Viewing people's gear

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I think there should be an option that you enable as a character to display your gear. Or alternatively, have it work much like dueling. I could invite a character to "inspect gear" or something like that. If they say yes, I can see it. If not, I cant. The info page could display a character loaded similar to CMX, and perhaps even go further to include Motifs and Dye selections.

SilverBride

Anything that makes it easier for other players to judge you is a bad idea. The last thing we need is more elitism.

And WoW is a good example of how bad it can get. When they added additional dungeon and raid difficulties it only snowballed. You have normal, heroic, mythic, mythic+, mythic keys for even more difficulty. And yes other players look not only at your gear, but also your achievements... and if you don't meet their requirements you are excluded and humiliated.

We do not want ESO to turn into that.

Fennwitty

Strictly for the original intent of enforcing 'naked' fights -- just require participants to not wear costumes or outfits.

There's no outfit or costume that replicates the built-in 'naked' appearance of a character.

Edit: Though Jewelry would be an issue. Maybe allow bling.

JKorr

Depends on the bling. Purple/gold infused trait jewelry could be a bad idea.

Aertew

Fennwitty wrote: »

Strictly for the original intent of enforcing 'naked' fights -- just require participants to not wear costumes or outfits.

There's no outfit or costume that replicates the built-in 'naked' appearance of a character.

Edit: Though Jewelry would be an issue. Maybe allow bling.

They can still use the 'hide helmet' option though right?

Fennwitty

Aertew wrote: »

Fennwitty wrote: »

Strictly for the original intent of enforcing 'naked' fights -- just require participants to not wear costumes or outfits.

There's no outfit or costume that replicates the built-in 'naked' appearance of a character.

Edit: Though Jewelry would be an issue. Maybe allow bling.

They can still use the 'hide helmet' option though right?

Good thought, probably yes. Still that's a lot of hassle to lie about for a (relatively silly) naked vampire duel.

Aertew

Fennwitty wrote: »

Aertew wrote: »

Fennwitty wrote: »

Strictly for the original intent of enforcing 'naked' fights -- just require participants to not wear costumes or outfits.

There's no outfit or costume that replicates the built-in 'naked' appearance of a character.

Edit: Though Jewelry would be an issue. Maybe allow bling.

They can still use the 'hide helmet' option though right?

Good thought, probably yes. Still that's a lot of hassle to lie about for a (relatively silly) naked vampire duel.

True. But my idea was gonna be have a prize pool to make it enticing. Guess my best bet is make it a guild event only

Tsar_Gekkou

Ryuvain wrote: »

I can already see the excessive petty kicking. "Healer doesn't have full gold and spc." Before the group even moves.

99% of people don't care about gear. Besides, if the 5K snipe spammers aren't getting booted from dungeons the second they're noticed, people aren't gonna boot for not having the finest gear either.

Ryuvain

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

I can already see the excessive petty kicking. "Healer doesn't have full gold and spc." Before the group even moves.

99% of people don't care about gear. Besides, if the 5K snipe spammers aren't getting booted from dungeons the second they're noticed, people aren't gonna boot for not having the finest gear either.

You're assuming you know most the playerbase? This happens in every other mmo I've played, so why not this one?

kargen27

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think there should be an option that you enable as a character to display your gear. Or alternatively, have it work much like dueling. I could invite a character to "inspect gear" or something like that. If they say yes, I can see it. If not, I cant. The info page could display a character loaded similar to CMX, and perhaps even go further to include Motifs and Dye selections.

Something along these lines might work if it doesn't add more stress to the servers. Should be an option to auto decline though so that players that do not want to share do not see the request.
I like when others ask what my character is wearing though it is usually a cosmetic and not gear enquiry. That others would need to ask first would work for me.

Aertew

kargen27 wrote: »

If you make it optional then it really doesn't work for checking before a duel.

You seem very intent on turning this game into FF.

I suggested one thing that 2 MMO's have and suddenly I'm trying to change the game completely?

M_Volsung

Aertew

SilverBride wrote: »

Anything that makes it easier for other players to judge you is a bad idea. The last thing we need is more elitism.

And WoW is a good example of how bad it can get. When they added additional dungeon and raid difficulties it only snowballed. You have normal, heroic, mythic, mythic+, mythic keys for even more difficulty. And yes other players look not only at your gear, but also your achievements... and if you don't meet their requirements you are excluded and humiliated.

We do not want ESO to turn into that.

That's why I'm saying it could just be a option that you can opt out. Imo the worst that would happen is some guilds want you to enable it if they are hardcore. I doubt most would care as long as you can do mechanics and content.

rpa

Having the ability to examine gear of a friendly player would be useful feture in co-oprative mmos but this is a Elder Scrolls game where the multiplayer is stapled over the single player legacy. Too bad.

Tsar_Gekkou

Ryuvain wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

I can already see the excessive petty kicking. "Healer doesn't have full gold and spc." Before the group even moves.

99% of people don't care about gear. Besides, if the 5K snipe spammers aren't getting booted from dungeons the second they're noticed, people aren't gonna boot for not having the finest gear either.

You're assuming you know most the playerbase? This happens in every other mmo I've played, so why not this one?

Because the community of every mmo isn't exactly the same. Plenty of people say that this mmo has a better community than a lot of others, and being able to inspect gear wouldn't change that. Besides, people could already just ask you to link your gear and then vote to kick you if you refuse or link something subpar, and since that doesn't happen, why would this be any different?

Tigertron

Ryuvain wrote: »

I can already see the excessive petty kicking. "Healer doesn't have full gold and spc." Before the group even moves.

On PC if you are grouped this info is available already but those requirements are stated up front before you even sign up. PUGs are rarely done on vet trials and that’s the only place gear matters.

Go to https://www.esologs.com/ and look. You can see all the gear. All the abilities slotted. Damage done. Healing done. Even the rotation.

Amottica

Has Zos spoken to why they do not allow us to inspect other players' gear in-game? It would be great to know as it would put this question to rest, I expect.

kargen27

Aertew wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

If you make it optional then it really doesn't work for checking before a duel.

You seem very intent on turning this game into FF.

I suggested one thing that 2 MMO's have and suddenly I'm trying to change the game completely?

I made my comment based on more than this one thread. Don't want to hijack the thread though.

Being able to opt out of showing gear defeats the reason you gave for wanting to see others gear.

And naked vampire fighting sounds more suited to a guild event rather than something the game should try and facilitate.

Klad

This will be a excellent Idea, and we should implement it, just as soon as all toxicity and elitism is eradicated in MMO's

Seriously ESO has enough problems with that...why make it easier?

Sheezabeast

.....What happened to just whispering someone and asking then discretely what they are running?

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO

Only reason you’d want to hide your gear from others is if it’s not adequate for the dungeon / trial you are doing and are hoping for a carry (or you queued random vet thinking Wayrest Sewers I and got into a Scalecaller Peak). Sure some elitist folks will use it for the dark side, but screw ‘em.

Agenericname

Ryuvain wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

I can already see the excessive petty kicking. "Healer doesn't have full gold and spc." Before the group even moves.

99% of people don't care about gear. Besides, if the 5K snipe spammers aren't getting booted from dungeons the second they're noticed, people aren't gonna boot for not having the finest gear either.

You're assuming you know most the playerbase? This happens in every other mmo I've played, so why not this one?

In WoW, as opposed to ESO, gear plays a much larger role in how well a player performs their role. ESO is more skill based than gear based.

The information is already there, at least on PC, in dungeons most people don't care enough to even look.

I don't really think it's something that ESO needs per se, everything a function like this could accomplish is either available now, doesn't matter, or asking a player would solve, but I don't think there would be a significant increase in kicks.

xxthir13enxx

KEEP YER NOSE OUTAH MY JUNK

WrathOfInnos

It’s funny that people assume this would cause toxic behavior, when in reality it’s been in the game for two years now on PC and has almost no impact on player interactions. Apparently many still don’t know it exists.

I’ve been harassed about gear exactly zero times, even when I roleplayed as a Magden with Ice Furnace for Godslayer 😆. I have used gear logs to help optimize groups, make sure we don’t have redundant buffs. And one time a friend helped me realize I forgot to transmute a piece of jewelry I’d been using for weeks. Data is helpful, rarely hurtful.

kargen27

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It’s funny that people assume this would cause toxic behavior, when in reality it’s been in the game for two years now on PC and has almost no impact on player interactions. Apparently many still don’t know it exists.

I’ve been harassed about gear exactly zero times, even when I roleplayed as a Magden with Ice Furnace for Godslayer 😆. I have used gear logs to help optimize groups, make sure we don’t have redundant buffs. And one time a friend helped me realize I forgot to transmute a piece of jewelry I’d been using for weeks. Data is helpful, rarely hurtful.

There is a difference in log files that can be accessed afterwards and being able to see in game what someone is using before the activity starts.

WrathOfInnos

kargen27 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It’s funny that people assume this would cause toxic behavior, when in reality it’s been in the game for two years now on PC and has almost no impact on player interactions. Apparently many still don’t know it exists.

I’ve been harassed about gear exactly zero times, even when I roleplayed as a Magden with Ice Furnace for Godslayer 😆. I have used gear logs to help optimize groups, make sure we don’t have redundant buffs. And one time a friend helped me realize I forgot to transmute a piece of jewelry I’d been using for weeks. Data is helpful, rarely hurtful.

There is a difference in log files that can be accessed afterwards and being able to see in game what someone is using before the activity starts.

You can see everyone’s gear and skills after the first trash pull. I agree it’s mildly inconvenient to stop a log, upload, and view, but it takes maybe 30s and is available to anyone that wants it. Nobody cares about trolling others’ gear or kicking them because of it. People certainly use this to check out someone’s build if they see it performing well, which is an excellent feature and should be available more easily, and for console players.

ThorianB

Hard pass. Dungeon runs are toxic enough without some hall monitor patrolling gear choices.

kargen27

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It’s funny that people assume this would cause toxic behavior, when in reality it’s been in the game for two years now on PC and has almost no impact on player interactions. Apparently many still don’t know it exists.

I’ve been harassed about gear exactly zero times, even when I roleplayed as a Magden with Ice Furnace for Godslayer 😆. I have used gear logs to help optimize groups, make sure we don’t have redundant buffs. And one time a friend helped me realize I forgot to transmute a piece of jewelry I’d been using for weeks. Data is helpful, rarely hurtful.

There is a difference in log files that can be accessed afterwards and being able to see in game what someone is using before the activity starts.

You can see everyone’s gear and skills after the first trash pull. I agree it’s mildly inconvenient to stop a log, upload, and view, but it takes maybe 30s and is available to anyone that wants it. Nobody cares about trolling others’ gear or kicking them because of it. People certainly use this to check out someone’s build if they see it performing well, which is an excellent feature and should be available more easily, and for console players.

As I said earlier I wouldn't mind so long as players have to opt in.

Tsar_Gekkou

kargen27 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It’s funny that people assume this would cause toxic behavior, when in reality it’s been in the game for two years now on PC and has almost no impact on player interactions. Apparently many still don’t know it exists.

I’ve been harassed about gear exactly zero times, even when I roleplayed as a Magden with Ice Furnace for Godslayer 😆. I have used gear logs to help optimize groups, make sure we don’t have redundant buffs. And one time a friend helped me realize I forgot to transmute a piece of jewelry I’d been using for weeks. Data is helpful, rarely hurtful.

There is a difference in log files that can be accessed afterwards and being able to see in game what someone is using before the activity starts.

People could just ask everyone to link their gear at the start of the dungeon and vote kick anyone who refuses. That doesn't happen now, so seeing gear wouldn't change much of anything except cutting down on whispers asking what costume or style i'm using.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Snowstrider wrote: »

_Zathras_ wrote: »

Aertew wrote: »

Would be cool if we could since WoW and FF14 let you.

No.

Gear discrimination is very real in WoW. It adds even more toxicity to their community.

If you want that, you know where to find it. ESO doesn't need that "feature".

As if we already doesnt have that in ESO lol lets not pretend there is no elitist attitude in the community

Ne need to give them more tool tough