Imperial race is paywalled.
Imperial race was a base game race for other Elder Scroll games like Skyrim.
Imperial race should be base game.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.
You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
driosketch wrote: »Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.
Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.
driosketch wrote: »Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.
Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.
I am very confused, is his argument that since they made IC free they should make imperials free too? I can't see the logical jump here.
Imperial race is paywalled.
Imperial race was a base game race for other Elder Scroll games like Skyrim.
Imperial race should be base game.
People shouldn't be against it as the devs already have many sources of income in the game.
Imperial city DLC was made free as well, so it wouldn't be the first
TL;DR make imperial race part of the base game.
ESO is not Skyrim. What was base game in Skyrim is entirely irrelevant for ESO.
You know what else was base game with Skyrim, the Solitude and Markarth portions of the world map. You know what requires payment to play? The Solitude and Markarth portions of the game map.
Again, almost as if it takes more work to make a entire new map than a single race.
Stop strawmaning.
You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
driosketch wrote: »Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.
Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.
My Imperial horse Mr. Buttercup isn't cheap...
Seriously, the imperial race is one of the things that really hurts this game's reputation and image. Imagine trying to get a friend into ESO and then they ask if they can play as a imperial.
"Well for $20 yeah! Or you can just sub $15 to unlock all the DLC" Seriously races should never be locked in a TES game. Imagine if Skyrim had a imperial race DLC? I don't get it.
Not only that but they made Imperial city free. So it's not like they can't just make it free. People who bought the pack can still play any race any faction. It's the imperial race-behind-locked-behind-$20 that is just dumb and predatory. I get the devs want people to pay for subs and try to make it appealing, but we already have to do deal with painfully slow research times and the mounts being trained only once a day. I get paying for expansions and DLC. But a race? Really?
Please, just make it part of the game like it should've been long ago.
I was using it as a way to show that skyrim made basic stuff like races part of the game.
I get that the company needs to make money to support and its MMO. But my main point is that 1. Paying for a race is just kinda dumb. 2. Even if you were to buy it you don't get as much value as something like a expansion.
Also, the devs aleady have alot of stuff made like Expansions, dungeons, mounts, cosmetics, crown crates, and the smaller zones and DLC.
The main point of this post is thst ESO is already heavily monetized and there isn't really a big reason to make people pay for imperial.
I was using it as a way to show that skyrim made basic stuff like races part of the game.
Ippokrates wrote: »Yeah, Imperials are getting better with each patch (have one DK, great guy) but the real value of WHOLE 2100 crown packet are outstanding outfits. Seriosly, IMHO they far better developed than all race outfits from pre-TU ESO.
Oh, and newcomers need only to buy one class: Necro, because Warden is in standard game with Morrowind.
I am very confused, is his argument that since they made IC free they should make imperials free too? I can't see the logical jump here.
Imperial race is paywalled.
Imperial race was a base game race for other Elder Scroll games like Skyrim.
Imperial race should be base game.
People shouldn't be against it as the devs already have many sources of income in the game.
Imperial city DLC was made free as well, so it wouldn't be the first
TL;DR make imperial race part of the base game.
ESO is not Skyrim. What was base game in Skyrim is entirely irrelevant for ESO.
You know what else was base game with Skyrim, the Solitude and Markarth portions of the world map. You know what requires payment to play? The Solitude and Markarth portions of the game map.
Again, almost as if it takes more work to make a entire new map than a single race.
Stop strawmaning.
You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
I was using it as a way to show that skyrim made basic stuff like races part of the game.
I get that the company needs to make money to support and its MMO. But my main point is that 1. Paying for a race is just kinda dumb. 2. Even if you were to buy it you don't get as much value as something like a expansion.
Also, the devs aleady have alot of stuff made like Expansions, dungeons, mounts, cosmetics, crown crates, and the smaller zones and DLC.
The main point of this post is thst ESO is already heavily monetized and there isn't really a big reason to make people pay for imperial.
Nastassiya wrote: »You do understand that the money they make off this doesn't only fund ESO, right? What is being made from ESO is helping fund other projects, like TESVI. Also, if they suddenly make the Imperial race free then they would have a lot of people upset that paid money just to get that race.
They made imperial city free and I don't think anyone complained.
Also it's $20???? you act like if we take away this $20 the company is gonna go bankrupt? I mentioned a bunch of other sources of Income they have in ESO.
I was using it as a way to show that skyrim made basic stuff like races part of the game.
I get that the company needs to make money to support and its MMO. But my main point is that 1. Paying for a race is just kinda dumb. 2. Even if you were to buy it you don't get as much value as something like a expansion.
Also, the devs aleady have alot of stuff made like Expansions, dungeons, mounts, cosmetics, crown crates, and the smaller zones and DLC.
The main point of this post is thst ESO is already heavily monetized and there isn't really a big reason to make people pay for imperial.
Keep in mind that the main reason folks are blind to these issues is that the video game industry has been actively pushing boundaries for a solid decade now. More importantly, the industry has successfully moved the goal posts to the point that bad deals are barely flagged as bad deals by customers anymore. Things that were once standard features of games are now routinely stripped out and monetized (aka, sell less for more), at least in the games-as-a-service landscape.
To be fair, stripping the Imperial race out of the base game is a mild example of that compared to the crap that goes on these days in the industry. There were at least some legitimate gameplay reasons for that (sort of) with the Alliance War setup at the time. The price point they set for the upgrade, however, was and still is foul. Five bucks would be pushing it, never mind twenty. Twenty! Criminy!
Imperial Race was the first thing I bought from the crown store and its been my main ever since. Never bothered me having to pay for it.
On the other hand pay walling all the Imperial furniture is a constant pain in the ass I could do without.
Seriously, the imperial race is one of the things that really hurts this game's reputation and image. Imagine trying to get a friend into ESO and then they ask if they can play as a imperial.
"Well for $20 yeah! Or you can just sub $15 to unlock all the DLC" Seriously races should never be locked in a TES game. Imagine if Skyrim had a imperial race DLC? I don't get it.
Not only that but they made Imperial city free. So it's not like they can't just make it free. People who bought the pack can still play any race any faction. It's the imperial race-behind-locked-behind-$20 that is just dumb and predatory. I get the devs want people to pay for subs and try to make it appealing, but we already have to do deal with painfully slow research times and the mounts being trained only once a day. I get paying for expansions and DLC. But a race? Really?
Please, just make it part of the game like it should've been long ago.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Imperial race is paywalled.
Imperial race was a base game race for other Elder Scroll games like Skyrim.
Imperial race should be base game.The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
Ooooor, the answer is that ESO was built around the three-faction war, with each faction including 3 races from the non-Imperial sections of Tamriel. Cyrodil - the home of the Imperials - was the center of this PvP activity.
Allowing players to play Imperials, in one of the three non-Imperial factions vying to take over the Imperial capital, would make little sense.
(also, mainline TES games =/= MMO. Just like any other spinoff games wouldn't be mainline TES games, either.)
driosketch wrote: »Imperial is a collector edition item. Support ZOS and just pay for it if you want to unlock it.You are the one using Skyrim as the standard for Base Game. This game is not Skyrim. Base game for ESO does not, and has never, included Imperial race.
The Imperial race was available from Day 1, wasn't it? That begs the question - why was this simply not included in the base game to begin with? The answer is, of course, profit.
I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more transparent example of a game developer removing features from a base game release to sell it to the customer at a premium.
Nothing was removed. Imperials were a bonus for people who bought the CE version of the game.
So looked at a different way, if you wanted the Imperial race, but didn't want a cheap horse, Imperial style unlocked in outfits, a marriage mechanic, and some treasure maps, you can buy Imperial race separately without getting the delux version of the game.
Now if you want to gripe, Any Race, Any Alliance, was originally a preorder bonus only. Then it was sold separately. Then they bundled it. I think that's a bigger deal.
My Imperial horse Mr. Buttercup isn't cheap...
Yes, the Imperial race is locked behind a paywall. So is the ability to play any race in any alliance. So are 2 classes, a crafting line, 4 guild skill lines (2 of which are pretty much essential for end game), 12 zone maps, a handful of trials, and dozens of dungeons.
It’s a b2p MMO. Paywalls are literally how they keep the game running.
Oh we can play as imps?Thechuckage wrote: »A few expansions are now rolled into the base game, which came after Imp race.
Araneae6537 wrote: »You don’t get the Imperial race as part of ESO+ and purchasing it does not give you Any Race, Any Alliance. I know, as I’ve had ESO+ since I started by only recently purchased the Imperial expansion to play one in Blackwood.
And you can dislike that something costs extra, how much it costs, and so forth, but that does not make it “predatory” so that’s a bit absurd.
Overpriced =/= Predatory
I was using it as a way to show that skyrim made basic stuff like races part of the game.