I am not entirely clear on what point you are making.
It is clear that a design point in the game, as with many MMO games, is that there is gear that you can get that is rare but not guaranteed.
You can't just go kill the dragon and expect that the Holy Cuirass will be there.
Fata1moose wrote: »Companions are supposed to help newer players get through content they can’t clear. The equipment that companions need in order to be effective drop most prominently from world and dungeon bosses, the aforementioned content that newer players would have trouble clearing. So yeah this needs to change somewhat in addition to buffing companions a ton so they’re actually helpful.
I am not entirely clear on what point you are making.cyberjanet wrote: »
Outside of that, the design goal of companions seems to be "long term" rather than "quick". Journey-To-Goal rather than Immediate-Satisfaction.
That is what one wants from companions, the pleasure of taking them from 0 to 20, weeks of enjoyable playing time. Not weeks of trying to find decent armour for them.
Grind to me is relentlessly pursuing stuff whether you're enjoying it or not, so I don't grind. I don't spend hours relentlessly killing skeleteons or zombies or whatever they in that place everyone tells me about, just to gain a few levels. I like to take pleasure in my games.
It is clear that a design point in the game, as with many MMO games, is that there is gear that you can get that is rare but not guaranteed.
You can't just go kill the dragon and expect that the Holy Cuirass will be there. You don't know which dragon has it. You may have to kill a lot of dragons, which in a game is the same dragon because the game cannot possibly generate enough unique dragons, and dragon lairs, to satisfy an epic quest for the Holy Cuirass carried by an unknown dragon.
cyberjanet wrote: »I am not entirely clear on what point you are making.
It is clear that a design point in the game, as with many MMO games, is that there is gear that you can get that is rare but not guaranteed.
You can't just go kill the dragon and expect that the Holy Cuirass will be there.
Okay, let me explain the point I am making. It took me three weeks of at least 1 1/2 hours play a day to get the pale order lead from Bad Hallows. Everyone else was complaining it took them a couple of hours and that was too long.
I'm not worried about not getting the holy cuirass from the first dragon I kill. I'm worried about only get foul hides from every dragon I kill. If I enjoy killing dragons I will kill them from time to time. I don't want to be forced to kill dragons for weeks on end to get maybe one little non-holy cuirass
If the drops are that crappy, I'll do something else.
I am not expecting to level or equip my companions in a day. I expect to spend a long - and enjoyable - time doing that. But I do want to equip them ever. If I'm going to get one piece of green something every three weeks of play, well, I have other things to do.
VaranisArano wrote: »Do we have any equivalent "Companion gear of X type will drop from Y-type bosses" statement yet?
VaranisArano wrote: »Mythreindeer wrote: »I'm just happy that companions won't be OP right out of the gate though I suppose that's coming over time.
Balance is a four letter word.
I think the Companion AI is the bigger problem holding them back from ever being OP. They seem to be able to handle overland mobs. Anything harder or more numerous, and it's dirt naps for Bastian and Mirri.
In other words, unless things turn around and we start hearing that great gear really fixes their problems with survivability in public dungeons and versus bosses, I think ZOS could relent on the gear grind.
Right now, Bastian and Mirri fall right into the category of the worst of our random dungeon teammates: "A dead damage dealer does zero DPS."
cyberjanet wrote: »I am not entirely clear on what point you are making.
It is clear that a design point in the game, as with many MMO games, is that there is gear that you can get that is rare but not guaranteed.
You can't just go kill the dragon and expect that the Holy Cuirass will be there.
Okay, let me explain the point I am making. It took me three weeks of at least 1 1/2 hours play a day to get the pale order lead from Bad Hallows. Everyone else was complaining it took them a couple of hours and that was too long.
I'm not worried about not getting the holy cuirass from the first dragon I kill. I'm worried about only get foul hides from every dragon I kill. If I enjoy killing dragons I will kill them from time to time. I don't want to be forced to kill dragons for weeks on end to get maybe one little non-holy cuirass
If the drops are that crappy, I'll do something else.
I am not expecting to level or equip my companions in a day. I expect to spend a long - and enjoyable - time doing that. But I do want to equip them ever. If I'm going to get one piece of green something every three weeks of play, well, I have other things to do.
Ah. Well, I walked into one of the Blackreach delves and got a blue (damage) and green (crit) greaves for my companion before I got too far from the entrance. Never saw a boss. I am not saying that this will be the case every time. However, in contrast, I got nothing from numerous overland "mini-bosses" (mainly wispmothers).VaranisArano wrote: »Do we have any equivalent "Companion gear of X type will drop from Y-type bosses" statement yet?
Not that I am aware of. I got two greaves from a delve trash mob but never got to the boss to see what they dropped.
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cyberjanet wrote: »I am not entirely clear on what point you are making.
It is clear that a design point in the game, as with many MMO games, is that there is gear that you can get that is rare but not guaranteed.
You can't just go kill the dragon and expect that the Holy Cuirass will be there.
Okay, let me explain the point I am making. It took me three weeks of at least 1 1/2 hours play a day to get the pale order lead from Bad Hallows. Everyone else was complaining it took them a couple of hours and that was too long.
I'm not worried about not getting the holy cuirass from the first dragon I kill. I'm worried about only get foul hides from every dragon I kill. If I enjoy killing dragons I will kill them from time to time. I don't want to be forced to kill dragons for weeks on end to get maybe one little non-holy cuirass
If the drops are that crappy, I'll do something else.
I am not expecting to level or equip my companions in a day. I expect to spend a long - and enjoyable - time doing that. But I do want to equip them ever. If I'm going to get one piece of green something every three weeks of play, well, I have other things to do.
Ah. Well, I walked into one of the Blackreach delves and got a blue (damage) and green (crit) greaves for my companion before I got too far from the entrance. Never saw a boss. I am not saying that this will be the case every time. However, in contrast, I got nothing from numerous overland "mini-bosses" (mainly wispmothers).VaranisArano wrote: »Do we have any equivalent "Companion gear of X type will drop from Y-type bosses" statement yet?
Not that I am aware of. I got two greaves from a delve trash mob but never got to the boss to see what they dropped.
was that a Vunalk delve by any chance? cause it seems to be the only place to drop anything with any degree of regularity.
francesinhalover wrote: »A system that seems to be designed for casuals , shouldn't make casuals feel anxiety for not being able to grind hard to get gear.
that just feels like punishing the players that do love the content.
francesinhalover wrote: »A system that seems to be designed for casuals , shouldn't make casuals feel anxiety for not being able to grind hard to get gear.
that just feels like punishing the players that do love the content.
BalticBlues wrote: »Nice pic. So now the richest Sugar Daddys in ESO can by their Miri some toys to play with.
tomofhyrule wrote: »I'm sure the guild trader prices will come down eventually. Everyone who gets rare stuff has is insanely high priced on release day until the market stabilizes. Remember how expensive the Greymoor motif was until people realized it was dropping like candy?
I don't like that the companion stuff isn't improvable though... that seems like a major annoyance, and makes it so green/blue companion gear is basically guild store fodder. I guess the idea is that eventually the market will be saturated with those and the price will go down?
tomofhyrule wrote: »I'm sure the guild trader prices will come down eventually. Everyone who gets rare stuff has is insanely high priced on release day until the market stabilizes. Remember how expensive the Greymoor motif was until people realized it was dropping like candy?
I don't like that the companion stuff isn't improvable though... that seems like a major annoyance, and makes it so green/blue companion gear is basically guild store fodder. I guess the idea is that eventually the market will be saturated with those and the price will go down?
I'm not seeing the prices come down unless either ZOS increases drop rate or people stop buying it. I hope companion gear follows motifs trend and does start dropping like candy.
My thoughts exactly. They created this whole system for them with gear and skills and made them super grindy but apparently they're made for new players. Makes no sense to me.DreadDaedroth wrote: »Companions are grindy to level up and find equipment for, I don't understand their aim.
My thoughts exactly. They created this whole system for them with gear and skills and made them super grindy but apparently they're made for new players. Makes no sense to me.DreadDaedroth wrote: »Companions are grindy to level up and find equipment for, I don't understand their aim.
Armour drops at a reasonable pace