There are way more sets who needs a nerf bat.

CupcakePaparazzi

Phaedryn wrote: »

How about we stop gutting PvE for the sake of the smaller PvP population? Thanks.

I'm 80% sure Crimson was nerfed into the ground because WW were immortal in PVP and not because you could AFK without dying and possibly come back with a few things dead.

I REALLY want them to produce different gear rules for PVP and PVE. It helped them more easily balance things in GW2 and kept them from adding SO MUCH hate to PVE for people that aren't fans of PVP.

CupcakePaparazzi

Stevie6 wrote: »

The devs need to wake up and smell the roses. Nerf everything in PvP and buff the crap out of everything in PVE thus “raising the floor”. I hope someone at Microsoft looks at the forum threads and starts to make reasonable changes instead of nerf nerf nerf.

Just quoting this so it shows up again. I'm not crazy big on PVP unless I'm being forced into it. I actually enjoyed my WW in imp sewers this week when I decided to try out Crimson. I couldn't really kill any players but they also couldn't kill me and would leave me alone to kill things. Lol

Now I'll be back to hating pvp.

Merforum

CupcakePaparazzi wrote: »

Stevie6 wrote: »

The devs need to wake up and smell the roses. Nerf everything in PvP and buff the crap out of everything in PVE thus “raising the floor”. I hope someone at Microsoft looks at the forum threads and starts to make reasonable changes instead of nerf nerf nerf.

Just quoting this so it shows up again. I'm not crazy big on PVP unless I'm being forced into it. I actually enjoyed my WW in imp sewers this week when I decided to try out Crimson. I couldn't really kill any players but they also couldn't kill me and would leave me alone to kill things. Lol

Now I'll be back to hating pvp.

This is exactly true, ALL crimson ever could do is make you live a little longer. It was totally underpowered already and the real fix would have been to make the DELAY 3-4 sec instead of 2 sec. The only people who hated it were gankers and 1vXers who think they are entitled to kill everyone in the game in 2 seconds.

cheemers

Merforum wrote: »

CupcakePaparazzi wrote: »

Stevie6 wrote: »

The devs need to wake up and smell the roses. Nerf everything in PvP and buff the crap out of everything in PVE thus “raising the floor”. I hope someone at Microsoft looks at the forum threads and starts to make reasonable changes instead of nerf nerf nerf.

Just quoting this so it shows up again. I'm not crazy big on PVP unless I'm being forced into it. I actually enjoyed my WW in imp sewers this week when I decided to try out Crimson. I couldn't really kill any players but they also couldn't kill me and would leave me alone to kill things. Lol

Now I'll be back to hating pvp.

This is exactly true, ALL crimson ever could do is make you live a little longer. It was totally underpowered already and the real fix would have been to make the DELAY 3-4 sec instead of 2 sec. The only people who hated it were gankers and 1vXers who think they are entitled to kill everyone in the game in 2 seconds.

This is absurd. Crimson was a set that was the holy grail for 1vXers - a set that dramatically got stronger the more outnumbered you were. In the interest of balance, we've been calling for it to be adjusted, even when it was extremely strong for our preferred play style.

People need to think about the overall health of the game and not whatever particular class or build is taking your fancy this week. There is so much bias for individuals' personal preference rather than taking a holistic view. That probably comes from playing the game longer and in different ways.

Final point - it's fine to be inexperienced about something, but it's probably not a good idea to emphatically shout about your area of inexperience. In this case it's fairly obvious that you're perhaps not the most experienced PvPer, so friendly suggestion to perhaps put down the megaphone and step off the soapbox.

divnyi

Merforum wrote: »

the real fix would have been to make the DELAY 3-4 sec instead of 2 sec.

So you could combo with subassault/blastbones on reaction, and not on setup

GRXRG

cheemers wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

CupcakePaparazzi wrote: »

Stevie6 wrote: »

The devs need to wake up and smell the roses. Nerf everything in PvP and buff the crap out of everything in PVE thus “raising the floor”. I hope someone at Microsoft looks at the forum threads and starts to make reasonable changes instead of nerf nerf nerf.

Just quoting this so it shows up again. I'm not crazy big on PVP unless I'm being forced into it. I actually enjoyed my WW in imp sewers this week when I decided to try out Crimson. I couldn't really kill any players but they also couldn't kill me and would leave me alone to kill things. Lol

Now I'll be back to hating pvp.

This is exactly true, ALL crimson ever could do is make you live a little longer. It was totally underpowered already and the real fix would have been to make the DELAY 3-4 sec instead of 2 sec. The only people who hated it were gankers and 1vXers who think they are entitled to kill everyone in the game in 2 seconds.

This is absurd. Crimson was a set that was the holy grail for 1vXers - a set that dramatically got stronger the more outnumbered you were. In the interest of balance, we've been calling for it to be adjusted, even when it was extremely strong for our preferred play style.

People need to think about the overall health of the game and not whatever particular class or build is taking your fancy this week. There is so much bias for individuals' personal preference rather than taking a holistic view. That probably comes from playing the game longer and in different ways.

Final point - it's fine to be inexperienced about something, but it's probably not a good idea to emphatically shout about your area of inexperience. In this case it's fairly obvious that you're perhaps not the most experienced PvPer, so friendly suggestion to perhaps put down the megaphone and step off the soapbox.

He is probably one of those stamdens, stamcros or stamdks who slotted crimson till now and said: oh wow i am good at the game O.O, I am so strong. When in reality he got carried by it and without it he cannot even hold 1 single player onto him, so now he sees his carry set nerfed and he cries, sad reality.

Everyone plays what the hell they want in the end it's a game of builds and metas, but I would appreciate a bit of self awknowledge of things like this, you are free to play crimson and win lot of 1vX, but have the honest to don't call it underpowered at least.

MrZeDark

Phaedryn wrote: »

How about we stop gutting PvE for the sake of the smaller PvP population? Thanks.

Agree agree!! Though the thread creator does comment in that - more PvP centric people NEED to start chirping in about this.

Break apart PvE dmg from PvP damage — tired of ‘balance’ because a set or ability is too powerful in PvP, while it undermines PvE unnecessarily.

AgentUriel

The only benefit I see to crimson in PvE is trivializing soloing through dungeons, overland, and overperfoming in pvp. Nobody in trials will be wearing this set. If anyone cares, after the nerf, please tell me another use for it that it would be used for? That one deserved the nerf rightfully imo.

miteba

If everyone asks for nerfs to every set that they can't counter... Soon we will all play naked!

(Edit to clarify comment)