I am very confused, is his argument that since they made IC free they should make imperials free too? I can't see the logical jump here.
Imperial race is paywalled.
Imperial race was a base game race for other Elder Scroll games like Skyrim.
Imperial race should be base game.
People shouldn't be against it as the devs already have many sources of income in the game.
Imperial city DLC was made free as well, so it wouldn't be the first
TL;DR make imperial race part of the base game.
driosketch wrote: »driosketch wrote: »Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.
Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.
My Imperial horse Mr. Buttercup isn't cheap...
@Anonx31st
Um, I meant if you had the CE, the white Imperial Horse was sold in the stable for 1 gold, while the next... inexpensive horse was 10-15k gold.
Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »driosketch wrote: »driosketch wrote: »Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.
Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.
My Imperial horse Mr. Buttercup isn't cheap...
@Anonx31st
Um, I meant if you had the CE, the white Imperial Horse was sold in the stable for 1 gold, while the next... inexpensive horse was 10-15k gold.
What? Mine was added automaticly to my collection
Was that before causole launch?
Elsweyr is base game now too. But you still have to pay extra for Warden and Necro, just like we’ve always had to pay extra for Imperial from launch. Just that most got it from the imperial collector’s edition rather than having to add it on later, same as how the new classes were part of their respective chapters and now exist as extra paid content in the crown store.
Ippokrates wrote: »No, I have bought ESO last September and get Morrowind intro with Warden for free.
AuraStorm43 wrote: »The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall
Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be
Imperial Race is still locked behind paywall
SkorosMindkiller wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »No, I have bought ESO last September and get Morrowind intro with Warden for free.
I believe it depends on which version you purchase. If you buy the current (or upcoming) chapter full edition, you get all the previous chapters. That means if you purchased Greymoor standard or collector's edition, you have access to the base game, Morrowind, Elsweyr, and Summerset, including the Warden (and Necromancer?). It looks like Standard includes just Morrowind (including Warden) and the base game. Note that the base game now includes Imperial City and the two dungeons. Elsweyr is not base game, it's DLC, and unlocks with Plus, but not Necromancer.
I believe you can "upgrade" with the latest/upcoming chapter full edition and unlock all previous chapters included.
Looking at my purchase history, I've spent $1,651.40 on this game since release. But that's still only 63¢ per day, or 21¢ per hour played.
AuraStorm43 wrote: »The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall
Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be
What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.
Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.
AuraStorm43 wrote: »AuraStorm43 wrote: »The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall
Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be
What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.
Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.
Or ZOS could just move it outta the paywall, yeah they run a business but making the game more accessible to everyone is a good idea. And no, I will not pay for ESO+, not after the game breaking bugs introduced in the last PS4 patch
I dunno why people are under the delusion that moving more things outside of the paywall will hurt ZOS’s bottom line, this game is monitized to hell and back
Seriously, the imperial race is one of the things that really hurts this game's reputation and image. Imagine trying to get a friend into ESO and then they ask if they can play as a imperial.
"Well for $20 yeah! Or you can just sub $15 to unlock all the DLC" Seriously races should never be locked in a TES game. Imagine if Skyrim had a imperial race DLC? I don't get it.
Not only that but they made Imperial city free. So it's not like they can't just make it free. People who bought the pack can still play any race any faction. It's the imperial race-behind-locked-behind-$20 that is just dumb and predatory. I get the devs want people to pay for subs and try to make it appealing, but we already have to do deal with painfully slow research times and the mounts being trained only once a day. I get paying for expansions and DLC. But a race? Really?
Please, just make it part of the game like it should've been long ago.
AuraStorm43 wrote: »AuraStorm43 wrote: »The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall
Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be
What? You do realize ZOS is running a business here. And it's best to not tick off their paying customers.
Pay for a sub if you want to play the older DLC for a month.
Or ZOS could just move it outta the paywall, yeah they run a business but making the game more accessible to everyone is a good idea. And no, I will not pay for ESO+, not after the game breaking bugs introduced in the last PS4 patch
I dunno why people are under the delusion that moving more things outside of the paywall will hurt ZOS’s bottom line, this game is monitized to hell and back
Mythreindeer wrote: »You also have to pay for 2 of the classes. At least with the Imperial race you’re not missing much as far as gameplay.
It is what it is. Pay or not pay. In the end it’s not that big a deal.
If you as a customer value your time and money, it is rather a big deal that video game developers these days have taken to cutting out content from finished products to sell back to the customers for an additional fee.
AuraStorm43 wrote: »The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall
Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be
First MMO I played with races behind a paywall was SWG, with the JTLS expansion being 2004. They even had their own version of crow crates, but they were digital card packs which SOMETIMES had loot. It’s not really a new thing.
Mythreindeer wrote: »You also have to pay for 2 of the classes. At least with the Imperial race you’re not missing much as far as gameplay.
It is what it is. Pay or not pay. In the end it’s not that big a deal.
If you as a customer value your time and money, it is rather a big deal that video game developers these days have taken to cutting out content from finished products to sell back to the customers for an additional fee.
Bradyfjord wrote: »The paywalls would disappear if ESO went to subscription only.
AuraStorm43 wrote: »The idea that ZOS needs the money from this at this point is laughable, it shouldn’t be behind a paywall
Tbh i’d like a majority of the older content such as orsinium, the guild content, and the older dungeon packs to be made free. If imperial city was moved off and i don’t see why more DLC shouldn’t be
In order to substantiate your claim, please confirm for how long your personally-owned company made a profit before being able to afford to relax your charging practice.