Heartland Conqueror Crafted set OP?

beadabow

I have been testing the new Heartland Conqueror set pairing it with various other sets, and I am borderline on the power boost the set gives with the 100% weapon trait improvement. If I am borderline, I suspect there are many of my fellow players that will say "Yes. this set is OP."

I have not tested all nine traits, but I did test infused with a poison glyph and decisive with a dawnbreaker ulti. The ultimate generation is, as far as I could tell, a guaranteed 4 ult per tick -so long as you are light attacking. Dawn Breaker was popping up pretty quickly.

For the infused weapon (a bow),The poison glyph tooltip read over 6k in poison damage with the 4 sec global cooldown. So I think this fits in with some of the 5 pc poison set procs I have seen, oh wait....the bow only takes two slots. Not 5!!! Hmmmm...Just wondering if anyone else thinks this set will be getting the good ole chop chop chopperoonie soon.

Edit to clarify "infused" trait and add punctuation to title.

YandereGirlfriend

The set is fine as it is and it fills a new and very interesting gameplay niche that no other set has explored before.

phaneub17_ESO

This is really going to benefit dual-wielding in a whole new level with having two different traits. It also doubles down on their new goal from the last major update giving physical damage types their own debuffs like Physical damage applying Sundered and Bleed attacks applying Hemorrhaging. I almost always see "Charged" as a caster exclusive trait in the past, but with this set I can see it with melee and physical damage as well.

Ragnaroek93

Since it doesn't reduce the cooldown of glyphs with the infused trait I doubt that it's op. Far better balanced than all the proc sets which we had during the last year.

FrancisCrawford

beadabow wrote: »

I have been testing the new Heartland Conqueror set pairing it with various other sets, and I am borderline on the power boost the set gives with the 100% weapon trait improvement. If I am borderline, I suspect there are many of my fellow players that will say "Yes. this set is OP."

I have not tested all nine traits, but I did test infused with a poison glyph and decisive with a dawnbreaker ulti. The ultimate generation is, as far as I could tell, a guaranteed 4 ult per tick -so long as you are light attacking. Dawn Breaker was popping up pretty quickly.

For the infused weapon (a bow),The poison glyph tooltip read over 6k in poison damage with the 4 sec global cooldown. So I think this fits in with some of the 5 pc poison set procs I have seen, oh wait....the bow only takes two slots. Not 5!!! Hmmmm...Just wondering if anyone else thinks this set will be getting the good ole chop chop chopperoonie soon.

Edit to clarify "infused" trait and add punctuation to title.

An Infused glyph still has a 4 second cooldown?

lucky_Sage

On paper I could see it going nice with Torags for a duel wield stam sorc heavyavattack build

beadabow

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

An Infused glyph still has a 4 second cooldown?

That's what I read in a 2020 post, don't know whether it changed or not.

Cuddler

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

An Infused glyph still has a 4 second cooldown?

An infused glyph still has a 2-second CD (damage procs) or 5-second CD (Weapon Damage/Weakening/Hardening/Crushing). Heartland Conqueror does not reduce it.

Sandman929

I have not tested it, but its one of the most fun sets I've seen in awhile. I'd hate to see it nerfed

Runefang

They need to fix 3 & 4 set pieces. Right now the balance between sets is pretty good in PvE, so much so that when the 2-4 set bonuses aren’t optimal (I.e 1 or more are not useful) then the set can’t compete. Acuity may be the only exception.

But sets with Pen or Stam (on a mag build) for example are not run in PvE because they’re wasting a bonus.

Mayrael

beadabow wrote: »

I have been testing the new Heartland Conqueror set pairing it with various other sets, and I am borderline on the power boost the set gives with the 100% weapon trait improvement. If I am borderline, I suspect there are many of my fellow players that will say "Yes. this set is OP."

I have not tested all nine traits, but I did test infused with a poison glyph and decisive with a dawnbreaker ulti. The ultimate generation is, as far as I could tell, a guaranteed 4 ult per tick -so long as you are light attacking. Dawn Breaker was popping up pretty quickly.

For the infused weapon (a bow),The poison glyph tooltip read over 6k in poison damage with the 4 sec global cooldown. So I think this fits in with some of the 5 pc poison set procs I have seen, oh wait....the bow only takes two slots. Not 5!!! Hmmmm...Just wondering if anyone else thinks this set will be getting the good ole chop chop chopperoonie soon.

Edit to clarify "infused" trait and add punctuation to title.

Yes. Bow takes 2 slots but set overall takes 5 slots. You still need to use 5 slots to turn it into proc set or you trying to tell me that bow with infused trait is OP alone? It's very interesting set giving a lot of flexibility but is it OP? I don't think so, at last crafted set worth of using after all those years.

Urzigurumash

Uncap Oblivion Glyphs

Sleep724

lucky_Sage wrote: »

On paper I could see it going nice with Torags for a duel wield stam sorc heavyavattack build

Ah yes. Just what we need. This along with crystal weapon, instant one shots.

Firstmep

beadabow wrote: »

I have been testing the new Heartland Conqueror set pairing it with various other sets, and I am borderline on the power boost the set gives with the 100% weapon trait improvement. If I am borderline, I suspect there are many of my fellow players that will say "Yes. this set is OP."

I have not tested all nine traits, but I did test infused with a poison glyph and decisive with a dawnbreaker ulti. The ultimate generation is, as far as I could tell, a guaranteed 4 ult per tick -so long as you are light attacking. Dawn Breaker was popping up pretty quickly.

For the infused weapon (a bow),The poison glyph tooltip read over 6k in poison damage with the 4 sec global cooldown. So I think this fits in with some of the 5 pc poison set procs I have seen, oh wait....the bow only takes two slots. Not 5!!! Hmmmm...Just wondering if anyone else thinks this set will be getting the good ole chop chop chopperoonie soon.

Edit to clarify "infused" trait and add punctuation to title.

Exept it does take a 5 piece, heartland conqueror to reach those numbers.
Now put on an actual procset instead, and add up the not boosted glyph damage and tell me heartland conqueror is op again.. XD.
In fact infused is probably th worst trait you want to use with this set, as it starts at 30% and this set only puts it at 60% glyph boost.
In comparison if you use sharpened or for example powered, you can get proper 5th piece set bonuses worth out of it, which is fair, since you do have to have this set equipped for that xD.

Septimus_Magna

Its an interesting set but I dont think its overtuned, the 5pc bonus will probably not give more stats than dedicated sets.
Vampires and werewolfs should watch out though, Torugs+Heartland + infused prismatic dmg enchant will hurt a lot.

chiipso

Where is the crafting location for this set on PTS?

Firstmep

chiipso wrote: »

Where is the crafting location for this set on PTS?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/570848/crafting-sets#latest

The sets crafting station is where the player is on this map.

remosito

chiipso wrote: »

Where is the crafting location for this set on PTS?

that 2nd town with walls that is not the main town... .. ride north-east

Marcus_Thracius

lucky_Sage wrote: »

On paper I could see it going nice with Torags for a duel wield stam sorc heavyavattack build

After testing , it doest work as intended with torug infused, dont know if its a bug or not , but its not x2 but x1.3

beadabow

Mayrael wrote: »

beadabow wrote: »

Yes. Bow takes 2 slots but set overall takes 5 slots. You still need to use 5 slots to turn it into proc set or you trying to tell me that bow with infused trait is OP alone? It's very interesting set giving a lot of flexibility but is it OP? I don't think so, at last crafted set worth of using after all those years.

I was thinking about Arena Bows when I wrote this, but as the person below you stated the set itself is a 5 pc, so I stand corrected. Still, there are many many many possible combinations with dual wield, 1, 2, 3, and 4 pc sets and a good imagination.

I tested well into the night yesterday, and since posting this, I think the developers came up with a great new set that stays in line with other sets. I was able to outperform the set with a tried and true semi-meta combo (Relequen's, Beserking Warrior and Selene's) as well as some other popular builds available on the web. In these tests, I used the meta build, minus a 5 pc set which I replaced with Heartland Conqueror, ie: Rel, HC, and Selene's and HC, BW or AY, and Selene's. A few parses of each combination and Rel, AY, and Selene's still came out ahead.

So, in conclusion, I now feel the set is interesting and fun to use, but is not OP.

Edit: For content.

Ocelot9x

This set is really nice as it provides what you need depending on the weapon bar providing a mixture of damage and utility (sharpened main and decisive backbar for example). Today i will test the interactions with torug, seems kinda op

Brrrofski

It definitely looks strong in paper.

Not sure if it's OP though.

But it looks interesting for PvP and some uses in PvE (infused crusher and decisive on a tank).

IAmIcehouse

It looks like a viable set that opens some pretty cool, unique builds. By no means does it look Overpowered though. I'm actually really pleased with this set

Grimlok_S

Sleep724 wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

On paper I could see it going nice with Torags for a duel wield stam sorc heavyavattack build

Ah yes. Just what we need. This along with crystal weapon, instant one shots.

Several sorc specs are capable of this on Live, just FYI.

olsborg

Sandman929 wrote: »

I have not tested it, but its one of the most fun sets I've seen in awhile. I'd hate to see it nerfed

This. Whoever tought up this set deserves a sweetroll

JoSePHRiNG

I combined this set with "Torug's Pact" and I used both infused, (actually I wrote a similar comment in the feedback section too I hope it is OK?)

Front bar Bow (Endless Hail) with fire glyph and back bar Destro staff(Elemental Wall) with shock glyph, to be honest damage was good but I did not see any cooldown reduction.

Heartland Conquerer increases enchantment potency but does not increase the cooldown reduction of the "infused trait".

so it goes like this;
"Increases weapon enchantment effect by %30 and reduces enchantment cooldown by %50"
this is the normal value without any effect,
but with "Heartland Conquerer" it goes like this;
"Increases weapon enchantment effect by %60 and reduces enchantment cooldown by %50"

so I think it should work with cooldown too.

Lughlongarm

edit

Cuddler

JoSePHRiNG wrote: »

so it goes like this;
"Increases weapon enchantment effect by %30 and reduces enchantment cooldown by %50"
this is the normal value without any effect,
but with "Heartland Conquerer" it goes like this;
"Increases weapon enchantment effect by %60 and reduces enchantment cooldown by %50"

so I think it should work with cooldown too.

It probably should, but currently does not.

katorga

I like the set a lot. It is a fantastic "gap filler". Nice work.

Don't have easy access to penetration, HC + sharpened. And so on.

You essentially swap 5 piece bonuses running sharpened front, defending back, and so on.

And it is usable by mag builds. Most of the really cool sets are stamina oriented.

silver1surfer69

It still doesnt reduce cooldown on infused right or has that changed since thread?

gariondavey

Hasn't changed. But still is an excellent set. Although they forgot about it for the no proc cyrodiil for some reason, but include torugs.
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