There are way more sets who needs a nerf bat.

GRXRG

Finally ZoS listened and nerfed atrocious carry noob sets like crimson and unleashed terror.

But if you don't nerf even other problematic sets people will just simply switch to them, venomous mite will be the new unleashed, caluurion still untouched nobody knows why, and the evergreen king of all proctards: zaan: destroy this stupid set please, make it in battle spirit so in pve people plays what they want, but nerf by 75% the damage of it in pvp, it's stupid how you get hit by 6k damage after just 2 seconds.

Vate destro even if will become cleanseable, still does too much damage. Another way could be to short the tethers-beams into 3 meters range.

Please ZoS, you are pointing in the right direction, but do it good for every free damage/healing set.

So just do it now and save yourself months of whining in the forum for the love of God.

Thanks.

Phaedryn

How about we stop gutting PvE for the sake of the smaller PvP population? Thanks.

FantasticFreddie

Uh the range on Zaan is super short, you need to be right in someone's face to proc it, and manage to hit them with a light or heavy attack.
I can't even remember the last time it showed up on my death recap.

DreadDaedroth

There are way more sets that should be buffed.

Galarthor

PvE needs that nerf too. It is already way too easy. For much of the group content you don't even need healers or tanks. Many mechanics are simply out-dpsed. How much cheesier to you want PvE to become?

gariondavey

Yup, nerfing unleashed so swapping to venomous smite most likely. If they nerf them all I'll go back to pure stat, but the amount of extra pressure you can apply in a limited time with proc sets is more valuable than some stats. @Waffennacht has explained this many times before mathematically

jaws343

Every mag set you listed is effectively nerfed because no mag user will be able to stack enough spell damage on a viable build to get the damage back anywhere near what it is on live right now.

Ishtharo

Phaedryn wrote: »

How about we stop gutting PvE for the sake of the smaller PvP population? Thanks.

PvP gets gutted for PvE all the time. Besides, this guy has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to ranges.
Point stands though, it over-performs in PvE as well.

Kaysha

gariondavey wrote: »

Yup, nerfing unleashed so swapping to venomous smite most likely. If they nerf them all I'll go back to pure stat, but the amount of extra pressure you can apply in a limited time with proc sets is more valuable than some stats. @Waffennacht has explained this many times before mathematically

I don´t know if you tested venomous smite on PTS, but you´re about to have an unpleasant wake up...

xylena_lazarow

Zaan always seemed easy to counter to me, but I'm with you on gutting Vatesh destro. The range should be shortened to the same 8m as Zaan, and it needs to obey LoS.

Earthgore makes large scale PvP miserable. Pugs need to be able to stick ultimates like Negate to have a fighting chance against ball groups, not have them auto deleted by a freakin proc set.

Very confused why Maelstrom 2H was nerfed but Vatesh 2H is okay? Should require fully charged heavy.

Waffennacht

@kaysha what are you testing on PTS? Stam builds can still utilize their proc, also ironically Stam can now use mag procs better than mag.

katorga

Waffennacht wrote: »

@kaysha what are you testing on PTS? Stam builds can still utilize their proc, also ironically Stam can now use mag procs better than mag.

Lol, yep.

Has anyone tested if procs account for the bloodthirsty trait while scaling?

YandereGirlfriend

I was honestly expecting Vateshran 2H to come in for a nerf but it somehow managed to escape.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

Oh yes, nerf magicka sets even more because mag builds are so dominant in pvp right now right? Give me a break. It's bad enough that mag's ability to utilize procs is being wrecked this "patch", and now this. Lol.

Vevvev

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Uh the range on Zaan is super short, you need to be right in someone's face to proc it, and manage to hit them with a light or heavy attack.
I can't even remember the last time it showed up on my death recap.

Not only to add Zaan can be purged. After the last time my poor magDK had all her DoTs and Zaan get purged I hung that set up and picked up something else.

FrancisCrawford

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Zaan always seemed easy to counter to me, but I'm with you on gutting Vatesh destro. The range should be shortened to the same 8m as Zaan, and it needs to obey LoS.

Earthgore makes large scale PvP miserable. Pugs need to be able to stick ultimates like Negate to have a fighting chance against ball groups, not have them auto deleted by a freakin proc set.

Very confused why Maelstrom 2H was nerfed but Vatesh 2H is okay? Should require fully charged heavy.

A staff that augments Elemental Drain needs a long range to be useful in PvE. (Soloing perhaps aside.)

Do what you want about cleansing or LoS, as those are PvP concerns. But after this severe nerf to the damage, don't also nerf the range.

Waffennacht

Vateshran destro is so much better on stam now lol

OlumoGarbag

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

Oh yes, nerf magicka sets even more because mag builds are so dominant in pvp right now right? Give me a break. It's bad enough that mag's ability to utilize procs is being wrecked this "patch", and now this. Lol.

Zaan and vate destro arent magicka exclusive. Many stam chars play with those two.

Brrrofski

Zaan isn't that bad. Quite easy to break and has a long cool down.

Syvaras scales, vat destro and vat 2h remain problematic I think.

I think they need a nerf.

And nobody is using them for PvE, so nobody come back with that. And if they are, it's a tiny percent. So to quote the second post in this thread, they shouldn't remain that strong for a "smaller population" of people that use them in pve.

jecks33

Brrrofski wrote: »

they shouldn't remain that strong for a "smaller population" of people that use them in pve.

imagine devasting PVE damage procsets & monstersets, healing procsets & monstersets, tanking procsets & monstersets for what, 100/200 people that play pvp? just imagine....

Brrrofski

jecks33 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

they shouldn't remain that strong for a "smaller population" of people that use them in pve.

imagine devasting PVE damage procsets & monstersets, healing procsets & monstersets, tanking procsets & monstersets for what, 100/200 people that play pvp? just imagine....

Ask most PvP playes and the scaling thing wasn't what they would have wanted.

They wanted 6 or 7 sets nerfed. None of the used in serious PvE and are easily interchangable with others for casual PvE.

Merforum

jecks33 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

they shouldn't remain that strong for a "smaller population" of people that use them in pve.

imagine devasting PVE damage procsets & monstersets, healing procsets & monstersets, tanking procsets & monstersets for what, 100/200 people that play pvp? just imagine....

How true that is, and it's actually probably 10 PVP 1vXers (also 10 trial dummy parsers) and their fans who someone is listening to. Imagine listening to the very people who complain about and insult you continuously.

Long_Distance

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vateshran destro is so much better on stam now lol

2H Vateshran Maul front bar, ice staff Vateshran back bar, probably the new meta.

colossalvoids

Zaan and Caluurion's, what year are we in, 2019?

GRXRG

Ishtharo wrote: »

Phaedryn wrote: »

How about we stop gutting PvE for the sake of the smaller PvP population? Thanks.

PvP gets gutted for PvE all the time. Besides, this guy has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to ranges.
Point stands though, it over-performs in PvE as well.

Maybe it's because i play on pc-eu where performance is crazy trash, but i got footage of me dying to zaan while los and over 20 meters range, the beam couldn't freaking break because my hitbox wasn't where is see, no matter how hard i try it seems way longer in range than intended.
When instead i use it, people with one dodge roll make it vanish on them.

Could be performed i get that, but still that kind of free damage together with vate destro needs to be gutter at least in pvp.

Just a simple battle spirit option could be it. While have battle spirit proc damage and healing reduced by 50%, simple as that.

gariondavey

Kaysha wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Yup, nerfing unleashed so swapping to venomous smite most likely. If they nerf them all I'll go back to pure stat, but the amount of extra pressure you can apply in a limited time with proc sets is more valuable than some stats. @Waffennacht has explained this many times before mathematically

I don´t know if you tested venomous smite on PTS, but you´re about to have an unpleasant wake up...

Oh really?

divnyi

Venomous will never be unleashed substitute. It requires crit (no mala), it has high cooldown vs 0 cooldown, it can be purged once in 10s. Nerfing unleashed makes so much sense in high-tier MMR premade BGs, where unleashed and oblivion's foe make good part of death recap.

As for other sets: add *** 75% damage scaling to battle spirit and call it a day.

gariondavey

divnyi wrote: »

Venomous will never be unleashed substitute. It requires crit (no mala), it has high cooldown vs 0 cooldown, it can be purged once in 10s. Nerfing unleashed makes so much sense in high-tier MMR premade BGs, where unleashed and oblivion's foe make good part of death recap.

As for other sets: add *** 75% damage scaling to battle spirit and call it a day.

Except you can use mala and still crit now. Venomous works on crit charge

OutLaw_Nynx

Ya’ll are wild for wanting nerfed sets....

Sleep724

gariondavey wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Venomous will never be unleashed substitute. It requires crit (no mala), it has high cooldown vs 0 cooldown, it can be purged once in 10s. Nerfing unleashed makes so much sense in high-tier MMR premade BGs, where unleashed and oblivion's foe make good part of death recap.

As for other sets: add *** 75% damage scaling to battle spirit and call it a day.

Except you can use mala and still crit now. Venomous works on crit charge

So can Defiler and scavenging demise too.

Stevie6

The devs need to wake up and smell the roses. Nerf everything in PvP and buff the crap out of everything in PVE thus “raising the floor”. I hope someone at Microsoft looks at the forum threads and starts to make reasonable changes instead of nerf nerf nerf.