2022 : Certainly Hammerfell but...

MaisonNaevius

Today I ask myself the question... Unless surprised, we should go to Hammerfell in 2022 but what will be the Chapter area ? Will we again have a mixed of two provinces like Blackwood ?



An exclusively Redguard plot, as of today, would look like what we had with Western Skyrim : let's not forget that King Fahara'jad of Sentinel is not recognized or appreciated in the realms of the South. Fahara'jad's reign is fragile and depends mostly on the Daggerfall Convenant.

This is only one idea among many, but I have the impression that Blackwood could, from a geopolitical point of view, play a role in the relaxation of relations between the Empire and the Argonians if not is not the Pact. So will there be something between the Imperials and the Convenant or just the Redguards?

The map of the Colovian Estates corresponds to a Chapter ... But I tell myself that it may be a little too big .. Sutch is placed in such a way that he could be isolated in an area much smaller than a Q4 DLC.
We come to the image above. So the Brena River is not as wide and this border will certainly have to be redrawn. In short, I imagine we will have Rihad and Sutch as well as an unknown Redguard colony to the north. The area could be extended to west at Taneth.

hcbigdogdoghc

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Raegwyr

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

Gythral

TES VI looks more like Duke Nukem Forever
we may get it but in this lifetime???

zaria

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

This, now as ESO is set before TES VI they could play with it a bit as you revisit places like dungeons.
And I guess they go west on the next expansion, Hammerfell to Skingrad, its room for multiple chapters here.

Orion_89

Hammerfell for the redguards! If so, then we strongly need full-stamina class shehai warrior!

But I bet it will be a Solstheim or something more recognizable for common skyrim-player.

Seraphayel

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

Aptonoth

Every year for the past two years the first hint at next year's chapter is in one of the first dungeons. So in 2019 the first dungeon dlc referenced a place in skyrim I forget where. After that the next year 2020 referenced Imperial library and lo and behold. Now the only reference I seen to another province in the new dungeons is Evilyee saying something about all the berries in blackmarsh or something. I read the notes just in case and other than Abnur tharn and longhouse emperor's found no clues at all of any other provinces mentioned.

So like a 75% chance we are going to black marsh next year. Assuming the pattern holds I mean realistically it was only between Hammerfell and BM anyways. I didn't see a single reference to Hammerfell at all and they keep it as obvious as they can do build up with foreshadowing for next year. Now this is assuming they don't throw a curve ball at me, but I doubt it as every year I make this topic or post about it in threads and many don't believe me. Granted my hammerfell isn't up to snuff compared to other provinces. Why is it guaranteed HM is after? Well they said every province that isn't complete or have an expansion will get one first before they go back to filling in areas that need more expac's. If you see lots of BM references in the the chapter it will mean we are going there next year if you see more Hammerfell we will be going there.

Aptonoth

Gythral wrote: »

TES VI looks more like Duke Nukem Forever
we may get it but in this lifetime???

People are starting to wake up to the fact both Starfield and ES6 are vaporwear. Not that Beth has made anything good in a long time anyways all their top talent is in Zenimax now every game Beth has made has only gotten worse and worse so yeah even if these come out I'm not excited as I would have been.

Chaos2088

They might have a joint release of when elder scrolls 6 comes out and we have a section of Hammerfell/year stroy that some side quests hint hint nudge nudge to content in the single player game and back the ther way.

Would be an interesting marketing point. We are going to get all of Tamriel in the game (and beyond) at some point. A whole years story about the sands of Hamerfell would be ace.

hcbigdogdoghc

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

https://old.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/klh4th/tesvi_vs_taneth_hammerfell_skyrim_out_of_bounds/

In the elder scrolls 25th anniversary video, it showed them modeling a desert landscape. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWW9LVhyNs , 8:30)

There was supposed to be a redguard dlc in Skyrim, but Todd for some reason ditched that idea.

In this tweet,

https://twitter.com/ElderScrolls/status/1344674735901339648,

there's a third light in Hammerfell's location with a desert like background.

A highly respected mod in the teslore subreddit mentioned that someone in Bethesda told him it's hammerfell

ladynerevar is a mod in r/TesviHammerfell on reddit

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

All the references to hammerfell in Blades and Skyrim, while we literally know nothing about High Rock in the 4th era.

It's hammerfell, any other theories saying not hammerfell is pretty much borderline delusion at this point. Plus Bethesda hates bretons remember? Just see how poorly they are treated in this game, and you expect Bethesda to make a game about them?

Snowstrider

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

3 years? 2030 as earliest. They havent even started to work on TES VI

Aptonoth

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

https://old.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/klh4th/tesvi_vs_taneth_hammerfell_skyrim_out_of_bounds/

In the elder scrolls 25th anniversary video, it showed them modeling a desert landscape. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWW9LVhyNs , 8:30)

There was supposed to be a redguard dlc in Skyrim, but Todd for some reason ditched that idea.

In this tweet,

https://twitter.com/ElderScrolls/status/1344674735901339648,

there's a third light in Hammerfell's location with a desert like background.

A highly respected mod in the teslore subreddit mentioned that someone in Bethesda told him it's hammerfell

ladynerevar is a mod in r/TesviHammerfell on reddit

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

All the hints to hammerfell in Blades and Skyrim

It's hammerfell, any other theories saying not hammerfell is pretty much borderline delusion at this point.

Uh we already had high rock lol. All of it in daggerall. There is nothing stepping them from doing it in an open world game as its all in ESO lol. I know Hammerfell is the next location but those reasons are kind of lol. I'm really sick of human provinces in every main line game. I don't know why Todd and his crew are so scared of putting fantasy in their games and elder scrolls lore in their games its why people buy them and not you know other rpg's lol. I mean the human provinces are all so boring in ESO and its like I could have gone to them in real life there is so little fantasy in them lol.

As for my singleplayer rpg needs other companies have eclipsed ES a long time ago.

Seraphayel

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

https://old.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/klh4th/tesvi_vs_taneth_hammerfell_skyrim_out_of_bounds/

In the elder scrolls 25th anniversary video, it showed them modeling a desert landscape. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWW9LVhyNs , 8:30)

There was supposed to be a redguard dlc in Skyrim, but Todd for some reason ditched that idea.

In this tweet,

https://twitter.com/ElderScrolls/status/1344674735901339648,

there's a third light in Hammerfell's location with a desert like background.

A highly respected mod in the teslore subreddit mentioned that someone in Bethesda told him it's hammerfell

ladynerevar is a mod in r/TesviHammerfell on reddit

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

All the references to hammerfell in Blades and Skyrim, while we literally know nothing about High Rock in the 4th era.

It's hammerfell, any other theories saying not hammerfell is pretty much borderline delusion at this point. Plus Bethesda hates bretons remember? Just see how poorly they are treated in this game, and you expect Bethesda to make a game about them?

Very interesting, thank you!

hcbigdogdoghc

Aptonoth wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

https://old.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/klh4th/tesvi_vs_taneth_hammerfell_skyrim_out_of_bounds/

In the elder scrolls 25th anniversary video, it showed them modeling a desert landscape. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWW9LVhyNs , 8:30)

There was supposed to be a redguard dlc in Skyrim, but Todd for some reason ditched that idea.

In this tweet,

https://twitter.com/ElderScrolls/status/1344674735901339648,

there's a third light in Hammerfell's location with a desert like background.

A highly respected mod in the teslore subreddit mentioned that someone in Bethesda told him it's hammerfell

ladynerevar is a mod in r/TesviHammerfell on reddit

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

All the hints to hammerfell in Blades and Skyrim

It's hammerfell, any other theories saying not hammerfell is pretty much borderline delusion at this point.

Uh we already had high rock lol. All of it in daggerall. There is nothing stepping them from doing it in an open world game as its all in ESO lol. I know Hammerfell is the next location but those reasons are kind of lol. I'm really sick of human provinces in every main line game. I don't know why Todd and his crew are so scared of putting fantasy in their games and elder scrolls lore in their games its why people buy them and not you know other rpg's lol. I mean the human provinces are all so boring in ESO and its like I could have gone to them in real life there is so little fantasy in them lol.

As for my singleplayer rpg needs other companies have eclipsed ES a long time ago.

Daggerfall is not all of High Rock, it's only the Illac bay region, so the southern 1/3 part of high rock and the northern 1/5 part of Hammerfell.

Aptonoth

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Aptonoth wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

https://old.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/klh4th/tesvi_vs_taneth_hammerfell_skyrim_out_of_bounds/

In the elder scrolls 25th anniversary video, it showed them modeling a desert landscape. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWW9LVhyNs , 8:30)

There was supposed to be a redguard dlc in Skyrim, but Todd for some reason ditched that idea.

In this tweet,

https://twitter.com/ElderScrolls/status/1344674735901339648,

there's a third light in Hammerfell's location with a desert like background.

A highly respected mod in the teslore subreddit mentioned that someone in Bethesda told him it's hammerfell

ladynerevar is a mod in r/TesviHammerfell on reddit

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

All the hints to hammerfell in Blades and Skyrim

It's hammerfell, any other theories saying not hammerfell is pretty much borderline delusion at this point.

Uh we already had high rock lol. All of it in daggerall. There is nothing stepping them from doing it in an open world game as its all in ESO lol. I know Hammerfell is the next location but those reasons are kind of lol. I'm really sick of human provinces in every main line game. I don't know why Todd and his crew are so scared of putting fantasy in their games and elder scrolls lore in their games its why people buy them and not you know other rpg's lol. I mean the human provinces are all so boring in ESO and its like I could have gone to them in real life there is so little fantasy in them lol.

As for my singleplayer rpg needs other companies have eclipsed ES a long time ago.

Daggerfall is not all of High Rock, it was only the Illac bay region, so only the southern 1/3 part of high rock and the northern 1/5 part of Hammerfell.

Hmm I didn't know that, but still it could easily be done.

Vhozek

Hammerfell in ESO 2022 so we then get to play Hammerfell in 2023 in TES6.
I can see it happening.

Lugaldu

Aptonoth wrote: »

Now the only reference I seen to another province in the new dungeons is Evilyee saying something about all the berries in blackmarsh or something. I read the notes just in case and other than Abnur tharn and longhouse emperor's found no clues at all of any other provinces mentioned.
So like a 75% chance we are going to black marsh next year.

Seriously, more swamps? I dont believe that. We still have Lyris's remark about Skingrad floating in the air.

MaisonNaevius

Wow .. I didn't expect to have 17 notifications.

I just want to say one thing .. Who cares about TES VI. We are talking about ESO there. Hammerfell in ESO has a different story proposed compared to TES VI. At that point, it would have been USELESS to suggest Western Skyrim and Blackwood.

Let's stay within the framework of ESO. Because ESO will need to have a 100% completed Tamriel map. I thought for ESO exclusive players or Redguard roleplayers on ESO. We literally don't care about TES VI.
TES VI which I do not expect at all given the poor work of TES IV and TES V for the lore.

I repeat myself once again: stay in ESO. If you are talking about TES VI, you are off topic.

It seems to me very difficult for Black Marsh to be in the spotlight in 2022. Because technically we have part of Cyrodiil and part of Black Marsh this year.
I dream of Colovia. But clearly, it will not be before we have made a significant new rotation of the provinces.
We'll have to go through Hammerfell sooner or later. We will then have the Telvanni Peninsula. Maybe the rest of Eastern Skyrim and finally Colovia or Nibenay Valley.

Bradyfjord

If Hammerfel/Redguards are going to be the main feature of a game or expansion, I hope they do something so they aren't defined by their superstitions/fears of the undead. In a fantasy land, undead are a reality so it makes no sense they would develop traditions that paralyze them from taking actions to defend themselves. I was rather disappointed in the presentation of the Redguards.

Lugaldu

Bradyfjord wrote: »

If Hammerfel/Redguards are going to be the main feature of a game or expansion, I hope they do something so they aren't defined by their superstitions/fears of the undead. In a fantasy land, undead are a reality so it makes no sense they would develop traditions that paralyze them from taking actions to defend themselves. I was rather disappointed in the presentation of the Redguards.

Even if the undead are a reality in Tamriel, that doesn't mean that a particular group of people can't develop fear or superstitions against them. Spiders are a reality on Earth too, but some people get paralyzed out of fear because of them.

RaddlemanNumber7

I think ESO Hammerfell and TESVI are inextricably connected. Even if ESO Hammerfell is not a full-on prequel for TESVI, its lore and storylines must be able to serve as a coherent part of history for the TESVI content.

Remember this lady from Elsweyr?

It's a big hint. ESO isn't going to Hammerfell until Vigwenn gets her "special ingredients", and that's not going to happen until BGS have gone firm on the story content for TESVI. Like Vigwenn says, it will happen "eventually" but, as native English speakers know, "eventually" is much, much further away than "soon". "Eventually" is a lot more like the many, many, many years that Pete Hines was talking about for TESVI.

Sotha_Sil

Hammerfel in itself sounds unappealing. What daedric prince would be added this time as the main story vilain ?

starkerealm

Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth (the 2014 Quakecon video), they teased a location in Hammerfell called Sunforge. So, that's possible. There is another distinct possibility I wouldn't count out just yet: Skingrad.

B0SSzombie

A big factor will be just where we go in this year.

The Chapter is certainly Southeast Cyrodiil along with a bit of Western Blackmarsh, since that's where Blackwood is. And we'll also get locations in the Deadlands in the Chapter, but possibly not an entire separate zone.

The big question is if the 4th Quarter DLC is exclusively the Deadlands, ala Coldharbour, or if it has another zone along with it, like the Chapter and Zone DLC from 2020 had.

If it includes MORE Blackmarsh, then almost certainly Hammerfell will be the focus, unless ZOS goes for another otherworldly location, or even wherever Falinesti currently is.

MaisonNaevius

Originally we were supposed to have Sunforge and the Weeping Desert. You know the rest.

I won't be against a year on Colovia for 2022 lol, but it is far too early for Skingrad. Because of Leyawiin.

I ask myself the question but: why do you absolutely want the main villain to be a Daedra? A little originality possible?

Lugaldu

MaisonNaevius wrote: »

I ask myself the question but: why do you absolutely want the main villain to be a Daedra? A little originality possible?

Yes, let's sail to Thras and fight an ugly Sload as the main villain.

phantasmalD

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

I think ESO Hammerfell and TESVI are inextricably connected. Even if ESO Hammerfell is not a full-on prequel for TESVI, its lore and storylines must be able to serve as a coherent part of history for the TESVI content.

Remember this lady from Elsweyr?

It's a big hint. ESO isn't going to Hammerfell until Vigwenn gets her "special ingredients", and that's not going to happen until BGS have gone firm on the story content for TESVI. Like Vigwenn says, it will happen "eventually" but, as native English speakers know, "eventually" is much, much further away than "soon". "Eventually" is a lot more like the many, many, many years that Pete Hines was talking about for TESVI.

I'd interpret that quote more like 'No Hammerfell chapter until after Skyrim'. And we've just been to Skyrim.

While yes, Bethesda prob going to try to sync up TES6 and ESO landspace so there aren't major contradictions, they don't have to release TES6 just for that. Anything that ZoS would create could be integrated into TES6 (in fact they already have to do that since 50% of the province is already present in ESO), tho it is wise to have a rough layout anyway.

Considering that the TES6 teaser video is almost 3 years old at this point, they have most definitely have a fully fleshed out map for Hammerfell by now. They already had to have a rough idea to be able to create a teaser for it after all.

Imo the main reason we haven't had any Hammerfell chapters up till this point is because technically we already had one. While Craglorn predates the yearly chapter model it pretty much fills the same role and has a similar amount of content.

Seraphayel

We had Hew‘s Bane as a Hammerfell DLC, don’t forget that.

MaisonNaevius

It is a question of cycle. This year we will have Cyrodiil / Blackmarsh then undoubtedly Hammerfell in 2022. Then undoubtedly the dunmer.
The scheme looks similar back in the years of the two DLC guilds.

bluebird

I mean, they really don't have to. I don't disagree that it's a contender, but they could do anything.

Note that half of this year will be dedicated to Oblivion (Q4 is Deadlands), so since they're happy creating entire zone DLCs that take place in Daedric realms, their options are basically limitless. We could have a Meridia-centric Coloured Rooms DLC, Apocrypha content focused on Hermaeus Mora (who has been relatively absent from ESO previously), Sheogorath and the Shivering Isles...

They could easily tie those to any ESO race (I mean... cats and dragons weren't exactly an intuitive match either) and the'd just have to create one geographic Tamrielic zone (although they don't even have to do that, we could get an entirely Oblivion-focused year), which wouldn't even need to be dedicated to a single race. The Blackwood Chapter for example is shared by Imperials and Argonians (and I believe both Imperial and Argonian fans were somewhat miffed by not getting even a single Chapter while cats got a while year all to themselves). Because of that, an Imperial and an Argonian Chapter are also not entirely off the table (Blackmarsh has just as much non-uncovered area as Hammerfell, and Cyrodiil has nearly as much, including the Skingrad which Lyris hinted at). We also have the Telvanni Coast, the rest of Skyrim, and more exotic locations like Pyandonea or Akavir (though I do think those are unlikely).

tl;dr: Is Hammerfell possible? Absolutely! Is it guaranteed? Not really imo.