Proc sets damage and spell power

SidraWillowsky

ManDraKE wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with this thread.

Because of the differences in availability between SD and WD, u30 is nerfing mag procs more than it is nerfing stam procs (or buffing mag procs less than it is buffing stam procs, if you have particularly high SD or WD).

Penetration hasn't changed, so it has nothing to do with the changes to proc damage.

yes it has to do because complains about stamina hitting harder with procs cant be made in a vacumm, magika procs hit why harder than stamina procs on live (both because of penetration and because procsets are mostly magika-base damage). In any case, spell damage being lower is more "balanced" (if you can call procs balanced lol).

Damage output is the only thing that matters, is irrelevant if the tooltip looks higher on stam because of higher wpn damage.

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.

One of the stam DD meta sets IS a proc set, and since stam characters have easy access to high WD numbers, they're getting a massive buff.

Meanwhile, my mag DDs' monster sets are trash and will go in the storage chest for the foreseeable future if this goes live.

doesurmindglow

Yeah I'm not sure about making the stamina and magicka "target number" the exact same either, though some folks here do have good points about other damage-adjacent advantages that justify the lower magicka numbers, like better penetration.

I'll have to do some more testing to see if my stamina builds consistently overpower magicka. It's hard to say just looking at the numbers themselves, but the discrepancy does give reason for some concern.

ExistingRug61

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with this thread.

Because of the differences in availability between SD and WD, u30 is nerfing mag procs more than it is nerfing stam procs (or buffing mag procs less than it is buffing stam procs, if you have particularly high SD or WD).

Penetration hasn't changed, so it has nothing to do with the changes to proc damage.

yes it has to do because complains about stamina hitting harder with procs cant be made in a vacumm, magika procs hit why harder than stamina procs on live (both because of penetration and because procsets are mostly magika-base damage). In any case, spell damage being lower is more "balanced" (if you can call procs balanced lol).

Damage output is the only thing that matters, is irrelevant if the tooltip looks higher on stam because of higher wpn damage.

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.

One of the stam DD meta sets IS a proc set, and since stam characters have easy access to high WD numbers, they're getting a massive buff.

Meanwhile, my mag DDs' monster sets are trash and will go in the storage chest for the foreseeable future if this goes live.

On the subject of stam pve parses: does the fact that the scaling only uses weapon damage (and not stam as well) mean orc pulls ahead of the other stam races due to better scaling with relequen? Or is it not enough to matter?

Septimus_Magna

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with this thread.

Because of the differences in availability between SD and WD, u30 is nerfing mag procs more than it is nerfing stam procs (or buffing mag procs less than it is buffing stam procs, if you have particularly high SD or WD).

Penetration hasn't changed, so it has nothing to do with the changes to proc damage.

yes it has to do because complains about stamina hitting harder with procs cant be made in a vacumm, magika procs hit why harder than stamina procs on live (both because of penetration and because procsets are mostly magika-base damage). In any case, spell damage being lower is more "balanced" (if you can call procs balanced lol).

Damage output is the only thing that matters, is irrelevant if the tooltip looks higher on stam because of higher wpn damage.

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.

One of the stam DD meta sets IS a proc set, and since stam characters have easy access to high WD numbers, they're getting a massive buff.

Meanwhile, my mag DDs' monster sets are trash and will go in the storage chest for the foreseeable future if this goes live.

On the subject of stam pve parses: does the fact that the scaling only uses weapon damage (and not stam as well) mean orc pulls ahead of the other stam races due to better scaling with relequen? Or is it not enough to matter?

Dunmer would be slightly better due to higher max stam than Orc and same weapon dmg.

On Live the differences between Khajiit, Dunmer and Orc are already pretty small so depending on the sets it might change in U30.

ExistingRug61

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with this thread.

Because of the differences in availability between SD and WD, u30 is nerfing mag procs more than it is nerfing stam procs (or buffing mag procs less than it is buffing stam procs, if you have particularly high SD or WD).

Penetration hasn't changed, so it has nothing to do with the changes to proc damage.

yes it has to do because complains about stamina hitting harder with procs cant be made in a vacumm, magika procs hit why harder than stamina procs on live (both because of penetration and because procsets are mostly magika-base damage). In any case, spell damage being lower is more "balanced" (if you can call procs balanced lol).

Damage output is the only thing that matters, is irrelevant if the tooltip looks higher on stam because of higher wpn damage.

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.

One of the stam DD meta sets IS a proc set, and since stam characters have easy access to high WD numbers, they're getting a massive buff.

Meanwhile, my mag DDs' monster sets are trash and will go in the storage chest for the foreseeable future if this goes live.

On the subject of stam pve parses: does the fact that the scaling only uses weapon damage (and not stam as well) mean orc pulls ahead of the other stam races due to better scaling with relequen? Or is it not enough to matter?

Dunmer would be slightly better due to higher max stam than Orc and same weapon dmg.

On Live the differences between Khajiit, Dunmer and Orc are already pretty small so depending on the sets it might change in U30.

Lol had a total mind blank that dunmer also get weapon damage (and stam). I was more meaning in comparison to the races that dont get weapon damage but only max stam, although I guess they weren’t in the picture dps wise anyway.

Of the three mentioned, being orc dunmer and khajiit, I assume khajiit might lose out slightly.

Septimus_Magna

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with this thread.

Because of the differences in availability between SD and WD, u30 is nerfing mag procs more than it is nerfing stam procs (or buffing mag procs less than it is buffing stam procs, if you have particularly high SD or WD).

Penetration hasn't changed, so it has nothing to do with the changes to proc damage.

yes it has to do because complains about stamina hitting harder with procs cant be made in a vacumm, magika procs hit why harder than stamina procs on live (both because of penetration and because procsets are mostly magika-base damage). In any case, spell damage being lower is more "balanced" (if you can call procs balanced lol).

Damage output is the only thing that matters, is irrelevant if the tooltip looks higher on stam because of higher wpn damage.

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.

One of the stam DD meta sets IS a proc set, and since stam characters have easy access to high WD numbers, they're getting a massive buff.

Meanwhile, my mag DDs' monster sets are trash and will go in the storage chest for the foreseeable future if this goes live.

On the subject of stam pve parses: does the fact that the scaling only uses weapon damage (and not stam as well) mean orc pulls ahead of the other stam races due to better scaling with relequen? Or is it not enough to matter?

Dunmer would be slightly better due to higher max stam than Orc and same weapon dmg.

On Live the differences between Khajiit, Dunmer and Orc are already pretty small so depending on the sets it might change in U30.

Lol had a total mind blank that dunmer also get weapon damage (and stam). I was more meaning in comparison to the races that dont get weapon damage but only max stam, although I guess they weren’t in the picture dps wise anyway.

Of the three mentioned, being orc dunmer and khajiit, I assume khajiit might lose out slightly.

Yes, that is my prediction as well. Especially for stamina because their dps relies for a significant part on the Relequen dmg which gets buffed by weapon dmg. I think its a good thing that weapon/spell dmg stats are getting more important, speccing everything into crit can get a little boring.

ManDraKE

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.
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we talking about procs sets on PvP, not about static parsing in a dummy inside your house. Whatever your PvE parse says is irrelevant for PvP. You shouldn't be runing procsets in PvE anyway if you are trying to max out DPS.

Derra

gariondavey wrote: »

Yeah medium armor passives make wd higher or stam characters. Should be 5.5k for stam and 5k for mag

the discrepancy between weapon and spelldmg is a lot higher than 500.

kringled_1

ManDraKE wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

My stam DDs are outparsing my mag DDs in the PTS by a huge margin- it's not even a contest. I'm a mag DD main, and my mag DPS is almost always higher than my stam DPS. If it's not, they're about even. Now my stam DD is 5-6k ahead of my mag DD on the trial dummy. Mag proc numbers aren't even coming close to matching stam proc numbers.
e.

we talking about procs sets on PvP, not about static parsing in a dummy inside your house. Whatever your PvE parse says is irrelevant for PvP. You shouldn't be runing procsets in PvE anyway if you are trying to max out DPS.

Arms of Relequen would like a word with you. That's the PvE procset in question.

Ocelot9x

So stamina gets 14% wd while magicka gets 6.5k pen. 6.5k pen is 10% more dmg done while 14% wd is usually 600 wd. Is 600 weapon damage equivalent to 10% more damage done? I don't think so.
Proc set being unhealty for the game is not a magicka vs stamina thing, is proc user vs non proc user.

the1andonlyskwex

Ocelot9x wrote: »

So stamina gets 14% wd while magicka gets 6.5k pen. 6.5k pen is 10% more dmg done while 14% wd is usually 600 wd. Is 600 weapon damage equivalent to 10% more damage done? I don't think so.
Proc set being unhealty for the game is not a magicka vs stamina thing, is proc user vs non proc user.

There's also the Fighters' Guild WD passive, which gets a lot of people another 3-6%.

Based on how procs appear to scale from what I've seen (I'm not on PTS), it certainly seems like a 20% boost to WD translates directly to a 20% increase in proc damage. (Note: it doesn't do the same for skills because skills also have a base damage floor and max resource scaling.)