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The "WTS Companion sash 100k" problem
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Xebov✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just shows that predatory capitalism is taking over every aspect of our lives. Choked over all the white gear listed in the guild stores for 5000 coins, then all the chat items going for 150K. Lotta these conniving bastages need hot grease shot up their posterior ejection mechanisms.
Why?
That white gear is sold by NPCs is written in the patch notes. If ppl dont read them and buy the white items for 5k its their own problem.
Otehr gear is a rare drop and as such players can call up higher prices. Noone has to farm for the benefit of others.1 -
RageKing✭✭✭✭new things are always expensive, doesnt mean you have to buy them. Just wait a few weeks and they will be cheap2
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have this latest DLC/chapter/whatever you want to call it, but I have not done any of the companion questing, and have had NO companion items drop.
Are the drops restricted to the people who have the companions?Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis2 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭Y'all are forgetting something important...
New players have a chance to win the lottery and buy their dream home. It's a win-win for everybody.
Sadly new players don't know "1 million gold" exist so they vendor or list them for pennies.. that one of these selfish folks in the chat buy up and relist because to these people, "Everything is PVP, gimme my money N'wah, imma sit on my dragon hoard" , and let the peasants eat cake.
Did you ever see that one episode of Viva la dirt league where all aspect of fun and enjoyment had been extracted from "Playing the game", that is ESO community now.2 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭It is odd to me to see this. People are dropping millions on companion gear when the companions just die after an aoe or two anyway. They're never going to make or break a fight and they sure as hell aren't used in any kind of serious pve content, so i'm unsure why people are dropping so much on them. because it's "optimal"? because they might buff them some day? I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer4 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »
I'm sorry but if new players need help clearing base game content they probably shouldn't be playing the game to begin with.
Brah... Not all players have 2 hands
So far today this thread has gone from "How DARE you tell me not to run a companion, I love my waifu"
to
"How DARE you play the game if you were not born as a CP1600 toon and have a fully functional body"0 -
crazepdx✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I have this latest DLC/chapter/whatever you want to call it, but I have not done any of the companion questing, and have had NO companion items drop.
Are the drops restricted to the people who have the companions?
Companion gear only drops if you have a companion out.4 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭Icy_Waffles wrote: »Are you just upset that if you buy your way through this, it’s gonna be expensive for a while?
Nope, I have my companion out in stock gear while leveling I clear content wearing my gold gear, I give all my colour/trait Companion gear to friends/Guildies/Nice lowbies I meet, because if I list it, a scalper will relist it within 10 minutes.
As I said in my OP (which most people didn't read) no one is replacing a human in a group with a companion and no one needs a companion in normal content, the only people that do are the Light attack only new players who could learn a thing or 2 from Bastion like.. Do a skill occasionally.0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is the pretty much the antiquities lead drop conversation just with different gear. The problem will solve its self in a very short time. Prices are already dropping. There will always be a number of players that want everything day one. Some are willing to pay a lot of gold to try and be the first to get all the new stuff. Prices are always high a the first few days after new stuff drops. If players are willing to pay extreme prices it would be silly to not take advantage. Both people go away happy with the transaction.
A new player isn't going to need a fully outfitted companion right away. They will get gear for the companion while they are out and about getting their own gear and experience. And if they do want to buy the gear all they need do is wait a week or two. I would suggest actually waiting a month. After thirty days the stuff players put in traders at really high prices will be returned. Those players will then drop the prices below market just to be rid of them.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Knowledge is power...if you had read patch notes you would of had companion in gear already for idk 250 gold.
Yeah, white quality, no trait gear bought from an NPC.
That's not really what the thread is about.1 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Every time new content drops people cash in on those that want everything in the first week, once those people have there items the prices will start coming down.
In a few weeks the prices on everything short of purple gear will drop considerably as everyone fills most of their guild store slots with companion gear only to find the green and a lot of the blue stuff in undesirable traits just sits there.
I don't expect purple gear to get any lower than the cost of a popular sets gold ring though, around the 400K mark but that is still months away before supply catches up to demand for purple gear in the most popular traits.
You can blame ZOS as far as I am concerned, the stupidly low drop rate and the inability to upgrade gear has caused these high prices.
And that is working exactly how they planned it, someone else mentioned others have only just bought the chapter to get in on the sale of companion gear, who originally planned to skip the chapter or pick it up on sale instead.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lapin_Logic wrote: »ZOS put the Companion system in the game to help newer players who need assistance clearing base game content.
i.e they have no cash. (for some reason ZOS decided to also set the drop rate so low as the player would have died of old age before equipping one companion but that is a separate issue)
The Community "Lets gouge the price, scalp the market and price Companion Noob gear Higher than BIS character gear or some gold items."
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The Community seem to think that just because aa system is new it is automatically for end game players, but no end game player is using a companion in place of another player, nor should they.... So can we ALL just use a little common sense and price things accordingly, Companion gear for the % effectiveness gain would be priced as trash gear in any other situation, show a bit of kindness to the new players for whom an 8K maxed DPS fitted companion would make a difference, thanks.
It could benefit new players more than hurt them if they know to cash in on the silliness. Imagine being a new player and finding some random item you can sell for millions. That would be a huge help to them, a lot more so than having slightly better gear for their companion.Edited by Jeremy on June 6, 2021 11:00PM1 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭Just shows that predatory capitalism is taking over every aspect of our lives. Choked over all the white gear listed in the guild stores for 5000 coins, then all the chat items going for 150K. Lotta these conniving bastages need hot grease shot up their posterior ejection mechanisms.
Why?
That white gear is sold by NPCs is written in the patch notes. If ppl dont read them and buy the white items for 5k its their own problem.
Otehr gear is a rare drop and as such players can call up higher prices. Noone has to farm for the benefit of others.
NPC's sell only Blank untraited gear, exactly like what your companion has stock making the system kind of a joke.2 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I have this latest DLC/chapter/whatever you want to call it, but I have not done any of the companion questing, and have had NO companion items drop.
Are the drops restricted to the people who have the companions?
you must have a companion out to activate the 1 in 5000 chance (literally) that an item will drop.1 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭It is odd to me to see this. People are dropping millions on companion gear when the companions just die after an aoe or two anyway. They're never going to make or break a fight and they sure as hell aren't used in any kind of serious pve content, so i'm unsure why people are dropping so much on them. because it's "optimal"? because they might buff them some day? I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
Min Maxers and "Content creators" are crazy, Market flippers are even crazier.2 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭alenae1b14_ESO wrote: »Why can't we craft gear for our companions? or can we?
Not able to craft companion gear this patch.... It will be the Malibu Stacy New Hat of some future chapter probably.0 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is odd to me to see this. People are dropping millions on companion gear when the companions just die after an aoe or two anyway. They're never going to make or break a fight and they sure as hell aren't used in any kind of serious pve content, so i'm unsure why people are dropping so much on them. because it's "optimal"? because they might buff them some day? I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
It's different after you level them.1 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ippokrates wrote: »Today i got my first green companion ring. I am so happy ^^
But one thing is bothering me - those people who are selling this equipment. Do they really don't want to keep it for themselves and test it? Instead they prefer to sell unique equipments cause virtual money are their priority. But what if next patch companions would so massive boost they would turn into meta? At least for solo. Then they would grind even more? ^^
For me sold purple 1 hander for 300k cause it wasn't right triat wanted. I have sold boots, bow, resto staff cause I knew what I wanted. While I keep, the other purple one handler, jelwery, and heavy amour.
Mind you, used gold to buy 3 green pieces at 90ish total.
Edited by Starlight_Whisper on June 7, 2021 12:25AM1 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Today i got my first green companion ring. I am so happy ^^
But one thing is bothering me - those people who are selling this equipment. Do they really don't want to keep it for themselves and test it? Instead they prefer to sell unique equipments cause virtual money are their priority. But what if next patch companions would so massive boost they would turn into meta? At least for solo. Then they would grind even more? ^^
I'm not very excited by green/blue gear in the wrong traits.0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would stand to reason that if Zos added the companion system to help new players they would have made it available in the base game. There seem to be a great many players who have been around for a while that are using the companions and I doubt most of them are so new as they have a lot more CP than I do.1 -
Alurria✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would stand to reason that if Zos added the companion system to help new players they would have made it available in the base game. There seem to be a great many players who have been around for a while that are using the companions and I doubt most of them are so new as they have a lot more CP than I do.
They were not made just for new players I don't know where you are getting that from.1 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would stand to reason that if Zos added the companion system to help new players they would have made it available in the base game. There seem to be a great many players who have been around for a while that are using the companions and I doubt most of them are so new as they have a lot more CP than I do.
They were not made just for new players I don't know where you are getting that from.
@Alurria I did not say that companions were made for new players. Glad you agree with my statement that it it is clear they were not and that a great many players who are not new are using them.0 -
Supreme_Atromancer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To what degree are new or shy players owed easily obtainable blue or purple gear? If ZOS didn't want them to work for them, they would have made them much easier to obtain. That's the core of the problem, surely.
The other side of the coin is that ZOS design this stuff knowing there is market and competition that engages a lot of players - one of those emergent properties inherent in MMO design.
I personally don't think that new or shy players absolutely need to have blue or purple gear - its nice to have, and therefore something cool to work for.
In the meantime, if I'm lucky enough to get a blue ring drop, knowing just how rare they are, and knowing it might take a *very* long time before I see one again - I can set a price that, for me, is worth that wait.
People with rare items (or the huge amounts of real life time to dedicate to getting them) dictate the market to people with huge amounts of gold (or hours sunk into the game). You're appealing to the subset of those people who frequent the forums to change their ways, by telling them they are being selfish, when competition and acquisition are the pillars of the MMO format, and that's how those people naturally engage the game. To what degree is accessibility important, and in conflict with those pillars? ZOS decides that, not the players.Edited by Supreme_Atromancer on June 7, 2021 6:32AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »The price of new Chapter items is always sky high. New, broke players can buy white quality gear to tide them over until supply increases and prices drop.
I'd rather complain that ZOS has taken a step backwards in quality of life with Companion gear.
Think about it:
- if we want Player gear, we know exactly what to kill for a reasonable chance to get it.
- once we get it, we can transmute it to any known trait
- once we get it, it's included in the ssticker book, so we don't have to carry it around in case it later becomes the meta
Companion gear? Haha, it's like ZOS decided all those quality of life changes that benefit players should go out the window as soon as Companions arrive. Gotta get players to grind somehow!
How many sets are there for companions?
There are no sets with bonuses for Companions.
But that's not really the point.
There are 9 traits for their equipment, so figure about 324 items, if you wanted to collect them all in the Stickerbook, assuming no transmutation. Researching the traits would suck for completionists, but you can knock out a few important ones pretty fast and that would open up Transmutation.
Remember the bad old days when players ran Maelstrom Arena over and over again hoping for a sharpened Inferno staff, because there was no other way to get the correct trait?
We're back to that with Companion gear. Yes, you can buy it from guild traders, but that's no excuse for poor game design. Lets look at what happens when you try to equip your companions yourself. If you want an heavy chest with the Quickened trait, you have no idea where to farm it, and if you get a heavy chest with the aggressive trait on it instead, you have no way to change the trait. You've got about a 1 in 300 chance to get what you want, assuming you don't care about quality. If you do, add the green/blue/purple RNG on top of that. And if you throw out that Agressive piece, and it becomes the meta next update, it's gone - you have to search for it again.
In contrast, consider how player gear farming has changed. If you want an overland chest piece and don't want to pay for it, you know to go farm a world boss. Once you get it, you can improve the quality and transmute it to the trait you want. If you decide not to use it, it's in your stickerbook to be recreated if you need it later.
There's no reason to throw out the Quality of Life Advancements that we've gotten for player gear farming, except that ZOS wants us to grind, grind, grind for Companion gear.
But unlike Maelstrom staves, companion items are tradable, so people don't have to grind for specific gear pieces. It also gives new/casual players a chance to earn some extra gold. There's a lot of players who don't care about any type of minmaxing and use "meta" as an insult, so they can just sell their drops.
Prices are sky high now, but that's the case with any new items: motifs, gear and such. There's also this glitch that made companion gear disappear, who knows how many blues and purples were lost this way. I expect the price to go down drastically in a few weeks.
I've already addressed much of that, and none of it excuses ZOS' decision to return to bad game design they've moved away from with player gear.
Yes, we can buy companion gear from traders. So what? We can buy overland gear from traders too, and it's still beneficial to know exactly where to farm our jewelry, chest pieces, and weapons if we want to do so ourselves instead of paying others for it. It would be beneficial to have the same type of known locations to farm types of Companion gear too.
Yes, players don't have to care about the meta, but that doesn't mean it isn't beneficial to be able to transmute overland gear instead of farming it or buying it again in a new trait if you decide to try something different. Theorycrafters do it all the time. It would be beneficial to be able to transmute and recreate Companion gear from the stickerbook. Oh, and it would be really beneficial to be able to improve Companion gear.
I don't care about the high prices - new, rare items are always priced way too high after a Chapter launch. Companion gear is no different and prices will drop in the coming weeks.
What I do care about is that ZOS went back to a bad, outdated, and now defunct system for acquiring Companion gear.
Your excuse of "But new players can make gold selling their drops now" doesn't justify bad game design, especially since you yourself admit you think prices are going to drop soon. Does the short-term gold gain of new players really justify this?
- not knowing where to farm specific types of Companion gear
- not being able to improve Companion gear
- not being able to transmute Companion gear
- not being able to collect Companion gear in the stickerbook for future use
That's all bad game design that ZOS has fixed when it comes to player gear. The only reason they didn't extend it to Companion gear isn't because Companion gear is tradeable and new players can make gold now. It's because the Devs wanted another high RNG MMO grind for the new items.
I agree that it's stupid that we can't upgrade and retrait this stuff.
But since this stuff is tradable, and you only need one set per companion, it's not unreasonable to expect the prices to drop, the same way it happens with new motifs. There's already tons of green items (with good traits, too) easily available, and in a few weeks purples will follow.
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