Imperial Race is still locked behind paywall

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Aertew wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I am very confused, is his argument that since they made IC free they should make imperials free too? I can't see the logical jump here.

Imperial race is paywalled.
Imperial race was a base game race for other Elder Scroll games like Skyrim.
Imperial race should be base game.

People shouldn't be against it as the devs already have many sources of income in the game.

Imperial city DLC was made free as well, so it wouldn't be the first

TL;DR make imperial race part of the base game.

This is eso not skyrim so it doesn matter AT ALL what was base game or not in another game

Imperial city is only free as a last resort to increase it population not as a kind gesture


Also the whole tamriel was base game in arena, should they give you all dlc for free then?

Dark_Lord_Kuro

driosketch wrote: »

Anonx31st wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Anonx31st wrote: »

Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.

The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.

I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.

Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.

So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.

Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.

My Imperial horse Mr. Buttercup isn't cheap...

@Anonx31st
Um, I meant if you had the CE, the white Imperial Horse was sold in the stable for 1 gold, while the next... inexpensive horse was 10-15k gold.

What? Mine was added automaticly to my collection
Was that before causole launch?

Imryll

[quote="Kiralyn2000;c-7230930"

(disclaimer: I'm also baffled by the "why do they hate Bretonians so much" thread. I just have a hard time understanding being so into the lore or a specific race, that you'd get incensed about how much coverage they get in a game. So maybe I just don't get it. /shrug)[/quote]

It doesn't amaze me that someone is that into the lore of a specific race. It does amaze me that they think that the "why do you hate" approach is the best way to make sure that ZOS is aware of their concern and motivated to keep it in mind when planning future content. It's so much more likely that they've either not considered it or already plan to use the remainder of the island in a DLC.

driosketch

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Anonx31st wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Anonx31st wrote: »

Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.

The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.

I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.

Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.

So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.

Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.

My Imperial horse Mr. Buttercup isn't cheap...

@Anonx31st
Um, I meant if you had the CE, the white Imperial Horse was sold in the stable for 1 gold, while the next... inexpensive horse was 10-15k gold.

What? Mine was added automaticly to my collection
Was that before causole launch?

Maybe? It was before the collection menu, when individual mount training, rather than character rider training, was a thing.

Also, you used to be able to only put 50 points into each mount. Full disclosure: the month before the change, I got two more white horses on my characters to do double/tripple daily horse training because our characters would inherit the top stats across all their mounts.

Aertew

A few expansions are now rolled into the base game, which came after Imp race. No reason to NOT make them part of it.

"But the early adopters, they'll want refunds" to bad. You buy something early, get the pleasure of using it before anyone who didn't buy it. Where are all the threads about how Orsinium buyers need a refund? Nowhere.

No real reason to keep severely old content gated. Esp when newer content is no longer gated. It might just be a simple oversight on their part and it should have been lowered or integrated into the game.

But I seriously doubt that $20 bucks is doing more than keeping the lights on (JUST the lights) for *maybe* a whole day.


PS - If you really think ESO is ZoS only revenue stream, then I have beachfront property in the Mojave desert to sell you.[/quote]

Exactly. There are so many other ways they make money so there really isn't a reason for it to be free now. I mean they even bundles morrowind into the base game which i'm actually happy.

Aertew

Azurya wrote: »

you don´t really need, but you obvious want it!!!!
and then you you must get yourself a job, earn money and buy it, thereafter you can be lazy again.
just make it happen.

Consume product dont ask questions

Ippokrates

Kartalin wrote: »

Elsweyr is base game now too. But you still have to pay extra for Warden and Necro, just like we’ve always had to pay extra for Imperial from launch. Just that most got it from the imperial collector’s edition rather than having to add it on later, same as how the new classes were part of their respective chapters and now exist as extra paid content in the crown store.

No, I have bought ESO last September and get Morrowind intro with Warden for free.

SkorosMindkiller

Ippokrates wrote: »

No, I have bought ESO last September and get Morrowind intro with Warden for free.

I believe it depends on which version you purchase. If you buy the current (or upcoming) chapter full edition, you get all the previous chapters. That means if you purchased Greymoor standard or collector's edition, you have access to the base game, Morrowind, Elsweyr, and Summerset, including the Warden (and Necromancer?). It looks like Standard includes just Morrowind (including Warden) and the base game. Note that the base game now includes Imperial City and the two dungeons. Elsweyr is not base game, it's DLC, and unlocks with Plus, but not Necromancer.

I believe you can "upgrade" with the latest/upcoming chapter full edition and unlock all previous chapters included.

Looking at my purchase history, I've spent $1,651.40 on this game since release. But that's still only 63¢ per day, or 21¢ per hour played.

AuraStorm43

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

Kartalin

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.

Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.

master_vanargand

This game is not all free.
The company needs to make money.
Imperial isn't the best races, but it's cool.
I paid in honor of the creators.

Chaos2088

Well get ready to buy more races in the future....

laksikus

This is ESO not a TES main series game. Not everything has to be the same as in Skyrim.

Kwoung

Aertew wrote: »

Imperial Race is still locked behind paywall

The entire planet (Earth) is locked behind a paywall, you need to pay to play... or you can live on the street, or go live off the land... its a personal choice. But generally, to get "extras" in life, you pay for them, especially in a capitalist society.

Paywall... I don't get it. Of course you have to pay for stuff, otherwise the game wouldn't exist!

Woozywyvern

Meh, all I see is a bunch of people wanting something but not willing to put their hands in their pockets. Business as usual I guess.

Ippokrates

SkorosMindkiller wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

No, I have bought ESO last September and get Morrowind intro with Warden for free.

I believe it depends on which version you purchase. If you buy the current (or upcoming) chapter full edition, you get all the previous chapters. That means if you purchased Greymoor standard or collector's edition, you have access to the base game, Morrowind, Elsweyr, and Summerset, including the Warden (and Necromancer?). It looks like Standard includes just Morrowind (including Warden) and the base game. Note that the base game now includes Imperial City and the two dungeons. Elsweyr is not base game, it's DLC, and unlocks with Plus, but not Necromancer.

I believe you can "upgrade" with the latest/upcoming chapter full edition and unlock all previous chapters included.

Looking at my purchase history, I've spent $1,651.40 on this game since release. But that's still only 63¢ per day, or 21¢ per hour played.

I bought the cheapest version on steam.

AuraStorm43

Kartalin wrote: »

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.

Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.

Or ZOS could just move it outta the paywall, yeah they run a business but making the game more accessible to everyone is a good idea. And no, I will not pay for ESO+, not after the game breaking bugs introduced in the last PS4 patch

I dunno why people are under the delusion that moving more things outside of the paywall will hurt ZOS’s bottom line, this game is monitized to hell and back

Goregrinder

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.

Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.

Or ZOS could just move it outta the paywall, yeah they run a business but making the game more accessible to everyone is a good idea. And no, I will not pay for ESO+, not after the game breaking bugs introduced in the last PS4 patch

I dunno why people are under the delusion that moving more things outside of the paywall will hurt ZOS’s bottom line, this game is monitized to hell and back

I just don't think ZOS's investors see how that would actually help their bottom line, and generate them more profit.

itscompton

Aertew wrote: »

Seriously, the imperial race is one of the things that really hurts this game's reputation and image. Imagine trying to get a friend into ESO and then they ask if they can play as a imperial.
"Well for $20 yeah! Or you can just sub $15 to unlock all the DLC" Seriously races should never be locked in a TES game. Imagine if Skyrim had a imperial race DLC? I don't get it.

Not only that but they made Imperial city free. So it's not like they can't just make it free. People who bought the pack can still play any race any faction. It's the imperial race-behind-locked-behind-$20 that is just dumb and predatory. I get the devs want people to pay for subs and try to make it appealing, but we already have to do deal with painfully slow research times and the mounts being trained only once a day. I get paying for expansions and DLC. But a race? Really?

Please, just make it part of the game like it should've been long ago.

Why would your hypothetical friend be all about being an Imperial in the first place if they're not already into the game? I highly doubt this is a situation that has happened irl more than a couple of times, if at all. Just be honest: You want to make an Imperial and don't want to pay the $20.

jssriot

I got the imperial Edition back in 2015, maybe earlier because I bought the game and it was months before I actually played it. But while I don't think it's as bad as the OP makes out, it does feel super archaic now that it's still an upgrade that newer players have to buy.

Honestly, though, if you're THAT into Imperials you probably will get your money's worth out of the upgrade, just like I have with the buying the necro upgrade.

Kartalin

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.

Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.

Or ZOS could just move it outta the paywall, yeah they run a business but making the game more accessible to everyone is a good idea. And no, I will not pay for ESO+, not after the game breaking bugs introduced in the last PS4 patch

I dunno why people are under the delusion that moving more things outside of the paywall will hurt ZOS’s bottom line, this game is monitized to hell and back

My point was that they could potentially alienate people who have already paid for the content, instead of trying to satisfy people who have not paid for the content.

what_the

Starlock wrote: »

Mythreindeer wrote: »

You also have to pay for 2 of the classes. At least with the Imperial race you’re not missing much as far as gameplay.

It is what it is. Pay or not pay. In the end it’s not that big a deal.

If you as a customer value your time and money, it is rather a big deal that video game developers these days have taken to cutting out content from finished products to sell back to the customers for an additional fee.

If by "cutting content" you mean expansions, etc. well, Everquest did this over 20 years ago, and we gladly bought everyone of them...

Tandor

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

In order to substantiate your claim, please confirm for how long your personally-owned company made a profit before being able to afford to relax your charging practice.

Ahashra

First MMO I played with races behind a paywall was SWG, with the JTLS expansion being 2004. They even had their own version of crow crates, but they were digital card packs which SOMETIMES had loot. It’s not really a new thing.

Nastassiya

Ahashra wrote: »

First MMO I played with races behind a paywall was SWG, with the JTLS expansion being 2004. They even had their own version of crow crates, but they were digital card packs which SOMETIMES had loot. It’s not really a new thing.

I played from launch to NGE. The game was already going down hill so that was a way to try inject funds. Imperial Race was a launch collectors edition upgrade.

Bradyfjord

The paywalls would disappear if ESO went to subscription only.

GarnetFire17

Starlock wrote: »

Mythreindeer wrote: »

You also have to pay for 2 of the classes. At least with the Imperial race you’re not missing much as far as gameplay.

It is what it is. Pay or not pay. In the end it’s not that big a deal.

If you as a customer value your time and money, it is rather a big deal that video game developers these days have taken to cutting out content from finished products to sell back to the customers for an additional fee.

uhhh, no. the base game was a finished game, then they added additional things, that you could get, or not. I remember back in the day, you didn't get patches for a game. It was just, ah they game had bugs? oh well, too bad, that's just the game for you, no refunds. Just because a game get's a bunch of patches later that makes the game better doesn't mean it was "unfinished."

Imperial City and and Morrowind/warden class were added free with the base game because it's it made the game more attractive to new player and gave a reason to raise the price for buying the game a little bit. It was good for the health of the game for ZOS's business. Adding the Imperial race is so in consequential it would not do much at to make the game better for everyone so ZOS might as well keep a separate charge for people to spend their crowns on (which you used to not even be able to get it with crowns). Now if you were talking about adding Jewlery Crafting, Antiquities and Necromancer to the base game. Then I am listening because those are much more impactful features. I think eventually they will get around to it.

GarnetFire17

Bradyfjord wrote: »

The paywalls would disappear if ESO went to subscription only.

Except for the one big paywall everything is behind.

Aertew

Tandor wrote: »

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be

In order to substantiate your claim, please confirm for how long your personally-owned company made a profit before being able to afford to relax your charging practice.

To be fair the sell all the expansions for $60 rn, at least on steam.
$20+1 $40 expansion=$60

$40+$40+$40+$40+$40=$200

So it's not far fetced making orsinium free, or at least the imperial race.

EmEm_Oh

Imperial Race is easily obtained if you do a sub or buy crowns during a sale and that's one of your goals. Very inexpensive to get as long as you're not impulsive, then it's like around 2500 Crowns or something.