Soo... Zos, when are you going to give us NEW PVP content ?

C0RTEX4

It's been 7+ years and nothing really new, pvp feels like a drag and has become boring, what's your take on it guys?

Please feel free to comment!.

trackdemon5512

No new PVP content until you fix current PVP. Plain and simple.

In order to design new content you would have to take into consideration just how things are expected to work and if things could possibly change. BGs dealt with this by being no-CP only and limited to small instances.

StarOfElyon

I would rather have new weapons and skill lines. Also, I want the old classes brought up to the level of the DLC classes.

hands0medevil

Just don't count on it, if you are pvp player, prepare yourself to explore other, new worlds soon. ZOS seems to just not care about pvp content in game, about pvp content creators, pvp balance, pvp in general. PVP draws most of twitch audience but it's not enough. Furnishing, pets, mounts, crates are what brings most profit. The only pvp content we are going to receive anytime soon is.... pve map for cyrodiil.

McGordon

Only new thing u will get in PVP is new lag.
But if i could put wish, we dont need new content. Please noooo.
Cyrodill need rework and it needs to be tied with IC. Stop spliting pvp. Rework it.
They need to kill cyrodill as it is and make a new content as payed chapter.

Sleep724

I really would like to see a large Alliance vs Alliance battleground. Something not in Cyrodiil, maybe on the coast of a province or farther inland, two way battle only, group and solo que. 12v12 or maybe a bit larger. Each battle can contribute to a campaign that the NPCs can refer to as their side stopping the invasion or being pushed back and losing land. That’s my initial idea anyway lol.

Just something new for pvp please.

Lord_Wrath

If anything, Cyrodil is plagued with problems that need fixed. Beyond that, I think new ideas should be implemented into that already vast zone and help spread people out.

xAarionx

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

No new PVP content until you fix current PVP. Plain and simple.

In order to design new content you would have to take into consideration just how things are expected to work and if things could possibly change. BGs dealt with this by being no-CP only and limited to small instances.

Hmm, maybe the only way to fix the current pvp is completely recreating it?
I think Cyrodil should be enteraly revanped, not because it's not cool the idea of a giant open world map full of people able to kill each other, but impractical! ever since this game is launched i hear people saiyng the cyrodil is lagged beyond measure, and this was never fixed... And i think never will

Maybe this idea needs to be rethinked, like smaller maps with fewer castles and more limited distances
maybe it's make better

MurderMostFoul

How about a 20v20 Alterac Valley (from WOW) type mode? Each group has a keep at opposite ends of the map. First team to cap the other team's keep wins.

hands0medevil

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

How about a 20v20 Alterac Valley (from WOW) type mode? Each group has a keep at opposite ends of the map. First team to cap the other team's keep wins.

We can imagine everything:

1. quick mininsiege PVP mode for BGs
2. 1v1 class and mixed ranked PVP mode
3. skins for siege weapons
4. add some meaning to claiming the keeps, for example guilds could be able to manage claimed keep - place npcs, sieges, place guild banners next to alliance banners, anything to make it even slightly meaningful
5. rotation of items dropping from reward of the worthy chests
and much more.

But it won't happen, because it would require real attention from Znimax. Instead we have never ending performance fix and tests on live servers. Maybe it will end for 10th anniversary. Three Banners War lost it's meaning in eso, factions lost it's meaning, cyrodiil is in more and more messy state. Being pvper in eso feels like you are doing something wrong to the eso community, like you don't belong here, because you are necessary evil as pvp must exist but you have demands, suggestions, you ask for performance fixes and balance. You try to use game mechanics as best as it's possible, you optimize builds and you get bashed and punished for it, because you are "too good", you have "too much APM"...

Blacknight841

Sorry, pvp content is currently delayed...
2020 - mini game,
2021 - virtual npc friends,
2022 - chariots for your mounts,
2023 - virtual lore book club

C0RTEX4

hands0medevil wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

How about a 20v20 Alterac Valley (from WOW) type mode? Each group has a keep at opposite ends of the map. First team to cap the other team's keep wins.

We can imagine everything:

1. quick mininsiege PVP mode for BGs
2. 1v1 class and mixed ranked PVP mode
3. skins for siege weapons
4. add some meaning to claiming the keeps, for example guilds could be able to manage claimed keep - place npcs, sieges, place guild banners next to alliance banners, anything to make it even slightly meaningful
5. rotation of items dropping from reward of the worthy chests
and much more.

But it won't happen, because it would require real attention from Znimax. Instead we have never ending performance fix and tests on live servers. Maybe it will end for 10th anniversary. Three Banners War lost it's meaning in eso, factions lost it's meaning, cyrodiil is in more and more messy state. Being pvper in eso feels like you are doing something wrong to the eso community, like you don't belong here, because you are necessary evil as pvp must exist but you have demands, suggestions, you ask for performance fixes and balance. You try to use game mechanics as best as it's possible, you optimize builds and you get bashed and punished for it, because you are "too good", you have "too much APM"...

Exactly I myself and others feel like we are always doing something wrong when we try to enjoy pvp, or as if we aren’t meant to even play the game sometimes because of the constant negativity we get from the pve part of the game, also the fact we get these “adjustments” just because we play our classes really well, this is why so many good players have left the game, the very same players that pioneered the pvp play styles we have today in cyrodill, it’s sad really, we really do feel as if we aren’t worth anything to the community anymore these days.

Honestly these are the conversations that keep popping up in both CP and NON CP pvp and they never get addressed.

Katahdin

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

Sandman929

I don't really need to see my targeting fail
my character freeze
go through a door just to be put back on the wrong side of the door
run for 15 minutes because I'm "in combat"
get knocked into a wall that I can't get out of because I'm "in combat"
my ultimate fail to cast
my potion fail to be consumed

...in a new environment.

This like asking a new "unusually long load screen" screen to really bring some life back to being stuck in load screens.

OlumoGarbag

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

But they can create a more tight fighting area in it. With instanced fights instead of huge riding simulators

AuraNebula

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

Lore wise it would be nice to have an ending to the 3 banner war. We know no one wins theThrone, so maybe throwing in an imperial faction and having it based inside imperial city (but a revamped version)
Or something like that would be pretty cool.

Seraphayel

Let us PvP in player houses. A lot of houses are massive outdoor and indoor spaces, having them available as PvP arenas would be absolutely fantastic.

Vlad9425

Our current PvP environment is an absolute unplayable disgrace so I’d rather see that fixed first before adding more content.

MooseKnuckles88

Everyone is terrified of experiencing more lag in cyrodiil, which is understandable having said that, I do agree that cyrodiil could use a new look. The same scenery since the day of creation is very boring especially if you're a diehard pvp player. PvE get new content all the time, would be nice if they flipped the map around or recreated the landscape/buildings to keep things new and interesting in addition to the existing lag since we all know by now that it'll be a forever feature since the lag hasn't been fixed yet.

Seraphayel

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Our current PvP environment is an absolute unplayable disgrace so I’d rather see that fixed first before adding more content.

They can’t fix it. It’s a false hope at this point, it might get a little better, but it will never be good. So I’d rather arrange with what we have and get more of it, than not getting anything at all.

ThreeXB

C0RTEX4 wrote: »

It's been 7+ years and nothing really new, pvp feels like a drag and has become boring, what's your take on it guys?

Please feel free to comment!.

Nothing new in 7 years ?????
Cyrodiil population cap cut by 80%
No level 5 keeps anymore
No 24 man groups
No resource doors/destruction
90% of gear not giving all benefits
No little critters
And I'm sure I forgot a few more

Thechuckage

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

Important story NPCs got brought back from the dead with a one line throw-away dialogue to explain it.

3 banner war could just as easily get ended.

Elo106

Group vs Group duels please, this would add so much possibilities and it shouldnt be that much work?

Greasytengu

I would love to see some 'group vs group' type battlegrounds. Bonus points if you can set up matches with another specific group. Might even get something resembling a competitive PVP scene.

As things stand, If we want to have a GvG tournament you have to find a open space on a server full of people who may or may not interfere (while taking up space on the server where people are actually playing to win the campaign), deal with the lag that comes from a server at primetime or set up the tournament during off hours, and perform head counts before matches to make sure everyone is compliant with the group sizes. Then you have to set up the fight orders, and seeing as there are 3 factions you cant always determine a definitive winner. What if the 2 best performing groups are on the same faction? You cant have them fight eachother.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail

While I'd like to see more things to keep PVP players happy, it makes me sad to think that people genuinely cling to hope.

What you have, is what you've got, and they aren't going to develop more - no matter how many posts.

itscompton

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

Imagine though if there were just one big circular PvE dungeon with 20 bosses that each had a few attack patterns. It would seem like a very intense experience with a good amount of variety for quite a while, but after 7 years it would just be stale and boring. Would you not be asking for something new at that point too?

xAarionx

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

Nobody is askying to delete Cyrodil
But it's clear that the central Idea of how the Cyrodlll war works needs to be rethinked
The servers cannot deal with the strain of so many charaters and events ocurring at the same time in a huge map, thats why no matter what zos make, ikt's will always have serious problems with lag and latency

Maybe cut the map in 3 pieces, make it smaller so you can actually divide de strain trough diferent patches of the server, I don't know, i'm just guessing, since i'm not an expert in this matter

But i'm sure an specialist can come up with an idea that would solve the problem and still true the core of the idea behind it...
The truth stais, Cyrodil war is very unatractive and one of the main reasons is the Lag

(Just to be clear, thats ONE of the many reasons, not the only one)

C0RTEX4

itscompton wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

Imagine though if there were just one big circular PvE dungeon with 20 bosses that each had a few attack patterns. It would seem like a very intense experience with a good amount of variety for quite a while, but after 7 years it would just be stale and boring. Would you not be asking for something new at that point too?

Exactly my point, people seem to have forgotten that repeating the same thing over and over gets boring and staring at things that do nothing for you is boring, I mean even us just having something like:

New skins, Armor styles, mounts, siege weapons, keeps, flags, banners, actual OBJECTIVES!! for Cyrodill would be better than, "Here you go guys 1 map, x amount of keeps, and 6 scrolls, now go play for 7 + Years, but we are going to nerf you all and take your stuff away as the years go by and also never give you anything".

I mean come on guys there are ALOT of players that ONLY play pvp here, so it's like at least make what we have currently more interesting if you can't be bothered to make new content for us pvp players.

Goregrinder

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

How about a 20v20 Alterac Valley (from WOW) type mode? Each group has a keep at opposite ends of the map. First team to cap the other team's keep wins.

I'd take that over a new boring dungeon any day.

kargen27

You don't really want new content. new content would dilute an already small population. As it is now Imperial City is often sparsely populated other than when events send us there. Most times we can farm the sewers for Telvar in peace. Players complain about long queues during non peak times in battlegrounds and only one campaign in Cyrodiil is consistently full. New content is maybe the last thing PvP needs.

New dynamics in the content that exists would be nice.

Katahdin

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

They cant just delete Cyrodiil and the Three Banners War or move it to some new area.
It is part of the game world and the lore.

We already have Cyro, IC and BG. How many more ways do you want to split and dilute the PVP playerbase?

But they can create a more tight fighting area in it. With instanced fights instead of huge riding simulators

So you want to take the large scale out of the large scale PVP that this game was sold on.

That would be a non starter for much of the PVP population and they would stop playing the game rather than go to yet another small scale type PVP. We already have Battlegrounds, IC and yes dueling for "small scale"

The only thing they could add would be some type of Guild vs Guild battles where organized teams of 6, 8 or 10 join an arena for a guild battle of some sort. But to "revamp" Cyrodiil, shrink it in half, half the population yet again......no

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