Most nerfed class?

Athan1

Enlighten us older players, which class has been more systematically gutted and nerfed to Oblivion over the years, to the point where it's just a shadow of its former self?

nukk3r

Nightblade

Literally a shadow.

Seraphayel

Dragonknight

I'd say Dragonknight.

Grebcol

Nightblade

NB and Dk are the most nerfed class. But out of the two i would say NB even more.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Sorcerer

Hard to decide between sorc and dk, but I guess I go for sorc.
- They could get enough ultimate cost reduction to have the batswarm ultimate permanently active.
- Magicka was a lot stronger than stamina, which made negate much more powerful in pvp than today.
- If you had 2-3 Sorcs in your group, you could chain your negates to have an area permanently negated.
- You could negate trial boss mechanics.
- Streak didn't get a cost increase for rapeated use.
- Shields weren't capped to max hp and only scaled with max magicka.

FrancisCrawford

Nightblade

There was one patch where something like 5 of my top 6 skills on my magblade were nerfed at once, mainly class skills. That was brutal.


I don't recall all the particulars now, but obviously Funnel Health and Twisting Path headed the list.

Athan1

Templar

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Hard to decide between sorc and dk, but I guess I go for sorc.
- They could get enough ultimate cost reduction to have the batswarm ultimate permanently active.
- Magicka was a lot stronger than stamina, which made negate much more powerful in pvp than today.
- If you had 2-3 Sorcs in your group, you could chain your negates to have an area permanently negated.
- You could negate trial boss mechanics.
- Streak didn't get a cost increase for rapeated use.
- Shields weren't capped to max hp and only scaled with max magicka.

Am I reading this right?! All these sound like OP broken mechanics to me, low-key exploits! Thank the Divines and all the Stars in the sky that these were removed from the game!

Grandchamp1989

Templar

Athan1 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Hard to decide between sorc and dk, but I guess I go for sorc.
- They could get enough ultimate cost reduction to have the batswarm ultimate permanently active.
- Magicka was a lot stronger than stamina, which made negate much more powerful in pvp than today.
- If you had 2-3 Sorcs in your group, you could chain your negates to have an area permanently negated.
- You could negate trial boss mechanics.
- Streak didn't get a cost increase for rapeated use.
- Shields weren't capped to max hp and only scaled with max magicka.

Am I reading this right?! All these sound like OP broken mechanics to me, low-key exploits! Thank the Divines and all the Stars in the sky that these were removed from the game!

Meanwhile "Templar got more than 1 functional skill? Neeeerf it!"

Templar must forever be the one-skill class.

Sanguinor2

Dragonknight

Need an option for all of the base game classes. All of them got nerfed a lot.
I´d say that templars and dks lost the most of unique tools between the 4 of them. Nightblades and sorcs retained streak/cloak/shadow image respectively alltho nerfed while templar lost blinding flashes, stun on shards and dks lost old FoO/Cinder storm/reflecting wings.

Tommy_The_Gun

Nightblade

Hands down, most gutted class in ESO. Mag is barely playable and Stam is only playable because there are many non-class good stamina abilities.

I will always remember the term "Redundancy Removal". It is burned into my head. ZOS tried to make Necro more appealing without making it too OP (they did it anyway lol), so the easiest way was to eliminate competition... base game competition. NB just happened to be standing in a way, as they are the most similar it terms of theme. Summoning dark spirits, siphoning live, de-buffing enemies...

It was so obvious that when it happened (during Elsweyr update) not only nb-mains saw that. People even were concerned that ZOS focused more on to "what to remove from NB" than to make Necro playable (at release Necro had a lot of bugs).

Same thing happened to Templar, when ZOS introduced Warden class. But, a lot of time has passed and Templar kinda recovered from those nerfs... but NB (mag in particular) did not. There are simply too many things (like cast times, travel times, bugged unreliable cloak etc) that make the class clunky, difficult to play and even not competitive. Right now we have "no-proc" pvp, so it kinda makes the class playable (mostly stam), but as soon as we will have proc sets back, NB will again fall down.

colossalvoids

Nightblade

It's actually pretty hard to decide between dk and blade, buy I felt it more over the years on nb definitely. Gladly nerfed the most isn't the same as the most useless due to indirect nerfing/buffing over the same years.

Mitrenga

Nightblade

I did not experience DK much and my templar is a pure healer, thus I felt the nerfs on my NB a lot!
First, ZOS killed my saptank, then my DW magblade. Both were hell of a fun to play!

Faded

Templar

I'm tempted to say nightblade, it's been nerfed a ton, kit stripped and warped, but taking the long view I think templar has had it the worst. They got to shine for a while not that long ago, so people forget how hard that class got smashed and how long they stayed down.

PVP perspective, Idc enough about endgame PVE to keep track of its meta shifts or how well each spec parses.

PrimusTiberius

Nightblade

ZOS just didn't nerf the Nightblade, that wasn't enough for them, they hanged, drawn and quartered it until there was nothing left.

Then you have Dragonknight, then Templar. I'm now waiting to see how they'll gut the Warden, you know that's next.

Idinuse

Sorcerer

2015-2017 Templars.
2017-2020 Sorcerers.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Sorcerer

Athan1 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Hard to decide between sorc and dk, but I guess I go for sorc.
- They could get enough ultimate cost reduction to have the batswarm ultimate permanently active.
- Magicka was a lot stronger than stamina, which made negate much more powerful in pvp than today.
- If you had 2-3 Sorcs in your group, you could chain your negates to have an area permanently negated.
- You could negate trial boss mechanics.
- Streak didn't get a cost increase for rapeated use.
- Shields weren't capped to max hp and only scaled with max magicka.

Am I reading this right?! All these sound like OP broken mechanics to me, low-key exploits! Thank the Divines and all the Stars in the sky that these were removed from the game!

I'm not saying all those nerfs were unjustified

Wing

Dragonknight

DK didnt get cost increase or sideways nerfs from something like shields being changed as a whole, it lost entire functionality of the class as a whole, through game choices and direct removal.

wings used to reflect.
chains had vertical targeting.
leap had vertical targeting.
talons had no immobilize cd.
dynamic ult gen was the core of its resource regen.
corrosive armor used to effect dot damage not just direct. (dot class btw)
flame lash had no cd on secondary hit.
inhale was worth slotting as draw essence restored magicka based on % damage dealt.
venomous claw and noxious breath had red flames rather then baby green. (still upset about this)
molten armaments had an execute effect.
fragmented shield dealt damage.
obsidian shield ally shield strength was also based on DK hp, DK's used to shield tank the whole raid group.
helping hands was % stamina restore not static value
battle roar was % not static value.
warden did not exist
necro did not exist

et
cetra

the1andonlyskwex

Nightblade

Nightblade is most nerfed, but most of the nerfs were deserved. (One example: Funnel Health used to do twice as much damage, while healing for more and costing half as much as it does now, at a time when most other spammables were pretty close to the current standard.)

Rampeal

Templar

I still lament my Blazeplar. R.I.P

WaltherCarraway

Dragonknight

Wing wrote: »

DK didnt get cost increase or sideways nerfs from something like shields being changed as a whole, it lost entire functionality of the class as a whole, through game choices and direct removal.

wings used to reflect.
chains had vertical targeting.
leap had vertical targeting.
talons had no immobilize cd.
dynamic ult gen was the core of its resource regen.
corrosive armor used to effect dot damage not just direct. (dot class btw)
flame lash had no cd on secondary hit.
inhale was worth slotting as draw essence restored magicka based on % damage dealt.
venomous claw and noxious breath had red flames rather then baby green. (still upset about this)
molten armaments had an execute effect.
fragmented shield dealt damage.
obsidian shield ally shield strength was also based on DK hp, DK's used to shield tank the whole raid group.
helping hands was % stamina restore not static value
battle roar was % not static value.
warden did not exist
necro did not exist

et
cetra

/thread

Gythral

Customer

furiouslog

Templar

Templar. Nightblades in general are difficult to play in PVP, but magblades are amazing in PVE right now - up there with magcros. Stamblades have little to offer. Templar is awful on both sides.

Chriagon

Nightblade

Nightblade for sure. It's also the least fun class imo.

Joy_Division

Dragonknight

1. DK
2. Templar
3. Nightblade
4. Sorcerer

TequilaFire

Templar

Templar's took an arrow to the knee for Warden's.

AllPlayAndNoWork

Nightblade

Nightblade.. Specifically magicka.

TwinLamps

Dragonknight

NB possibly the most, but it had significant buffs as well.
DK is second most nerfed, but buffs are nowhere as frequent so it feels very bad compared to NB.
Templar would be 3rd most nerfed class, but zos tend to buff them as well quite often.
And sorc is least nerfed of all vanilla classes.

Fawn4287

Templar

I have watched people post more 1v1s without a weapon on against 1000+ CPs whilst playing stamblade, I watched a video of a guy with literally a mace and a bow on with not a single other piece of armour on drop a 16k crit relentless on an 1100 CP magcro. Stamblade damage is actually just far too high and grossly overtuned and anyone who wants to argue post a video of any other class dropping anything close to 16k damage attack this patch with nothing but a weapon on. The class hits so hard that you actually don’t even need a damage set, khajit + nightblade passives + shadow mundas in medium gives the same damage than someone in 2 5 piece damage sets and ZOS see nothing wrong with it.

Meanwhile magblade is hot garb that can barely be buffed without making stamblade even stronger and templar is just a yikes against anyone with thumbs and shuffle as it has a total useful toolkit of 1 channeled spammable (that hits weaker than an incap buffed surprise attack) a cleanse/aoe heal and an ult thats got an alright mag morph and useless stam morph (lol what good is empowered when you can weaving between jabs is next to impossible in the cyrodil lag).

BXR_Lonestar

Templar

Templar for sure IMO.

And people STILL complain that it is OP/too easy to play to get high DPS.

iksde

Im split between all basic cless with currently sorc least if still using both pets for dps in pve

dk and templar both was insanelly gutted just to sell wardens and necros, yes wardens and necros got all passivas taken away from dk and templar

and nb in overall was also gutted very much over time in name of homogenization everything, to be on par with rest, lost so many unique skills, their working...(welp along of other classes but some classes had more unique skills than others)

Ceejengine

Nightblade

I think it was absolutely deserved almost the entire time, but to me its Nightblade.

Also what I'm happy to see is several different people declaring magblade is OP and stamblade is trash, then an equal number saying stamblade is God tier and magblade is trash.

That tells me that my favorite class is decently balanced.

I personally think at this point ZoS should take ALL the classes (and however many they have planned for xpacs) and take a second look into class design. Move stuff around to make each class have strong themes.

Each class should have a unique buff, a unique debuff, and a strong overall theme that their 3 skill lines all adhere to.

Like the Nightblade should be the primo fear & shadow magic class. Fear shouldn't be available outside of NB or specific gear sets, or turn evil.

Dragon Knights should go back to DoT class and have consistent ability interaction with flame damage & the burning DoT.
(For example, searing strike: when used on burning target, cause that target to inferno, dealing AoE damage. Or Inhale, you drink in the Burning DoT, healing X, then exhale, dealing x flame damage burst.)

Et cetera.

Also I think they should find a way to create a pseudo-class CP tree so that people can permenantly slot things like sorc daedra or Warden bear.

I think its a bit unfair to require a skill to take up 2 slots just to be usable as intended.