a delay. Inexperienced bombers will take a little longer to cloak back up. If you're vigilant, you can see the moment they cast and prepare accordingly. I've only been killed once by a bomb and it was totally my fault...I wasn't paying attention.0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
If you see us with sentry you can light attack us or drop an aoe. Being stealthed doesn't prevent you from taking damage. It just means you have to either directly hit them or surround us with damage. Other skills will not fire because they require the target to be visible.
This isn't right though. Crouch stealth yes. But I'm talking about spamming cloak even when I can see you. It makes all single target attacks miss. Its absolutely insane the mitigation it provides.
So again, drop an aoe under them or flare. It will yank them out.
So not only sacrifice a 5p, but sacrifice skills to counter NB. Got it.
Also with the delay that flare has and the general movement speed NB has you better have God tier prediction skills or else you are just wasting magicka.
Either way I'm just saying, we had issue with shuffle giving 15% dodge chance, yet NB gets a spammable 100% against single target direct and dots damage.
Okay I got it. You don't want to sacrifice anything to counter the playstyle that is base game because it's inconvenient. I'm sorry but that's just now how it works.
And most NBs are slower sneaking than walking unless they run swift or wild hunt. If you can't throw down an insta cast aoe around us then practice more. Because it's not that hard.
And for the millionth time it doesn't negate over the damage.Edited by DrSlaughtr on July 8, 2021 6:33PMI drink and I stream things.2 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »I just wish cloak wouldn't make damage miss even when I can see the nightblades using sentry. I figure if I dedicate a 5 piece that has a 20 second downtime I should be able to isolate the enemy during my window..YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PSA: The Sentry set is a-mazing Nightblade repellent.
Not only does it reveal Nightblades for you but for everyone else on your faction as well.
And I'm not sure this is accurate. I think you may be taking then out of stealth (crouch) and thus revealing them. I'm pretty sure sentry only procs for the wearer.
If you see us with sentry you can light attack us or drop an aoe. Being stealthed doesn't prevent you from taking damage. It just means you have to either directly hit them or surround us with damage. Other skills will not fire because they require the target to be visible.
This isn't right though. Crouch stealth yes. But I'm talking about spamming cloak even when I can see you. It makes all single target attacks miss. Its absolutely insane the mitigation it provides.
So again, drop an aoe under them or flare. It will yank them out.
So not only sacrifice a 5p, but sacrifice skills to counter NB. Got it.
Also with the delay that flare has and the general movement speed NB has you better have God tier prediction skills or else you are just wasting magicka.
Either way I'm just saying, we had issue with shuffle giving 15% dodge chance, yet NB gets a spammable 100% against single target direct and dots damage.
Okay I got it. You don't want to sacrifice anything to counter the playstyle that is base game because it's inconvenient. I'm sorry but that's just now how it works.
And most NBs are slower sneaking than walking unless they run swift or wild hunt. If you can't throw down an insta cast aoe around us then practice more. Because it's not that hard.
And for the millionth time it doesn't negate over the damage.
I'm giving up a 5 piece set to counter NB. What do you mean??? I just want the counter to do its job and actually counter the skill. Not some half ***** counter that still let's them mitigate damage. And yes I have plenty of MYM clips that show no damage number, no HP decrease. Nothing. It causes the damage to miss.Edited by Casul on July 8, 2021 8:00PMPvP needs more love.0
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