MagBlade Bombers WTF!?!?!

Vizzini

This patch seems really great except that im getting bombed every 5 seconds in Cyrodiil and BG's. Soul Tether, Proxydetonation , Sap Essence. I have 30k health and i fall over instantly. Mag Blades needed some help as a class i think with healing maybe. But now this Magblade combo is Sooo OP its just stupid.

Dalsinthus

Same. It’s really bad this patch. I have 31 k health, 28k spell resist, 3k crit resist and bombers are still hitting me for insane damage. Seems like ZOS totally messed up the proc scaling for bombers with this patch.

Nemeliom

Doesn't matter what you are equipping. If others on your group/zerg die and start a chain reaction, vicious death will get you. For each death it's another huge dmg on your way.

Imagine the bomber killed 2. Then the dmg goes like this:
1. Soul tether
2. Proximity
3. Sap essence
4. Vicious death
5. Sap essence
6. Vicious death

What are the chances of surviving that? 🤣
Plus as a bomber, you always choose the weaker in the group to light attack while doing that combo. So you make sure the chain reaction begins.

angelofdeath333

The bombers are great, death to the zerglings!!
I just laugh if i am being bombed all by myself, its hilarious.

ResidentContrarian

Vicious death proccing before you even die, so there is that too. Wait, we're not supposed to talk about that...

Want real cheese? Use a stone trebuchet, and vicious death (probably because of priority), will always tick before the second tick of the trebuchet/ballista if the person would die from the second tick - in other words it will kill players with low health instantly even when it's not supposed to from VD proc that happens before players even die.

If ZOS fixes that bug, I wonder how "good" some of these bombers are. Alternatively, everyone can just become tankier and we can see more complaints about a "tank-based ESO PvP experience" or complaints about doing too little damage from players also running tank builds but pretending they are not.

NinchiTV

I got impreg/armor master and troll king, all medium stamsorc as long as you have shuffle up and dodge roll after tether stun I survive the bombs. What I cant survive is the VDs. But you just have to put to use social distancing rules and stay 6 feet apart (which funny enough the range of VD is 5m)

Alucardo

NinchiTV wrote: »

I got impreg/armor master and troll king, all medium stamsorc as long as you have shuffle up and dodge roll after tether stun I survive the bombs. What I cant survive is the VDs. But you just have to put to use social distancing rules and stay 6 feet apart (which funny enough the range of VD is 5m)

This is true enough. Generally I'll survive the initial burst, but I'll get clapped mid dodge roll from the VD explosions which feels a little cheap. I don't mind bombers, but VD may be a little overtuned. Sometimes it feels more like a 10 meter radius than 5.

HowlKimchi

Bombers bombing zergs are doing God's work

L_Nici

I am happy with bombers back around. I missed them so much, just exploding a zerg is the best thing to watch. And then you can laugh about all that not so bright minds, that after many years still stack on flags, even though they are told not to since the beginning.

The_Lex

Bombing (and to a lesser degree, single target ganking) is all magblades have for PvP right now.

Okay, hyperbole aside, ZoS struggles with how to make magblades competitive in PvP without completely overloading them for PvE. They have been in the lowest tier for some time now.

Brrrofski

The_Lex wrote: »

Bombing (and to a lesser degree, single target ganking) is all magblades have for PvP right now.

Okay, hyperbole aside, ZoS struggles with how to make magblades competitive in PvP without completely overloading them for PvE. They have been in the lowest tier for some time now.

It's not hyperbole though.

Magblade is bad in pvp, point blank. At the best of times, it's a bad mag sorc.

In this current meta now, even mag sorc isn't great. So imagine where that leaves magblade.

Yes, some people can play them well. I do good on mine. But those players would do even better and have less frustration on a mag sorc.

paulychan

its the high sd requirement for VD thats pushing our bombs. after some adjusting, my bomber has a resting sd of 5100+ and 40k+ magicka. If I pop ultimate from stealth from flank and time my bomb/ulti/sap correctly, VD hits for over 27k (half 4 battle spirit) or maybe more. I don't flip screens fast enough to know the real #. Add the ultimate and a few sap taps and things should boom. All of that has to line up though. if i pick the wrong target or if any of the required procs don't happen, it's a fizzle instead of a boom. Little lag? done for. get spotted, done for. accidentally target a warden, game over.
bombs hurt now. its hard to pull off but the booms are big. thats why I think there are more of us. anyone who has ever bombed wants in on those huge, juicy procs.
add in the challenge of running that vamp skill that sucks life for sd and things get super hard. and fun. thats how I'm rolling. 1 in 5 bombs tho. maybe

Mayrael

Somehow I countered few bomblades pretty easily while I couldn't stamsorcs. On my build with 30k resists, 30k health and 3,5k crit resists I got literally one shoted by certain stam sorc. I won't tell you how he does it (to not spread the cancer) but it's absurdly broken, that even when build extremely tanky you can get one shoted, and yes it's specific to sorcs, and no he doesn't use any exploits.

Tommy_The_Gun

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

Astrid

Magblade bombers (but bombing isn’t limited to them) have always always been a thing. Doesn’t matter how much health you’re stacking - Vicious death and the amount of spell damage/max magicka/guarenteed crit from cloak/stun from tether into sap which is a huge aoe whilst you’re cc’d if you haven’t already died from the initial explosion, nevermind if they’re running the vamp toggle ontop of that… you’re probably dead, not always but most likely. It’s kinda the counter to people running in big groups - yeah you have safety in numbers from other regular PvPers but you’re gonna get punished by a bomber. Less people there are - less damage it does. This really isn’t a new thing.

JobooAGS

Good. VD is amazing

oXI_Viper_IXo

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

It's not weird at all.

Bombing requires massive amounts of patience, practice, and failed attempts to get decent at. You are literally going YOLO into a large group of enemies while accepting the fact that you will likely not survive.

Sniping requires standing 40m away spamming one button from stealth/cloak at people that are already engaged with other opponents and then rolling and cloaking away the instant anyone so much as looks in their general direction.

The two play styles are not comparable by any metric.

Kikazaru

https://youtu.be/1oMrtSdecjY

I like the bomb.

Stopping an EP ball group farming at alessia bridge.

Sagetim

So what you are say, magic actually has one class that might work decent, because the rest of magic classes sucks but. So let’s go ahead and take away the oneclass that’s actually working for magic… cool

The_Lex

Kikazaru wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1oMrtSdecjY

I like the bomb.

Stopping an EP ball group farming at alessia bridge.

This was the art of war at its finest.

Sephyr

L_Nici wrote: »

I am happy with bombers back around. I missed them so much, just exploding a zerg is the best thing to watch. And then you can laugh about all that not so bright minds, that after many years still stack on flags, even though they are told not to since the beginning.

Same. You'd think all these ball groups and zergs would've learned by now from the last time bomb builds were dense. Or maybe the good ball groups and zergs left without bequeathing that advice.

Which ever it is, they need to stop relying on group stacks and invest in detect potions and counters instead of lazily standing on the flag.

WaywardArgonian

I never really saw the problem with this. It's easy to avoid getting bombed. It's even easy to snuff out bombers if you know how to do so. I've been playing Cyro on the regular for a year and I can count the times I got bombed on one hand, and even in those cases it was mostly my own fault.

divnyi

I mean you can almost completely shut down bombers with flares + defensive position / dark deal, if you hate it so much.

katorga

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

It's not weird at all.

Bombing requires massive amounts of patience, practice, and failed attempts to get decent at. You are literally going YOLO into a large group of enemies while accepting the fact that you will likely not survive.

Sniping requires standing 40m away spamming one button from stealth/cloak at people that are already engaged with other opponents and then rolling and cloaking away the instant anyone so much as looks in their general direction.

The two play styles are not comparable by any metric.

It is just another build being carried by proc sets.

oXI_Viper_IXo

katorga wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

It's not weird at all.

Bombing requires massive amounts of patience, practice, and failed attempts to get decent at. You are literally going YOLO into a large group of enemies while accepting the fact that you will likely not survive.

Sniping requires standing 40m away spamming one button from stealth/cloak at people that are already engaged with other opponents and then rolling and cloaking away the instant anyone so much as looks in their general direction.

The two play styles are not comparable by any metric.

It is just another build being carried by proc sets.

If it's so easy, let's see some clips of your successful bombs.

Hexquisite

divnyi wrote: »

I mean you can almost completely shut down bombers with flares + defensive position / dark deal, if you hate it so much.

Unfortunately, not on laggy Fridays and Saturdays in CP world. The bomb goes off before the game can catch up to what is happening. And then you are so lagged you can't break free from the tether stun. The tool tips are pretty insane atm. People are bombing just one person all alone with no other people around lol. I mean there are litterally groups of all bombers running. Which is cool, there were groups of all Wardens too.

tonyblack

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

It's not weird at all.

Bombing requires massive amounts of patience, practice, and failed attempts to get decent at. You are literally going YOLO into a large group of enemies while accepting the fact that you will likely not survive.

Sniping requires standing 40m away spamming one button from stealth/cloak at people that are already engaged with other opponents and then rolling and cloaking away the instant anyone so much as looks in their general direction.

The two play styles are not comparable by any metric.

It is just another build being carried by proc sets.

If it's so easy, let's see some clips of your successful bombs.

The hardest or most time consuming part of bombing is collecting the right gear and completing build. Oh, and of course you need a bit of knowledge where players will stack (resources or ram). As for the bombing itself the floor and selling pretty close to each other. There is little room for improvement and whole idea is about using same 3 skills. Moreover bomber builds become so popular this patch that you most likely would be bombed while 1vXing rather than when you stack on resource. In fact i would agree to the point above that it is now about as skillful as sniping, just more like melee hit and run kind of thing.

universal_wrath

Mayrael wrote: »

Somehow I countered few bomblades pretty easily while I couldn't stamsorcs. On my build with 30k resists, 30k health and 3,5k crit resists I got literally one shoted by certain stam sorc. I won't tell you how he does it (to not spread the cancer) but it's absurdly broken, that even when build extremely tanky you can get one shoted, and yes it's specific to sorcs, and no he doesn't use any exploits.

I have survivd more stamsorcs than I did bomblades. On my build with full medium 18k resists, 32k health, and 1,8k crit resists and I literally got one shoted by many bombblades. I would tell you how they does it (everyone know how) but it's absurdly broken, that even when build survivable against all classes you can get one shoted, and yes it's specific to nightblades, and no they don't use any exploits.

If this is not to your liking, I can change my DD to my healer, it got capped resist and over 35% damage reduction and over 40k health and about 1.8k crit resists, I still get one shotted or down to 5-10% health ramge from gankblades and bombblades, I laugh when I fight stamsorcs with this build.

fred4

So I am old. I wasn't there at the very beginning, but I am 6 years old in ESO. Now, come here, young boy and let me tell you about the good old days - or not so good as it turns out. You would get bombed and did not see it coming. These days, yes I have been bombed, yes I've died to Vicious Death. However I see and hear Proxy Dets all the time before they arrive. I see them under IC bridges. I see them at a distance. Most importantly I hear them coming almost every time, even if I have not figured out the best defense yet. Wouldn't want to be dodge rolling in the direction targeted by the bomber. Basically though, there is more counterplay than I remember.

fred4

universal_wrath wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Somehow I countered few bomblades pretty easily while I couldn't stamsorcs. On my build with 30k resists, 30k health and 3,5k crit resists I got literally one shoted by certain stam sorc. I won't tell you how he does it (to not spread the cancer) but it's absurdly broken, that even when build extremely tanky you can get one shoted, and yes it's specific to sorcs, and no he doesn't use any exploits.

I have survivd more stamsorcs than I did bomblades. On my build with full medium 18k resists, 32k health, and 1,8k crit resists and I literally got one shoted by many bombblades. I would tell you how they does it (everyone know how) but it's absurdly broken, that even when build survivable against all classes you can get one shoted, and yes it's specific to nightblades, and no they don't use any exploits.

If this is not to your liking, I can change my DD to my healer, it got capped resist and over 35% damage reduction and over 40k health and about 1.8k crit resists, I still get one shotted or down to 5-10% health ramge from gankblades and bombblades, I laugh when I fight stamsorcs with this build.

If we're talking in CP and buffed resistances, then I think Mayrael has decent resistances for a medium armor DD brawler spec this patch, whereas you do not. Everything has just shifted. You want to build more defensively, there are means to do so and yet you'll still do decent damage, cause damage is so high. My stam DK - talking CP here - has 35K both resistances on the back bar and then Pariah on top (topping out at whatever that comes to, e.g. 40K+). 5x medium armor. It was not hard to achieve with CP and being a Nord. Pariah back bar = only defensive set.

I would also say: Stand there and block when turning a flag and don't stand in the middle. I'm not sure whether Soul Tether drops your block ... that's possible. It seemed to happen to me, but I roll dodge on a hair trigger when I'm attacked and that could be the wrong move, e.g. it may have been my fault.

Tommy_The_Gun

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

When it comes to bombers, I never understood this phenomenon:

- Bomber "ganks" (kills) 10+ people on resources with little to no counterplay - everybody cheers, laughs and congratulates, especially if there is a video uploaded, also, gets bonus kudos when grouped players dies.

- Snipers "ganks" (kills) ONE person with ranged attack - everybody is angry, calls the person to be a coward, or "toxic" (or both), "votes for nerfs", snipe & other skills gets nerfed etc to eliminate play-style...

I mean it is weird, right ?

It's not weird at all.

Bombing requires massive amounts of patience, practice, and failed attempts to get decent at. You are literally going YOLO into a large group of enemies while accepting the fact that you will likely not survive.

Sniping requires standing 40m away spamming one button from stealth/cloak at people that are already engaged with other opponents and then rolling and cloaking away the instant anyone so much as looks in their general direction.

The two play styles are not comparable by any metric.

That is kinda not true. I mean, you can "bomb" people who are already fighting others too and it is way easier... Those 2 play styles are different, true, but I would not say one is was more difficult than the other (was because ranged ganking kinda does not exists nowadays).

Also, I do think that people who say that ranged ganging was only spamming one button at 40 meters range obviously never did that. Because - you would never kill anybody just by using snipe only. It was a play style that also required "massive amounts of patience, practice, and failed attempts to get decent at"

Sure, maybe there was ONE patch in entire ESO history when you technically could do that vs inexperienced players (just like bombing is super strong in current meta), but even then majority of dmg was coming from proc sets. Snipe was only a part of the combo (most noticeable). But you also needed other sources of dmg to get enough burst. I still remember when you could pair Grim Focus proc with snipe and Poison Arrow. All ranged ganking builds that were actually able to do something were not 40+ meters as only one part of the burst combo skill has that range.

^ I know that, because I have tried both styles - stam nb bow ganking & Soul Tether mag NB bombing. The only real difference was final kill / death ratio. With bow, I could only eliminate one target per gank (and not always). With Bombing, my kill / death ration sky-rocketed up as I could eliminate at least 10+ people per gank and often was able to get away too... In fact, I would even argue that bombing is way easier than successful ranged - ganking.
^ That is at least my experience, so.. there, that is why I said it is wierd. One glass canon play-style can barely kill a single target (and it is commonly hated for even being mentioned), while the other can kill multiple targets with less effort and is being loved for that.... I don't get it...

Edit:
Also, if you think about it, even non-ranged (melee) single target ganking is way harder than bombing. If you somehow succeed at it, you only kill 1 target with same if not higher risk, but lower reward.