What makes ESO less appealing to twitch viewers?

aetherial_heavenn

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I think there are a few reasons:

1. Streaming is highly personality-driven and often NOT in a good way. Unless you play a game at the very highest level, the fastest way to attract viewers is to have an obvious "schtick" or eccentric personality. I find streamers of this ilk to be highly annoying and avoid them but many, many more are drawn to them instead. ESO tends to skew older in its player base (versus the gaming population at large) and, as such, its streamers tend to be more relaxed and adult than most other games. And the audience for watching a laid-back adult play a game calmly will always be smaller than those who want to see a wacky/loud/offensive personality rage at a game instead.

2. Lack of high-end streamers in both PvE and PvP. Elite gameplay always draws viewers but there simply aren't that many elite players that also stream in ESO. My favorite all-around ESO streamer is Nefas and he is basically the only one (along with Alcast) who I ever see streaming "World's First/Fastest" type of content with their guilds. On the PvP side, there are several highly skilled players (and PaleOrc is basically the only streamer of high-end group play) and they're usually near the top of the viewer counts when they're active, but sadly performance always creeps into those streams as an unavoidable issue and often the streams are as much the streamer fighting against the game as it is with other players. Until performance is fixed, watching elite PvP is like watching a top CS:Go player trying to stream with 25 FPS - yes, you can do it but it's an awful experience and the game is hard-capping the streamer's ability to perform at their highest level.

That said, there are many excellent ESO streamers across all types of content.

I agree. That said, I watch 3 types of streamers:
1. Nefas, SkinnyCheeks and the other few quality how to build/do/patch note streamers when I want to understand something.
2. Stabbity and the other makers of 'the how to do housing' stream tours. I do this very occasionally when I am doing housing in game and need inspiration. I tend to watch these (and all streams) more often when RL has me incapable of socialising or concentrating, even in game. It's gentle company, like a tour of the art gallery with a bunch of friendly like minded souls.
3. SingPlayTeach and PaleOrc and Alcast and JDub and the other live streamers (PTS or not) when I want to hear the raid/group calls or have the live action explained as I go, by the expert players in the game. Watching the action bar is a priority. This is how I learn when I am stuck on content or don't understand what is killing me in PvP. It is also like watching some of the best choreography.

There's a fourth group, the nice people chatterers/hosts. If I have insomnia, want some company and don't want to start a TV program or audio book, half an hour or so watching/listening will send me away from screen feeling as if I have met some nice new people and had a pleasant time at the local cafe thanks to the friendly proprietor aka stream host.

edited: Forgot to add. There is a sub group of these chill folks who actually take people chosen from twitch chat through in game group content so the twitch audience member can learn/be carried/be on twitch Shout out to Lucky and a whole bunch of others who break down the fourth wall regularly doing this. These streams are very popular from my observations.

The OTT, shouty, 'quirky', random costumed, screaming, theatre makeup wearing folks don't do it for me.

Question: to those who responded ''why watch when I can play" Do they watch sports that they also play? or go to dance/music recitals as well as performing/playing themselves? Or do those people only watch things they don't do themselves. I'm curious.

edited for endless typos

remosito

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I think there are a few reasons:

1. Streaming is highly personality-driven and often NOT in a good way. Unless you play a game at the very highest level, the fastest way to attract viewers is to have an obvious "schtick" or eccentric personality. I find streamers of this ilk to be highly annoying and avoid them but many, many more are drawn to them instead. ESO tends to skew older in its player base (versus the gaming population at large) and, as such, its streamers tend to be more relaxed and adult than most other games. And the audience for watching a laid-back adult play a game calmly will always be smaller than those who want to see a wacky/loud/offensive personality rage at a game instead.

2. Lack of high-end streamers in both PvE and PvP. Elite gameplay always draws viewers but there simply aren't that many elite players that also stream in ESO. My favorite all-around ESO streamer is Nefas and he is basically the only one (along with Alcast) who I ever see streaming "World's First/Fastest" type of content with their guilds. On the PvP side, there are several highly skilled players (and PaleOrc is basically the only streamer of high-end group play) and they're usually near the top of the viewer counts when they're active, but sadly performance always creeps into those streams as an unavoidable issue and often the streams are as much the streamer fighting against the game as it is with other players. Until performance is fixed, watching elite PvP is like watching a top CS:Go player trying to stream with 25 FPS - yes, you can do it but it's an awful experience and the game is hard-capping the streamer's ability to perform at their highest level.

That said, there are many excellent ESO streamers across all types of content.

I agree. That said, I watch 3 types of streamers:
1. Nefas, SkinnyCheeks and the other few quality how to build/do/patch note streamers when I want to understand something.
2. Stabbity and the other makers of 'the how to do housing' stream tours. I do this very occasionally when I am doing housing in game and need inspiration. I tend to watch these (and all streams) more often when RL has me incapable of socialising or concentrating, even in game. It's gentle company, like a tour of the art gallery with a bunch of friendly like minded souls.
3. SingPlayteach and PaleOrc and Alcast and JDub and the other live streamers (PTS or not) when I want to hear the raid/group calls or have the live action explained as I go, by the expert players in the game. Watching the action bar is a priority. This is how I learn when I am stuck on content or don't understand what is killing me in PvP. It is also like watching some of the best choreography.

There's a fourth group, the nice people chatterers/hosts. If I have insomnia, want some company and don't want to start a TV program or audio book, half an hour or so will send me away from screen feeling as if I have met some nice people and had a pleasant time at the local cafe thanks to the friendly proprieter'stream host.

edited: Forgot to add. There is a sub group of these chill folks who actually take people chosen from twitch chat through in game group content so the twitch audience member can learn/be carried/be on twitch Shout out to Lucky and a whole bunch of others who break down the fourth wall regularly doing this.

The OTT shouty, 'quirky', random screaming, theatre makeup wearing follks don't do it for me.

Question: to those who responded ''why watch when I can play" Do they watch sports that they also play? or go to dance/music reccitals as well as performing/playing themselves? Or do those people only watch things they don't do themselves. I'm curious.

dont watch sports. dont do them either. I do watch documentaries about places, nature, animals though. even though I travel and go outdoors. but without winning lottery actually seeing it all myself aint gonna happen. so documentaries it is.

so yes.. i guess I dont watch stuff I could just do myself...

etchedpixels

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

I've noticed that compared to other MMOs (WOW/ FF14 being the top comparisons), ESO has a low twitch presence in the community. Not a lot of
viewers watching ESO streamers. I'm just curious what it is about ESO that isn't as entertaining to watch compared to other MMOS.

ESO is mostly a story game except for end game.

So you can either watch elite end game players or spoilers.

Jusey1

As someone who does do twitch streams... I think the answer is simply that ESO is a very easy and boring game to watch. It's layback and enjoyable to play, but watching someone else? Not that fun. There isn't much activity and enjoyment a streamer can truly express unless they're streaming very specific aspects of ESO, such as PvP and end-game dungeon content... And even then. Those activities will have some down time and limitations.

Klad

Well...first off Twitch (same with YouTube btw) is a haven for stream scammers and Sociopath's, also... their moderators are in my opinion very unethical.

But that isn't what you really asked... ESO isn't a game you just watch, it's a game you play, you have to be involved. Folks watch WoW because it isn't really a MMORPG it is a hypercompetitive meat grinder, that has caused tragedy to a lot of players.

In ESO I grab a couple of my friends and we explore Tamriel, we create awesome Weapons and Armor and become part of a interesting story. You can't watch that, but you can participate.

I'm not saying that ESO is completely devoid of competition, I'm saying it's competitive play never really took off, and for a vast majority of players that is a good thing.

Just my two shekels.