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PTS Update 30 - Feedback Thread for Housing & Furnishings

ZOS_GinaBruno
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This is the official feedback thread for the new houses and furnishings. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
  • What are your general thoughts on new houses?
  • What do you think of the new furnishings?
  • Do you have any other general feedback?
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on April 20, 2021 3:53PM
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  • TeruKisuke
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    I like what I see so far—like there are finally teacups! A new Grand Bookcase, some nice tapestries, an elaborate wall display shelf, etc etc—but it’s hard to tell what all the furnishings are because we cannot preview them in editor. Editor Preview makes it easier to get a good idea of what the selection is.
  • Epona222
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    Water's Edge is just lovely - and 300/600 slots feels fine for it - going to be a pleasant change to decorate a house that isn't massive with a way too small number of slots available.
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  • Spell-Slinger
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    Patherfang Chapel
    I love that we get to have our own castle and chapel. The overall aesthetic of the place is beautiful.
    But come on. PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy ZOS, this house is WAY too big for the slot limit! Why do you keep doing this? How many times does this have to be said? Do you actually want to pull as much attention as possible to how your engine isn't able to handle more slots? Make it smaller.

    Furthermore, please make the entrance to the house the actual main gate instead of the rather unimpressive vault at the bottom that makes you pop out either in the crypts of in the sewers. If I buy a castle, I want to arrive to an impressive courtyard, not plop out of the sewers.

    Water's Edge
    This house is beautiful, and very cosy. I'm not too sure about the layout - it seems a bit unintuitive and strange - but I'm sure I can work with it. Almost certainly buying this one.

    Furnishings
    So far I haven't had the time to look at them in too much detail, since it's a bit awkward without having easy access to them in the furnishing editor. However, a few things that come to mind.
    - The Leyawiin Palisade is AMAZING, I love it to bits. I love how it's so accessible too, being an ordinary home goods item.
    - It's great to have stacks of plates and stacks of laundry now - that will help us save slots. Good time to introduce a laundry basket? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I couldn't actually find that stacked plate as just the single plate - it was always part of something else, like a meal, or cutlery or whatever. It'd be nice to also have just the single plate.
  • CaffeinatedMayhem
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    What are your general thoughts on new houses?
    Overall very nice!

    Waters Edge - love the concept, and the outdoor patio and loft! The detailing inside is awesome - fresco walls, carvings on the stairs. All goes very nicely with the furnishing style (smashup of ancient Greek and Roman, I see what you did there)

    Pantherfang - 3 letters - O.M.G. I'd add a 4th but I'd get banned again. Seriously awesome. My only nitpick is the marketing - there is no functioning shrine of Mara as implied. Otherwise that chapel is PERFECT! Love it. Love the keep/fortress too! Battlements to play hide and seek on, the courtyard is lovely and all terraced/different levels. Love the staircases and SEWERS. Yes, the sewers/crypt are great! To the housing team I say CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. I will decorate this place with 700 items and it will be glorious. Maybe. I'll try anyway. Other nitpick I know won't happen... the portcullis in the courtyard, that would obviously go outside to the zone, I wish we could use that instead of always having to run back to the boat. I feel the same way about the strange crypt entrance to Hakvild's.
    What do you think of the new furnishings?

    Many of them feel exactly like museum pieces I've seen - which is great! I'm not a fan of that style, BUT - I'm glad to see more diversity! Also, THANK YOU for a silver brazier! I don't like gold/copper furnishings, so being able to use a silver one is nice!
    Overall - good selection of clutter/lived in. SOCKS AND PANTS! PILE OF LAUNDRY! HAMPERS! Window boxes with flowers and DIRT. These are great for making homes more lived in! A "dirty" dish with silverware piled in! A stack of plates for cupboards! The new food looks amazing, and thank you for such diversity! (all the new textures are AMAZING, looks great)

    Deadlands style - meh? Great for people who run around in Dremora Kyn polymoprhs, but not for me. The one achievement light looks nice, I would use it in an Ayleid theme.
    Do you have any other general feedback?
    Please include new furnishings in the editor purchase tab. Learning the provided template plans was nice, but difficult (took 3 openings of the container) and I still have no idea which furnishings may be crowns only.

    Inert Oblivion gate for trial complete... um, well it is a thing. Sigh. Why couldn't the nice boat from vKA have been for normal?
    Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on April 20, 2021 8:09PM
  • bluebird
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    @CaffeinatedMayhem The house doesn't need a functioning Shrine of Mara, because you can use the Pledge of Mara inside the house anywhere. :smile: A player and me just zoned in, clicked the Pledge of Mara from my inventory, and got married next to the boat in the crypt lol. Of course, the appeal is that probably that players can build any sort of wedding venue inside the home and it will work independently from shrines. You can always add the luxury furnishing Mara sigil to the chapel though!
  • tsaescishoeshiner
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    Pantherfang Chapel

    Feedback: I wish this house used new Blackwood music! The house currently uses older game music that so many houses use, but using new music from the Blackwood soundtrack would make the house more unique, more thematic, and worth the Crowns.

    That's the only change I'd request. Otherwise, this is a beautiful house with attractive textures, interesting and diverse terrain, and a surprising lack of invisible walls--you can go all along the ramparts and down to the water!

    But using new Blackwood music would be awesome and fitting!
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  • TeruKisuke
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    Something I forgot to mention in my previous feedback: Mannequins. I remember seeing some mannequins in (I think) a clothing store in Blackwood, as it was in footage in a video. I haven’t gotten back online to find its location, but it leads me back to a critical question:

    Where are the mannequin furnishings?

    We do not have access to viewing crown-only furnishings so far, so it’s possible they could be lurking. Or, the more likely answer historically, they still aren’t a furnishing yet... These as well as weapon displays are constantly requested on the housing side of forums, and are constantly teased assets seen in the game, but we still do not have them.

    I appreciate the windowbox planters, the little things like stacks of plates, clothes and laundry, Divines stained glass windows, a Divines chapel house. It shows that you guys listen to what we want. But there are still some of the most commonly requested items still not available to us after several years. I’m not outraged, just kinda disappointed, y’know? Armor and weapon displays seem logical considering that our characters are adventurers with gear and weapons. Naturally we’d want to keep them somewhere in our homes, like an armory of some sort... or just a pretend armory with a handful of weapon-shaped assets.

    We’re getting closer each year to getting the basics and each time it happens, it’s awesome. But these handful of things seem blatant and missing.
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  • Jayne_Doe
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    Absolutely love Water's Edge! I like the layout of the house and the detail of the floors and walls are amazing.

    I haven't checked out Pantherfang yet, and from what I've read, I think I'll like it, but of course, won't be buying it. I have little interest in decorating overly large homes - they're just not my cup of flin. Way too large and not actually homes.

    So, I'll stick with Water's Edge, which is more my size and taste (a good-sized house that would actually be used as a home).

    Can't wait to peruse all the new furnishings in the editor. They are definitely missed at this point. I'll need to check out the home goods and achievement furnishers. But what I've seen of the furnishings "out in the wild" they are beautifully detailed. Even the sturdy line is nice looking.
  • Rugby_hook
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    I LOVE the Pantherfang Cathedral, but the entrance to it is extremely underwhelming & not intuitive to navigate. Please change the spawn point to the courtyard or somewhere where you can quickly and easily see the magnitude and beauty of this place. I imagine if I make this my primary, people would be whispering me all the time trying to figure out how to get to the main place. I would love for the crypt to be an actual crypt (something like the catacombs in summerset in the start of that zone quest would be amazing), but assuming the visual won't change, maybe change the title of that area of the house from crypt. I was expecting a very different place when i entered it only to find out I was back at the entrance.
  • phantasmalD
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    Am I the only one who loves the entrance of Pantherfang? Prob my favourite detail about the house, I love these kinda secret underground castle docks.

    It prob helped that it was late night in the game when I explored the fort, so it was easy to immerse myself in the idea of secretly being ferried across the water to sneak into the castle.
  • CaffeinatedMayhem
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    bluebird wrote: »
    @CaffeinatedMayhem The house doesn't need a functioning Shrine of Mara, because you can use the Pledge of Mara inside the house anywhere. :smile: A player and me just zoned in, clicked the Pledge of Mara from my inventory, and got married next to the boat in the crypt lol. Of course, the appeal is that probably that players can build any sort of wedding venue inside the home and it will work independently from shrines. You can always add the luxury furnishing Mara sigil to the chapel though!

    I realize this, and I wasn't saying it was needed. I was taking issue with the implication of the marketing. Several other guild members had the same idea. When I streamed PTS yesterday, chat was asking if the chapel was dedicated to a specific aedra. So again, my nitpick is with MARKETING not the concept of how to pledge to mara.
  • Elsonso
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    This is the official feedback thread for the new houses and furnishings. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
    • What are your general thoughts on new houses?
    • Do you have any other general feedback?

    Water's Edge... Nice place, but those balconies just remind me that it isn't really part of Leyawiin. Couldn't you at least have a few NPCs milling about down there on the street? From a decorating perspective... too many doors.

    Pantherfang Chapel ... Very impressive, and totally inappropriate for a house. It's too large! It has a nice wayshrine out side, but there are two massive buildings, with multiple levels in the one, and a large outside area. You really expect people to be able to work within the item limit? :neutral:

    I am in agreement with those on the forum that think that ZOS should focus on smaller housing. I would rather see an extra couple smaller houses than a single large one.

    Edit: Oh, and where does that road go? We can't get out that exit, but there is a road leading off map. Will this be accessible from some future zone to the north, say around 2027?

    Leyawiin Public Housing... Not really convenient in the Inn, but I suppose 2nd floor is better than 3rd, right? Otherwise, not much to say. It's standard ESO public housing.1
    Edited by Elsonso on April 21, 2021 7:42PM
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  • Saucy_Jack
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    The Soiled Tapestry leads are bugged; putting this here since I'm assuming it's a furnishing.

    The first one I found, picked up, got the lead, excavated as normal. The second one I found, I got NO lead, but instead around 20 gold. That's it. Relogging, complete restarts - nothing seems to fix the second lead to where I can pick it up actually GET the lead.
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  • MaisonNaevius
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    At Fort Redman .. I discovered the new furniture of the palisades .. Excellent! But the towers .. It's a shame that we can't go up ..

    And then ... Why are the tents on site not the imperial tents? It surprised me all the more so as I think that our chances of obtaining the other variants are now nil.
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  • anadandy
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    Whatever the lights are on the second floor of Water's Edge - please make more lights like this. They have great room coverage, aren't too harsh and light up everything so nicely.
  • ExoY
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    I think it is a really nice idea that you can place your companion as a house guest.

    But it is very sad that as a house guest they all look the same.

    It would be awesome if the outfit people create for their companion would also be applied to the house guest model.
  • TeruKisuke
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    Am I the only one who loves the entrance of Pantherfang? Prob my favourite detail about the house, I love these kinda secret underground castle docks.

    It prob helped that it was late night in the game when I explored the fort, so it was easy to immerse myself in the idea of secretly being ferried across the water to sneak into the castle.

    No, you’re not the only one. I actually really like it, and I think the boat is a far more inspired load door than a regular door, aaand honestly it feels disorienting when I load into an interior instead of outdoors when initially moving my camera. I’m not motion sick or anything, it’s a minor issue, but loading into an area against a door or wall has always been weird and cramped to me.

    The crypt also has immediate access to every area, so that helps. I like the thought of atmospheric lighting down there too, and the thought of building past the crypt outside. Some people might make custom stuff out there.
    Edited by TeruKisuke on April 22, 2021 1:12AM
  • Ariordin
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    Once again you Dev's have produced two fascinating, tantalizing houses for us to explore possibilities with. It certainly seems like you're pushing the boundary on what size you can get away with in creating such a massive fortress in Pantherfang Chapel. I applaud you for that. As I know has been said many times now please consider raising the 700 furnishing cap. I recently filled the Psijic Villa to its 700 cap and there are still large portions of the house that feel to empty. I imagine this new fortress will be even harder to fill without leaving empty rooms.

    That said, the true cap that I struggle with is the Special Collectibles. With the introduction of companions sharing their very very limited slot count with pets, mounts, and banker/merchant; its basically impossible to make any of the larger houses feel lived in/populated. Even raising the cap by 2-4 would be EXTREMELY welcome. While collectable furnishings and standard furnishings have a high enough cap to allow you to fill out and explore any house, the special collectibles categorary being capped at 10 even for these massive houses creates really difficult design decisions that are just plain not fun to resolve. Please please please reevaluate how many of these we can place in a house.

    Lovely work on Blackwood though! Keep it up!
  • NoxiousBlight
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    Pantherfang Chapel is the best house every produced. I was absolutely floored with how great it was. Give my compliments to the team who made it.

    One suggestion: The entrance point to the house feels janky. I wish we entered through the courtyard. Such a beautiful home with big beautiful gates and we enter through... a dingy boat in the basement. Feels kinda lame.

    Second, I know this is brought up constantly, but how in tarnation do you expect me to be able to furnish that place with only 700 slots? Please, please, please reevaluate the housing slots. I need double that for this mansion.
  • Arunei
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno Maybe you can pass on to the devs that they REALLY need to stop making such massive houses if we aren't going to be given a workable number of furnishing slots for them. What's the point of making houses with so much space of most people are blocking off huge portions and not using it? Stop making these houses so big for the sake of a big price tag, it's frustrating.

    Also when are we going to get more small and medium houses to buy with gold?
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  • Enemoriana
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    Found that in my first visit I explored even not everything. There is soooooo much water space! Mostly with fish, but that doesn't matter. And some lovely places outside walls.
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    This house could be best ever appeared in game, but... slots. Insanely huge house with insanely small amount of slots.
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  • Snowfaeriewings
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    Pantherfang Chapel - It is Beautiful! The courtyard is just fantastic and how far our and up in places you can build. I LOVE it!

    BUT the 2 big Cons:

    House Size vs Furnishing allotment..
    and even larger on my Dislike list.. The ENTRANCE!

    i REALLLY Wish the entrance was the Courtyard because THAT Is where I would want to focus my build. There is even a bridge leading to the Courtyard, making it the ideal spot!
    The problem with the current entrance (While its cute and different) is that visitors to your house have to go up THRU the chapel or the fort both of which are a winding process.. (Unlike say stillwater lake where I wish the inside wasn't there but at least its a straight shot to the outside and quick.)
    So because of this I cannot choose to JUST use the outdoors without visitors trying to figure out how to get to the decorated portion.... OR decorating the insides of the other buildings and taking away from the amount of slots I would have for that fabulous courtyard!
    So this one is a really tough one based solely on the entrance location....


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