What to do with your Champion Points after "CP 2.1" update?

Jamerth

After the brand new update, with the passives cut in half, i have received a massive CP refund, even if i am just a CP920 casual PVE magplar.

I have invested most of these points in stuff like the returning Master at Arms node, removed points from some of the passives that are currently almost useless and maxed out the slottables that i use and i am left with quite a few leftover CPs.

While we had CP 1.0-ish, every single CP i got was useful, and i felt quite powerful even if i was only CP300ish, then CP2.0 hit and my character turned into a wet noodle.

With CP2.1 (or whatever you prefer to call what happened after update 30) i can say i got some power back, but i have no clue what to do with the Champion Points that i did not use and the ones that i will gain from now on, because there are so very few passives, all of them underpowered and seeming to be a waste of CP and so many slottables, but we can only use 4 of those in each tree.

Any ideas what to do with all the remaining and upcoming champion points and if there is any reason one should even try to gain more CP from now on?

P.S.: and don't get me started with what happened to the proc sets, luckily i only use Ilambris and i love the new visual effect

Khenarthi

If you find out, let me know... I have 1900+ CP and I'm very casual, so passives + 4 slottables are all I need, really, because swapping around slottables for different content is something I keep forgetting.

So far, the refunded points are just sitting there, and the incentive to gain more points is pretty dead.

AcadianPaladin

Approaching CP1600 here. I have four slottables for each tree maxed that I am happy with. I have every passive maxed. The rest of my CP are not allocated, simply resting. The only potential I see is maxing out some more slottables for flexibility but since I don't plan to be swapping them around, that doesn't make any sense now.

More passives would be welcome.

Starlight_Whisper

Some things should be passive not active

xeNNNNN

Honestly, we need more passive non-slottables. There are now too many slottables now.

The only logical conclusion I can deduce is that they are trying to pre-emptively trying balance the game by restricting power. The problem with that is, the system becomes redundant beyond 1200 CP. At minimum. There is zero need nor desire from most players to even bother using heir points in other slots. Most people have X character for X role.

Right now, there is just too much redundancy for points.

Toanis

Is that already a question with 920CP?
You have 307 to spend, 200 go in actives, 20 go to main stat, 90 go to Extended Migh. Still need 10CP to get max DPS.

After that, 10% PVE damage reduction for another 30 points / 90CP?

Sirona_Starr

I'd rather go back to the old system really. At least every single cp was used all the time on a toon. I'd switch if I went into pvp and then back to pve, but otherwise 100% use. With just 4 slottables in blue and orange trees, and you slot the 4 most useful for most things, the rest of the stuff is just waste. No use, no benefit. For PC, green tree has an addon to auto re-slot when needed.

Need a significant increase in slots - like maybe 10 per tree? Or, a MAJOR increase in passive stars and decrease in slottable stars.

My points just sit there unassigned as well. I mean why would I put in the effort to assign if they are never going to be used anyway?

katorga

I have a hundred or so unused CP in red and blue. 1400ish CP. Nothing to spend it on.

I need the CP in the green tree, that is the only one where I want all of the slottables, and would actually use them. But no cost reductions for passives in that tree.

Gythral

wait 90days & try again - as it'll get changed again :{

Shantu

Hard to understand how forcing players to spend CP's on things they don't care about was a good idea. Oh yeah....it's called horizontal progression.

twev

I'm 1540, and besides the passives and 4 harvesting slots in the green tree, i have no use for anything in there, as well as 17 toons have only spent half the points in blue and red trees.

I haven't even looked at the trees since the update yesterday.

etchedpixels

CristyRazvan wrote: »

you prefer to call what happened after update 30) i can say i got some power back, but i have no clue what to do with the Champion Points that i did not use and the ones that i will gain from now on, because there are so very few passives, all of them underpowered and seeming to be a waste of CP and so many slottables, but we can only use 4 of those in each tree.

Mostly you didn't get any power back, they just reduced the cap so you got a nerf and refund.

At 960 there are still some more I want in red and blue trees. The green one sure I can stick things into possibly useful spaces but I can't be bothered to spend the day doing a totally stupid and immersion breaking change stuff in the cp tree window every few minutes.

Some of the appararently silly stuff does turn out useful though - the original zones have a load of mobs that were clearly carefully positioned so you had to interact with them to get the nearby mats. Now you stick 2m of reduction into your sneak and you can loot them all without a fight. In fact the sneak one on all of a group lets you cheese a ton of dungeon stuff.

kringled_1

I'm at CP 1782 as of this morning.

Green tree, all characters, I've used all my cp, have the 5 slottables I'll use and all passives maxed other than inspiration (not useful on my characters) and wayshrine cost.

Blue tree, for dps I have all passives other than off resource status effects/damage, and 6 slottables. Have maybe 40 some points floating around with no real plan. Even more on tanks where I don't have any other slottables I want to use. For healers it's different, because there are now enough slottables to consume all my cp depending on the situation as to which would be the most helpful.

Red tree I have again maxed all our almost all passives. Very little I want to change slottable wise for dps/healer, but there may be one or two I grab for tanks in places I don't roll dodge much.

GreenHere

Gythral wrote: »

wait 90days & try again - as it'll get changed again :{

Your comment made me chuckle, but also made me sad because I know how likely to be true it is :P

Feaky

I have almost 1600 CPs and now have many unused CPs in the blue tree and spent CPs on stuff I don't need in the other trees. I was looking forward to grinding more CPs over the summer, but with the changes, it seems pointless.

So non slottables were basically reduced in power and how much CPs could be spent in them, and more slottables were given to us, however we are still limited to 4.

This change seems totally pointless and stifles interest future CP advancement.

redlink1979

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Some things should be passive not active

Half, at least, of the green treen should be passives...

Jamerth

etchedpixels wrote: »

Now you stick 2m of reduction into your sneak and you can loot them all without a fight. In fact the sneak one on all of a group lets you cheese a ton of dungeon stuff.

That is awesome, i did not think about that!

And thank you everyone, some really great ideas here, not to mention the obvious consensus on the current status of the CP system should give ZOS something to think about!

Riverspirit

I agree, we need more passives in the trees. We can only slot 4, and the current trees aren't letting me spend points on anything I can actually use.

ADarklore

As mentioned by many, at some point these CPs are going to be useless unless they add more passives. Right now, we can only slot FOUR, and the overwhelming majority require slotting and most of those are pretty useless or extremely situational. So... we'll receive CP that won't ever benefit us at all because they require slotting but cannot slot them without giving up something that's actually useful.

Lord_Eomer

I was about to come back in Game and ZOS again messed up; bye guys may be another patch if they make things right one day

Wodwo

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

I'd rather go back to the old system really. At least every single cp was used all the time on a toon. I'd switch if I went into pvp and then back to pve, but otherwise 100% use. With just 4 slottables in blue and orange trees, and you slot the 4 most useful for most things, the rest of the stuff is just waste. No use, no benefit. For PC, green tree has an addon to auto re-slot when needed.

Need a significant increase in slots - like maybe 10 per tree? Or, a MAJOR increase in passive stars and decrease in slottable stars.

My points just sit there unassigned as well. I mean why would I put in the effort to assign if they are never going to be used anyway?

Do you know what the addon you referred to is called?

RaddlemanNumber7

CP1750. I'm back to having no progression again.

Gythral

it's not 2.1 it's 2.nerfed

Sylvermynx

@Wodwo - Jack of All Trades: https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2951-JackofallTrades.html#info

starlizard70ub17_ESO

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Honestly, we need more passive non-slottables. There are now too many slottables now.

The only logical conclusion I can deduce is that they are trying to pre-emptively trying balance the game by restricting power. The problem with that is, the system becomes redundant beyond 1200 CP. At minimum. There is zero need nor desire from most players to even bother using heir points in other slots. Most people have X character for X role.

Right now, there is just too much redundancy for points.

This is the exact thing I was thinking. I have different characters for different roles, so I can't see any reason to swap my slottables around. I'd just swap out my characters. Some of the slottables should be changed to passives because only very niche builds would ever use them as active.

rpa

About half of my chars still have no CP or skillpoints assigned from the great CP overhaul. Impressive procrastination, isn't it.

Xebov

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Honestly, we need more passive non-slottables. There are now too many slottables now.

The only logical conclusion I can deduce is that they are trying to pre-emptively trying balance the game by restricting power. The problem with that is, the system becomes redundant beyond 1200 CP. At minimum. There is zero need nor desire from most players to even bother using heir points in other slots. Most people have X character for X role.

Right now, there is just too much redundancy for points.

The new CP system nicely supports multiple roles on a single character. Thats the main issue ppl see now.

For players that only have their characters fill a single purpose or role the current situation is odd because they end up with free points and no place to logically dump them in.

On the other side you also have players with multiple purposes or roles. For example PvP/PvE or Support Role/DD. Iam a Tank player, so i have a support role thats not realy useable outside of group content, so i maintain a DD setup as well to get through Questing, Farming or Solo Arenas. Iam currently at CP1565 and i still dont have enought points to have all the passives and my Tank and DD slotables. I still need ~300-500 CP for that. CP1.0 didnt realy support this, and the first iteration of 2.0 would have required me to reach ~2500-2800 for this. Now i roughly need 1800-2000 for it. So iam at the opposite side with having to few points.

The problem is now that the majority of players are simply PvE DDs and of course they mainly fall into the first group.

What the CP system realy needs are not more passive, but more interesting active stars. Currently its realy straight forward what active stars should be taken for each build and there is no room for real choices because most use cases have their 3-4 stars.

Jamerth

Wodwo wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

I'd rather go back to the old system really. At least every single cp was used all the time on a toon. I'd switch if I went into pvp and then back to pve, but otherwise 100% use. With just 4 slottables in blue and orange trees, and you slot the 4 most useful for most things, the rest of the stuff is just waste. No use, no benefit. For PC, green tree has an addon to auto re-slot when needed.

Need a significant increase in slots - like maybe 10 per tree? Or, a MAJOR increase in passive stars and decrease in slottable stars.

My points just sit there unassigned as well. I mean why would I put in the effort to assign if they are never going to be used anyway?

Do you know what the addon you referred to is called?

I believe it's called Jack of all Trades, i hope this will help! There was another one called Dynamic CP, but i have not yet used any of them.

majulook

CP is just a poorly designed mini-game now. Sure you can slot stars based on what your doing, but it seems to just be another way to distract you from actually playing the game.

Going into a trail need to make star changes. Going to ride fast to get some where make star changes. Going to do pledge make star changes. going to craft make star changes. Going to open a chest make star changes. Going to use blade of woe make star changes. Going to pickpocket make star changes.

Add-ons help but the cool down for changes hurts.

zvavi

rpa wrote: »

About half of my chars still have no CP or skillpoints assigned from the great CP overhaul. Impressive procrastination, isn't it.

Only 5/18 characters are set up for me

BlueRaven

I went from:

“Yay! Gaining CP is important again!”

To;

“Gaining CP is meaningless again.”

In a three month span.