2022 : Certainly Hammerfell but...

Scardan

I do not understand. We have Hammerfell in base game already. What does it have to do with more Hammerfell (is our Hammerfell not complete?) with TES6 if we already have Hammerfell.

MaisonNaevius

Hammerfell is much bigger.

We were also supposed to have the Weeping Desert and Sunforge but as of today we only have Alik'r Desert, Hew's Bane and Stros M'kai.

It is obvious that the original borders of the two zones which are now absent will be reviewed. Much like Blackwood which originally was to be the imperial piece of the region only. The Argonian part being included in the original Murkmire south of Shadowfen.
Haafingar was included in a much larger map of the Reach. Hjaalmarch had his own instance that was sized like a Q4 DLC or Gold Coast DLC size.

Kadraeus

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

I want both tbh. Hammerfell because I dig desert civilizations and I'd love a fantasy game with (hopefully) a heavily "African" aesthetic (in quotes because there are obviously many different cultures in the continent). It'd be really unique and interesting. The Persian and Egyptian aesthetics in ESO are nice, but they aren't as unique. I've seen some other people express interest in more "sub-Saharan" cultures being used as inspiration specifically (in the areas we haven't seen yet, of course). I'd honestly love that.

I also would like High Rock to be in it too so the environments and cities are even more diverse. I think they totally could do it considering how big open world games tend to be now (unless they just make Hammerfell larger). Diversity in the environments is pretty key, as I've played certain other games where exploring felt like a chore because the world, while beautiful, felt mostly the same no matter where I went.

Aptonoth

Lugaldu wrote: »

Aptonoth wrote: »

Now the only reference I seen to another province in the new dungeons is Evilyee saying something about all the berries in blackmarsh or something. I read the notes just in case and other than Abnur tharn and longhouse emperor's found no clues at all of any other provinces mentioned.
So like a 75% chance we are going to black marsh next year.

Seriously, more swamps? I dont believe that. We still have Lyris's remark about Skingrad floating in the air.

That was from last year it has to be a hint from this year or it doesn't count. Also for the record all chapter hints only point to the province we are going to not necessarily the specific area. Also like it or not there is a huge amount of swampy stuff to get out of the way it just has to be done. I was a little surprised myself usually they don't like doubling up on two years of stuff like this I was totally expecting hammerfell. I'm shocked to see it not referenced. Still if the pattern holds BM 2022. We will know for sure in three months if they hint lots towards more BM or more towards HM. Still I would expect to see BM next year.

MaisonNaevius

I don't understand your clue. Reliable clues have always been the name of the provincial capital mentioned at the very end of a DLC's main story. There was never a mistake until Lyris and "Skingrad" (which hurts my morale terribly).

There will never be two years of swamps in a row.

MasterSpatula

DC territory is absolutely owed a big expansion, and they already robbed the Bretons of the opportunity to get one, so Hammerfell seems most likely.

But I have to admit that I had my heart so set on going to Skingrad that I'm kinda hoping to see that next time.

MaisonNaevius

Colovia and Blackwood are two very different environments. But these are two imperial provinces. People would scream if we had two consecutive Imperial years ... Although Colovian culture and Nibenese culture are two very different and conflicting things.

I don't think we have any other territories for DC. The rest of Hammerfell being hostile to Fahara'jad who appears to be DC's only supporter.

SeaGtGruff

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

I'm not arguing with your conclusion, because I agree (or hope, anyway) that TES6 will be set in Hammerfell. But why do you think that High Rock's shape precludes it from being the setting for an open-world sandbox RPG? It's not like we can't take a ship from Daggerfall to Wayrest if we want, or buy a cart ride to Wrothgar.

hcbigdogdoghc

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

I'm not arguing with your conclusion, because I agree (or hope, anyway) that TES6 will be set in Hammerfell. But why do you think that High Rock's shape precludes it from being the setting for an open-world sandbox RPG? It's not like we can't take a ship from Daggerfall to Wayrest if we want, or buy a cart ride to Wrothgar.

I don't know how to put it in English, but basically High Rock is too "linear". What open world game has the land mass of high rock? None. Every open world game looks like what you see in Cyrodiil or Skyrim, which has a "box" like shape, if you know what I mean.

SeaGtGruff

To me, that just sounds like all the more reason to break the mold!

JD2013

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

3 years. Oh sweet summer child ...

Raegwyr

JD2013 wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

3 years. Oh sweet summer child ...

Learn to read please, 3 years is a 100% confirmed no tes vi. They said before they need to release 2 titles, we know now that they were talking about starfield and indiana. There are leaks saying starfield will be released in end 2021 (usual beth scedule for big rpg release) or 2022. Knowing beth working schema and that TES VI was in pre production during the announcement in 2018 and there is a high chance they started working on that title. So 2024 is optymistic but not unreal (the 30th anniversary of elder scrolls ip also sounds like good marketing phrase), personally i bet 2026.
Also microsoft deal changes everything as there is a high chance microsoft will pump a lot of money into the ip to get strong titles accessible only on pc and xbox. There is even a possibilty now for new fallout from obsidian because of that deal so don't "summer child" me mate

JD2013

Raegwyr wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

3 years. Oh sweet summer child ...

Learn to read please, 3 years is a 100% confirmed no tes vi. They said before they need to release 2 titles, we know now that they were talking about starfield and indiana. There are leaks saying starfield will be released in end 2021 (usual beth scedule for big rpg release) or 2022. Knowing beth working schema and that TES VI was in pre production during the announcement in 2018 and there is a high chance they started working on that title. So 2024 is optymistic but not unreal (the 30th anniversary of elder scrolls ip also sounds like good marketing phrase), personally i bet 2026.
Also microsoft deal changes everything as there is a high chance microsoft will pump a lot of money into the ip to get strong titles accessible only on pc and xbox. There is even a possibilty now for new fallout from obsidian because of that deal so don't "summer child" me mate

Chill dude it was a joke.

Also FYI Indiana Jones is being worked on by MachineGames, maybe with some chipping in from Bethesda Softworks, but BGS's next game after Starfield will be ESVI.

MasterSpatula

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

. What open world game has the land mass of high rock?

Well, let's see. There's the single largest in-game landmass in a CRPG ever made, which happens to be shaped exactly like High Rock (with Northern Hammerfell as well). You may even have heard of this game, some of which is set in a city called Daggerfall.

starkerealm

MasterSpatula wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

. What open world game has the land mass of high rock?

Well, let's see. There's the single largest in-game landmass in a CRPG ever made, which happens to be shaped exactly like High Rock (with Northern Hammerfell as well). You may even have heard of this game, some of which is set in a city called Daggerfall.

I was going to make this joke, but here's another... Watch Dogs 2. Yeah, it's not High Rock, but it is the San Fran bay area. Even though it is heavily distorted.

Thevampirenight

What I believe they are doing, is yeah holding out until the release of Elder Scrolls six or at the very least avoiding Hammerfell.
There is an npc that kinda really predicts stuff. Or at least locations or themes. That one stable master lady in Morrowind.
One of the other dialogue options she has is something about a Golden Guar, and then a blight.
Not saying if this is predicting everything about next year or if it is doing anything at all.

However what I think we will see is other parts of Main Land Morrowind, possibly even Black Light, and then the rest of Black Marsh. So I can see next year being a mixture as well. This gives them a way to avoid doing just Skyrim again, plus it allows them to avoid doing Hammerfell as long as they can. So yeah I do think that is what they are going to do, because of those reasons.

Aptonoth

MaisonNaevius wrote: »

I don't understand your clue. Reliable clues have always been the name of the provincial capital mentioned at the very end of a DLC's main story. There was never a mistake until Lyris and "Skingrad" (which hurts my morale terribly).

There will never be two years of swamps in a row.

Its because you didn't play the dungeon story dlc did you? The very first hint of the next province is in them at least the last two times. I'm guessing you didn't play them and listen to the dialogue close. In the Elswyr dungeon forget which one it referenced somewhere in Skyrim central or east IIRC. Then 2020 was Skyrim.

Last year again forget which one but an npc mentioned the Imperial library and I knew this year was going to be an imperial theme.

Now this time we got a reference to black marsh and nothing else at all. Evilyee says a line about all the berries in black marsh. Again I have to repeat its not telling us where in the province we are going or what the story is about just where we are going as in the province for next year. So as I said unless one of the long house emperors or the council in abnur tharns note has a strong tie to Hammerfell to be a hint but I doubt it.

So assuming the pattern holds 2022 will be BM, but even more hints will be given in the chapter itself more definitive ones. So we'll know very soon one way or the other but I told people about Imperials this year and they lol'ed told people about skyrim coming that year and they lol'ed. I'm just trying to deflate the hammer fell hype a bit if its not there. However your right typically the zenimax team doesn't like doing double years of the same terrain so that is a point against black marsh next year and its what is making me say its only 75% chance instead of 99% chance next year is BM.

Sylvermynx

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

I'm not arguing with your conclusion, because I agree (or hope, anyway) that TES6 will be set in Hammerfell. But why do you think that High Rock's shape precludes it from being the setting for an open-world sandbox RPG? It's not like we can't take a ship from Daggerfall to Wayrest if we want, or buy a cart ride to Wrothgar.

Heh. We already did that (the ship....) - sort of - at least those of us who've played every TES game from Arena forward did.

"Tomorrow you sail for the Kingdom of Daggerfall!"

Seriously though - ESO is kind of playing "catch up" - in ESO we're in an era where really nothing had been specifically set out as happening (which, y'know, is why ESO is "here" in this time/space continuum after all....) So those of us who've played all the single player games beginning with Arena (um....1994....) are sometimes shaking heads about things that others may have no issues with.

And that's fine. I can micromanage my head canon however I need to. And others can do the same in other directions.

[And as for a real major chapter set in Hammerfell.... *salivating* I AM a Redguard, I have always been a Redguard - and that's not going to change ever. I live and breathe Redguards.

Nope - I'm not anything but caucasian... but Redguards are my basic race in every TES game I've ever played.]

barney2525

Desert?

maybe we are going to Tatooine

Nomadic_Atmoran

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

I wish people stopped acting like there's something wrong with them cashing in on nostalgia. If they didn't care about the content they were producing you'd have a point. But they absolutely put a lot of effort in to add to the established lore even if they miss the mark. Even f they waited longer to visit these locales people would still complain they were milking nostalgia. So its pointless to wait when they can utilize it here and now to bring in more players and make more money.

Lugaldu

Aptonoth wrote: »

That was from last year it has to be a hint from this year or it doesn't count.

I believe that it was a false trail with Skingrad. And it worked fine.

Personally, I hope that we will see something completely new, outside of Tamriel. It doesn't have to be a complete chapter (since the provinces needs to be filled), but at least partially.

MaisonNaevius

Aptonoth wrote: »

Its because you didn't play the dungeon story dlc did you?

And you're right. I didn't have the opportunity to do the dungeon DLCs.

As for the references to the Black Marsh, is it not simply because we are going there this year?
I mean: Blackwood is an Imperial region but in reality Blackwood Province stretches from Cyrodiil to Black Marsh. You can tell we are going to Black Marsh this year.

If we eventually have a new mixed province, beyond the Hammerfell-Colovia mix, we might have a mixed between Morrowind and Black Marsh. Although the idea of having two similar environments two years in a row seems compromised to me.

PigofSteel

Im worried with performance... If you keep throwing trash in bin when its full it will just rebound.

Seraphayel

Skingrad can still be the next year‘s Chapter and Lyris was just a bit... early.

We don’t have much parts of Eastern Cyrodiil yet and maybe it would fit into a Hammerfall Chapter as well. Something just east of Cyrodiil and west of Hammerfall.

MaisonNaevius

I was surprised that many people were disappointed with Skingrad absence. There were only a handful of people speaking out on the topics of this city after Lyris' revelation.

After Blackwood, we have two imperial zones left. The Nibenay Valley with Bravil and Mir Corrup, as well as Colovia with Skingrad and Sutch (I'll add Sarchal although the chances of seeing it are minimal).
The area of Colovia is much too big for a chapter ... It would be necessary to cut the area of Sutch which would then be an area much too small for a Q4 DLC. Hence my idea in my first post.

Lugaldu

MaisonNaevius wrote: »

I was surprised that many people were disappointed with Skingrad absence. There were only a handful of people speaking out on the topics of this city after Lyris' revelation.

Skingrad would have made a good connection with another vampire story, even if it is of course unrealistic that this topic should continue after a whole year with vampires. But maybe we can come back to it in 2022 (or later) and explore the history of the Hassildor family.
Besides, if Lyris said she wanted to go to Skingrad, it would have been just as unrealistic that we should deal with her again after an entire year.

Darkstorne

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

No? Or when did this confirmation happen? Wasn’t there still debate if it’s either High Rock or Hammerfell (I prefer Hammerfell though, amazing region)?

https://old.reddit.com/r/ElderScrolls/comments/klh4th/tesvi_vs_taneth_hammerfell_skyrim_out_of_bounds/

In the elder scrolls 25th anniversary video, it showed them modeling a desert landscape. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWW9LVhyNs , 8:30)

There was supposed to be a redguard dlc in Skyrim, but Todd for some reason ditched that idea.

In this tweet,

https://twitter.com/ElderScrolls/status/1344674735901339648,

there's a third light in Hammerfell's location with a desert like background.

A highly respected mod in the teslore subreddit mentioned that someone in Bethesda told him it's hammerfell

ladynerevar is a mod in r/TesviHammerfell on reddit

High Rock's shape is too weird for it to be the setting of a open world sandbox RPG

All the references to hammerfell in Blades and Skyrim, while we literally know nothing about High Rock in the 4th era.

It's hammerfell, any other theories saying not hammerfell is pretty much borderline delusion at this point. Plus Bethesda hates bretons remember? Just see how poorly they are treated in this game, and you expect Bethesda to make a game about them?

It is highly likely for TES6 to be Hammerfell, but a lot of your statements are off. They already made a High Rock game (TES2) and the rumours about a Hammerfell DLC for Skyrim were pointed out as nonsense as soon as they first started hitting the rumour mill back in 2013. That was a trademark for TES6, not for Skyrim DLC. They always trademark game names as soon as they start pre-production, though since then the "Redguard" trademark has shifted to "Redfall". It's not that Todd ditched the idea, it's that some uninformed media outlets interpreted the trademark incorrectly.

As for whether ESO will cover Hammerfell... it's hard to say. I keep leaning towards thinking they won't cover it either, but equally there are good arguments to suggest they will - mostly that with people being hyped for Hammerfell now it's a guaranteed strong selling Chapter. But there are certainly so many potential Chapter settings that they can easily avoid Hammerfell until well after TES6 releases (Telvanni Isles, Whiterun, Argonia, Skingrad, Winterhold, Solstheim, and Central Elsweyr could all easily be Chapters themselves).

MaisonNaevius

Lugaldu wrote: »

Skingrad would have made a good connection with another vampire story, even if it is of course unrealistic that this topic should continue after a whole year with vampires. But maybe we can come back to it in 2022 (or later) and explore the history of the Hassildor family.
Besides, if Lyris said she wanted to go to Skingrad, it would have been just as unrealistic that we should deal with her again after an entire year.

There may be the Hassildor family. But like the Mede de Sutch, it might be a small family. Today it is Calantius who has power over the county. I am very disappointed because I would have liked to see this count that I consider a hero (until ZOS decides to say: he is bad).

Cadwell himself said he would be on Solitude. Have we seen him ? No.

Raegwyr

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

TES6 taking place in Hammerfell is pretty much confirmed at this point, which is why ESO isn't covering it.

Tes VI won't be here for another 3 years for sure so that's not the reason. Zos just tries to milk nostalgia, they did elsweyr with dragons, skyrim and now oblivion.
Don't think they can continue to do so, so if not the rest of skyrim, redguard lands sounds like a possibility

I wish people stopped acting like there's something wrong with them cashing in on nostalgia. If they didn't care about the content they were producing you'd have a point. But they absolutely put a lot of effort in to add to the established lore even if they miss the mark. Even f they waited longer to visit these locales people would still complain they were milking nostalgia. So its pointless to wait when they can utilize it here and now to bring in more players and make more money.

Using nostalgia to sell content for the chapter is fine by me. But repeating this move almost 4 times in a row (all chapters except summerset) is a bit too much, don't you think?

StarOfElyon

I would like the base game locations to get a face-lift and some new quests. Just renovate a little. Fix a lot of the issues with class balance as well.