Most nerfed class?

5_RAGEsMW

Nightblade got gutted hard in elsewyr and including performance got substantially worse during the dragonhold dlc update hence why i rate elsweyr as bottom tier compared to other expansions. The stam NB for pvp at least is back to what used to be really strong bursty class. PVE the mag nb is still very strong but its the worst out of mag necro, warden, and sorc. Its there at the bottom with mag templar as a pve dps. Stam has always been a meme for pve. I just wish they would get rid of incap cast times its so annoying. NB is a very dynamic class and having that cast time in our rotation its just disgusting.

yurimodin

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

I've been keeping a list. My Templar healers have suffered more than five dozen nerfs since launch. Now, not all of those nerfs were entirely class-related, but clearly healers in general and Templar-healers in particular have been over-nerf'd since launch.

pour one out for Earthgore

and healing orbs.....

Nord_Raseri

Dragonknight

For me, toss-up between dk and templar

biovitalb16_ESO

Dragonknight

Hands down DK, close second is NB.

Everything that made DKs fun and unique was basically stripped from them. Probably hard to buff them since DK tank game is so strong compared to everyone else.

martinhpb16_ESO

Nightblade

Warden got votes lol

notyuu

Templar

I miss the days when templar was more than just "jabs: the class"

Jem_Kindheart

Nightblade

NB for sure in terms of amount and strength of nerfs. If it was OP there at the beginning, idk.. I didn't notice that probably because it took me a few years to actually bother with tryhard and doing more than button mashing lolol.

Occasionally it would be repeated they were overperforming in PVP, maybe they were. They probably were lol, idk.

It would seem to me that NB is the leading example of getting gutted in PVE because they couldn't balance it in PVP. It's whatever, I recognize it must be hard balancing both together.

Yeah, Sorc and DK have had a lot of nerfs, some pretty dumb ones by all agreement. But those classes still have at least some of their class identity intact. NB have just about lost not just most/all class strength but also identity. They make okay farmers and occasional sneak thieves, but that's about it now.

Athan1

Templar

It's very insightful to read people's views on this! Up until now we had separate nerf discussion threads for each class, but now all these threads are coming together to actually put things in perspective. Here I just want to give some perspective on the main points that arose.

I do find it surprising that some people voted Wardens and Necros, just logically speaking the four base classes had many more years to be nerfed. Consensus points in the direction of three bases classes having been hit the most: NB, Templar, and DK, in this order.

Nightblades were probably nerfed the most because their single target damage output must have been overtuned since launch. As such, all those nerfs must have been aiming to bring them down to the level of other classes. Not justifying this view, just trying to understand!

Templars and Dragonknights originally occupied the niche areas of healer class and tank class respectively. Unfortunately, both of them had to be gutted in order to make space for the new DLC classes, Warden and Necro who are BiS for most roles. In fact Warden is arguably the new BiS healer and the second BiS tank (after DK). The fact that DK remains the best tank probably explains why it's in the third position after Templars. Sadly Templars are not BiS in anything anymore, just good healers and mediocre dd. Meanwhile, DKs just excel in tanking and solo really.

Somehow Sorcerers dodged most bullets and remain one of the best classes (something shown by the ongoing Cyrodiil no proc situation).

Of course Wardens and Necros will remain strong as long as they are DLC. Over time Wardens are essentially integrated in the base game which now includes Morrowind, so people will not have to pay for them anymore. Hopefully, this will lead to them being nerfed and brought down on par with the other base classes. Necros will remain overtuned until a new DLC class is released (hopefully never).

Bottomline is DLC classes are the main reason for any nerfs to our favourite classes so please stop asking for more classes

Athan1

Templar

Since it's relevant, here's an interesting summary of Templar nerfs by @Joy_Division

Puncturing Strikes stunned targets and healed for more. Now no more stun (instead just a snare) and it heals for much less.
Biting Jabs stunned targets and acted as quasi execute. Now it just snares and gives a generic buff available elsewhere.
Focused Charge was fast, responsive, and managed to hit opponents without the need for unpurgable auto-snare. Now it’s slow, bugs out, and places a snare on my opponents even if they are using a specific ability that makes them immune.
Spear Shards stunned an opponent, had a longer relative range to other skills before Battle Spirit, and gave me the conscious ability to provide stamina to my allies. Now it doesn’t stun, I do not have a choice what resource it restores, and every other class can replicate this once unique ability via the Undaunted Skill line. Also, this used to tick twice as fast and thus twice as many Burning Light procs
Blazing Shield was once a functional defense shield for all templars as it was based off health, an attribute the game’s mechanics used to encourage us to invest in. Now it’s a suboptimal choice for all templars excepting niche builds that stack max health.
The Balanced Warrior passive used to benefit all templar’s damage. Now it only does so for “stamplars”
Eclipse use to always reflect just about everything in the game for 7.2 seconds and had no targeting restrictions. Now only one morph only reflects projectiles and it only lasts for 3.5 seconds.
I use to have a skill called Blinding Flashes that gave melee opponents a unique miss chance debuff. It’s now gone.
The Restoring Spirit passive used to restore magicka when casting a Dawn’s Wrath ability. Now it’s just a generic small cost reduction (that is subject to diminishing returns).
The Remembrance ultimate morph used to provide my allies with damage reduction. Now it doesn’t.
Breath of Life once had an additional heal and no targeting restrictions.
Restoring Aura once provided allies (and the templar) a bonus to their stam recovery not available anywhere else in the game. Now it debuffs six enemies with a generic debuff that restores magicka to my allies if they attack specific target.
Repentance once restored health and stamina to the templar and her allies from corpses. Right now it is the last of the mechanics in ESO that once reward successful smaller sized groups overcome disorganized masses. On the PTS, this is gone as it’s just a situational AoE heal and only the templar gains stamina.
Cleansing ritual used to cleanse debuffs and incoming projectiles. Now, no more projectiles and it’s more expensive.
Focused Healing passive once gave me a unique 30% healing buff to allies standing in my protective circles. Now this is called Mending and gives a 12% buff if I am standing in my protective circles. If I combine it with the new Sacred Ground Passive, I can get an additional 8%. So in total 10% less.
Mending once passive gave me a higher chance to critically heal a low health target. This is now gone completely.

For more info check my other thread https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562687/since-i-joined-recently-can-you-explain-the-history-of-templar-nerfs/p1

Joy_Division

Dragonknight

Athan1 wrote: »

Since it's relevant, here's an interesting summary of Templar nerfs by @Joy_Division

Puncturing Strikes stunned targets and healed for more. Now no more stun (instead just a snare) and it heals for much less.
Biting Jabs stunned targets and acted as quasi execute. Now it just snares and gives a generic buff available elsewhere.
Focused Charge was fast, responsive, and managed to hit opponents without the need for unpurgable auto-snare. Now it’s slow, bugs out, and places a snare on my opponents even if they are using a specific ability that makes them immune.
Spear Shards stunned an opponent, had a longer relative range to other skills before Battle Spirit, and gave me the conscious ability to provide stamina to my allies. Now it doesn’t stun, I do not have a choice what resource it restores, and every other class can replicate this once unique ability via the Undaunted Skill line. Also, this used to tick twice as fast and thus twice as many Burning Light procs
Blazing Shield was once a functional defense shield for all templars as it was based off health, an attribute the game’s mechanics used to encourage us to invest in. Now it’s a suboptimal choice for all templars excepting niche builds that stack max health.
The Balanced Warrior passive used to benefit all templar’s damage. Now it only does so for “stamplars”
Eclipse use to always reflect just about everything in the game for 7.2 seconds and had no targeting restrictions. Now only one morph only reflects projectiles and it only lasts for 3.5 seconds.
I use to have a skill called Blinding Flashes that gave melee opponents a unique miss chance debuff. It’s now gone.
The Restoring Spirit passive used to restore magicka when casting a Dawn’s Wrath ability. Now it’s just a generic small cost reduction (that is subject to diminishing returns).
The Remembrance ultimate morph used to provide my allies with damage reduction. Now it doesn’t.
Breath of Life once had an additional heal and no targeting restrictions.
Restoring Aura once provided allies (and the templar) a bonus to their stam recovery not available anywhere else in the game. Now it debuffs six enemies with a generic debuff that restores magicka to my allies if they attack specific target.
Repentance once restored health and stamina to the templar and her allies from corpses. Right now it is the last of the mechanics in ESO that once reward successful smaller sized groups overcome disorganized masses. On the PTS, this is gone as it’s just a situational AoE heal and only the templar gains stamina.
Cleansing ritual used to cleanse debuffs and incoming projectiles. Now, no more projectiles and it’s more expensive.
Focused Healing passive once gave me a unique 30% healing buff to allies standing in my protective circles. Now this is called Mending and gives a 12% buff if I am standing in my protective circles. If I combine it with the new Sacred Ground Passive, I can get an additional 8%. So in total 10% less.
Mending once passive gave me a higher chance to critically heal a low health target. This is now gone completely.

For more info check my other thread https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562687/since-i-joined-recently-can-you-explain-the-history-of-templar-nerfs/p1

This list needs serious updating. The nerfs come so fast and often that it's hard to keep track.

DTStormfox

Dragonknight

Dragonknight, especially Magicka Dragonknight, has seen better days (both in PvE and PvP).
Although, Stamplar and Magblade would share second place in my list of most nerfed classes.

Sangwyne

Dragonknight

The class with the absolute most nerfs to it would probably be Nightblade, as it used to be quite strong, but it sounds like you were asking which one is in the worst spot currently after all the nerfs, and there's no way that isn't DK. When the class consistently pulls the least damage and healing in the game, there's really only one role you can take it on, which leads to people thinking it's durable because they keep seeing it on tank. No. That's the only role it can find room on because it's the only role where it can barely conceal its multiple glaring weaknesses. No Major Protection, Minor Protection, Minor Resolve, flat hp, % HP, or purge, and the only class in the game without a heal scaling off Max HP. GDB doesn't need to scale off missing health, it's a death sentence in PvP and Veteran content.

We have more votes for the worst sustain in the game than every other class combined:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/563487/pve-what-class-got-the-worst-sustain/p1

We have more votes for the worst healing in the game than every other class combined:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/571267/what-is-the-worst-healing-class-2021

We have the worst damage in the game. It's so bad, Alcast lists DK under the worst damage category in his tier list, twice, when there's only 3 spots in the entire category! The category might as well just say "DK lmao".
https://alcasthq.com/eso-dps-tier-list-best-damage-classes/ (updated for Blackwood)

We are tied with Templar for the worst PvP class in the game. Except Templar just got buffed.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/568150/pvp-tierlist-for-flames-of-ambition/p1
(Sniker's tier list, dozens of experienced PvP players come together each patch to form their lists)

We are the worst solo class in the game, likely due to the worst healing, sustain and damage.
youtube.com/watch?v=C_AcbWZZtwc (luckyghost, 2nd most popular ESO streamer behind Alcast), starting at 1:41
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/best-solo-class-in-eso-2020 (91k subs)

When do we wake up and realize the class is careening off the edge of the Grand Canyon? It's like the meme where Loki complains that he's been free-falling for thirty minutes, except that DK's taken a nosedive for over a year now.

Bashev

Dragonknight

Sangwyne wrote: »

The class with the absolute most nerfs to it would probably be Nightblade, as it used to be quite strong, but it sounds like you were asking which one is in the worst spot currently after all the nerfs, and there's no way that isn't DK.

I am just curious, why do you think that NB had most nerfs? The class is way stronger that it used to be when the game launched and the class did not lost a single iconic skill.

Sangwyne

Dragonknight

Bashev wrote: »

I am just curious, why do you think that NB had most nerfs? The class is way stronger that it used to be when the game launched and the class did not lost a single iconic skill.

Uh, IDK that I agree with that. From reading some of the responses here, seems pretty clear that Nightblade was much different and much stronger. Cloak has been nerfed quite a bit, their gank potential was likewise gutted, and I seem to recall they were topping the damage charts and leaderboards not so long ago, even just last year.

That being said, a class getting nerfs because it was overperforming and a class getting nerfed just because are two very different things. Nightblade could probably use a slight buff, but DK needs Phoenix Down and a therapist for PTSD.

olsborg

Nightblade

nukk3r wrote: »

Literally a shadow.

Yup

MooseKnuckles88

Templar

To each their own, but I can't see how templar can be over looked. Sure nightblade and sorcs have been hit hard, but nearly every class has been at some point and every class has made some sort of comeback too, but templar dps isn't what it used to be. Remove the damn channel from crescent sweeps and buff solar barrage please!

Bashev

Dragonknight

Sangwyne wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

I am just curious, why do you think that NB had most nerfs? The class is way stronger that it used to be when the game launched and the class did not lost a single iconic skill.

Uh, IDK that I agree with that. From reading some of the responses here, seems pretty clear that Nightblade was much different and much stronger. Cloak has been nerfed quite a bit, their gank potential was likewise gutted, and I seem to recall they were topping the damage charts and leaderboards not so long ago, even just last year.

That being said, a class getting nerfs because it was overperforming and a class getting nerfed just because are two very different things. Nightblade could probably use a slight buff, but DK needs Phoenix Down and a therapist for PTSD.

I guess most of the people are talking about the last 2-3 years and they do not include all the nerfs since launch. Now it is clear why the chart results are like this.

The most nerfed class is DK then closely followed by Templars. Sorcs and NBs got some nerfs but they kept their identity pretty well while DKs and Templars lost their identities.

magnusthorek

Templar

"Be whatever you want and play the way you want... unless your choice of class is Templar"

That would be a valid slogan for ESO

Septimus_Magna

Dragonknight

DKs and Sorcs were disgustingly strong at the start of the game, sorcs were quickly nerfed but DKs were plain OP for a pretty long while. Like many I ran S&B on my magsorc in PVP for the double reflect just to bypass DKs wings that reflected everything back into my face. Trails had mostly DK at the start, by far the best tank and also the best DD in early days.

So much has changed for DKs so I'd say they're the most nerfed class.

miteba

Templar

I played/play with all classes regularly , since the begining, both in PvE (except vet trials) and PvP.
I'll take Warden and Necro out of the poll (i play with both of them too) because they are newer...

Imo the class that really lost more identity (by far) was the Templar class, followed by Dragonknight and Nightblade and with some distance Sorcerer.

The lost of identity is not only explained by power spikes but skills changes and their utility.
Templar has been always stripped of something along the years, not just 1 or 2 updates, and was somewhat cannibalized by the introduction of Warden class.
The other classes suffered from changes on some iconic skills too and therefore lost some identity but not with the same pace and never so hard.

RedFireDisco

Nightblade

Magblade. Every patch it became hilarious to see direct or indirect nerfs

GrimTheReaper45

Sorcerer

Sorc 100%

- Shields to 6s
- Frag losing stun
- Off balance
- Dark exchange getting recourses back on delay
- Runecage
- Shields capped by health
- Shields taking crit damage
- Streak increased cost
- Overload #3rd bar + elegant nerf + empowered change

Templar is 2nd

colossalvoids

Nightblade

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

- Overload #3rd bar

Wish to forget it was there, probably one of those things I miss the most in sorc kit.

ccfeeling

Nightblade

4 NB became carbinets

MrDenimChicken

Nightblade

Ceejengine wrote: »

I think it was absolutely deserved almost the entire time, but to me its Nightblade.

Also what I'm happy to see is several different people declaring magblade is OP and stamblade is trash, then an equal number saying stamblade is God tier and magblade is trash.

That tells me that my favorite class is decently balanced.

I personally think at this point ZoS should take ALL the classes (and however many they have planned for xpacs) and take a second look into class design. Move stuff around to make each class have strong themes.

Each class should have a unique buff, a unique debuff, and a strong overall theme that their 3 skill lines all adhere to.

Like the Nightblade should be the primo fear & shadow magic class. Fear shouldn't be available outside of NB or specific gear sets, or turn evil.

Dragon Knights should go back to DoT class and have consistent ability interaction with flame damage & the burning DoT.
(For example, searing strike: when used on burning target, cause that target to inferno, dealing AoE damage. Or Inhale, you drink in the Burning DoT, healing X, then exhale, dealing x flame damage burst.)

Et cetera.

Also I think they should find a way to create a pseudo-class CP tree so that people can permenantly slot things like sorc daedra or Warden bear.

I think its a bit unfair to require a skill to take up 2 slots just to be usable as intended.

aint nobody saying magblade is OP. No1 plays magblade. And every youtube "tier list" has magblade at or near the bottom for pvp.

Flaaklypa

Nightblade

NB

Tommy_The_Gun

Nightblade

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Warden got votes lol

Necro too... like whaaat ?!

ESO_Nightingale

i don't think warden and necro shouldn't even be on the list, accounting for them being DLC classes and not subject to as many changes as the other classes, especially not necro.

Mayrael

Nightblade

Ez

Nyladreas

NB And DK 😢 wish I could vote for both as both have been my main and most favorite classes. Both of my characters I played since launch are now useless garbage compared to what they were.. and more importantly...

Their uniqueness and class identity went down the drain... 😢 All that remains is their theme... But functionally they're just horrible.

Oh yeah and that pretty cloak is just ... just.... Yeah.......