Should CP 1.0 to CP 2.0 conversion should be done by exp instead of CPs ?

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

One character can do it all. You just have to not be lazy and switch your active CP abilities around. If you absolutely have to reset your CP for 3k that amount of gold is literally a pittance. You could steal it from chests in 3 minutes if you didn't have it. This is a fair trade for fewer computations server side leading to lag, attacks not registering, etc.

If you want everything then level up for it but realize even those that are super high CP still have to switch in and out CP abilities.

If the CP change went through the way you wanted it to (It won't as PTS is done now basically) then players like me would be running around 3000+ CP and you would scream that it's unfair as you would have to grind another few years to get that.

It's not the 3k gold. One takes seconds, the other many minutes.

Well then how often are you flipping your CP around? Seems way too often. Are you flipping between PVP and PVE builds because that’s the only reason I can really see switching all that CP around.

Consider that with the new system as you level up the costs and effort of slotting CP skills decreases and is made easier. Perhaps either focus on leveling or dedicated role play than trying to be everything all at once. Doing so is what led us to the current situation with the server taking hits for doing so many CP related calculations at once.

thanks for letting me know I am doing it all wrong and HAVE to play differently.

all my chars are healers or tanks. so it's main role/solo/pvp switcheroo.

and why do you keep bringing up server performance? has diddly squat to do with scaling cp up or not afai can see.

BalticBlues

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

Kwoung wrote: »

not a fan of having to constantly swap my passives around every time I change activities, something I do about 4-6 times a day currently. Want to harvest, change loadout, want to farm chests, change loadout, want to pick pockets, change loadout, want to hunt, change loadout, want to craft, change loadout... Bleh.

Exactly.

Inventory micromanagement already is the worst design part of ESO.
Especially on consoles where addons cannot alleviate the micromanagement.

What does ZOS now? Instead of nerfing the micromangement,
ZOS buffs micromangement to a new pain level with an new CP micromanagement.
Result: More micromanagement - Less gameplay

CP2.0 ESSENTIALLY MEANS MICROMANAGEMENT 2.0.
Spend your time in endless menues instead of the game world

ApoAlaia

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

Still hoping that they will do the right thing here by not writing off all the accrued XP from our accounts.

I guess we will find out on the 8th exactly how much contempt they hold us in.

spacefracking

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

After one week, the 1900 cp people who run progression trials, and think this change is fine, will be losing their minds when all of the hard content is impossible, and their prog groups disband. These changes are bordering on an intentional attack on the number of active users. Maybe the product people want to go work on a new ZOS project when this one is biting the revenue dust?

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

spacefracking wrote: »

After one week, the 1900 cp people who run progression trials, and think this change is fine, will be losing their minds when all of the hard content is impossible, and their prog groups disband. These changes are bordering on an intentional attack on the number of active users. Maybe the product people want to go work on a new ZOS project when this one is biting the revenue dust?

They could cut DPS by 40% and nothing in this game would be "impossible" (other than the time requirement for Godslayer in vSS HM and maybe the DPS needed for the eternal servant on Nahvii HM)

At worst, the changes to DPS for somebody right at CP810 is 10-15%, and for those at CP1500+ it's 5%.

Heaven forbid... you might actually have to do mechanics on some content

There's some cool mechanics in the game... some I've not seen personally in game (other than on streams, when I saw it and said to myself "that was pretty cool", too bad lots of us will just burn through it), such as the 2nd boss in Castle Thorn. I've always just burned them in the middle of the blood pool and never getting any other mechanic.

AlnilamE

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Let me say this: If they adjust the curve, they should go all the way back to when they first instituted Champion Points so that it is fair to everyone and nobody "loses XP" as you put it.

And that's not possible.

"Something bad has always been done that way", "We cant fully undo what was done this way" was, is and never will be a valid reason to do it again the same way.

The thing is, things change in the game all the time, some time by the devs and sometimes by the players.

Like when new content comes out, things from that content are expensive. Some people still want everything right away and pay whatever the price is. Should they get their gold back when the price inevitably drops later?

And again, please allow me the joy of taking less than 1 million freaking XP to earn a champion point? At least for a few months?

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

AlnilamE wrote: »

And again, please allow me the joy of taking less than 1 million freaking XP to earn a champion point? At least for a few months?

not at the price of a couple thousand hours of normal gametime for me. or shorter but most dreadful focused cp grind.... sorry

you want to earn fast cp again. create a new account..

trackdemon5512

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And again, please allow me the joy of taking less than 1 million freaking XP to earn a champion point? At least for a few months?

not at the price of a couple thousand hours of normal gametime for me. or shorter but most dreadful focused cp grind.... sorry

you want to earn fast cp again. create a new account..

What are you talking about? For players like @AlnilamE and myself it takes well over a million plus XP to gain a single CP point right now. This patch will change that and make us need far less XP to level a CP up to a point.

Regardless of who you are the new CP system and it’s adjustments are saving you significant leveling time compared to now. And there is no reason to grind CP. The best players simply have better rotations and knowledge of mechanics. Mastery of that beats high CP any day as shown in PVP.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And again, please allow me the joy of taking less than 1 million freaking XP to earn a champion point? At least for a few months?

not at the price of a couple thousand hours of normal gametime for me. or shorter but most dreadful focused cp grind.... sorry

you want to earn fast cp again. create a new account..

What are you talking about? For players like @AlnilamE and myself it takes well over a million plus XP to gain a single CP point right now. This patch will change that and make us need far less XP to level a CP up to a point.

Regardless of who you are the new CP system and it’s adjustments are saving you significant leveling time compared to now. And there is no reason to grind CP. The best players simply have better rotations and knowledge of mechanics. Mastery of that beats high CP any day as shown in PVP.

I am talking about him/her being against the cp slide up based on Xp because it would put him/her at a higher CP where he/she will need a lot more Xp per Cp again for the next dingding.... I guess some people are just really into the dingding....

And yes there is plenty of reason to want high Cp. It's called horizontal progression. You know one of the big new features and selling points of Cp 2.0.

And I really dig that. But not diggety enough about it for "I need to re-gain 2500 hours worth of Xp Zos just stole".

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

the pay is the cp. we dont get more cp. so its not even a payriase at all. xp is effort. so it's a raise in how much pay (cp) rises with good work and effort(xp) over time.

and yes. I'd be pissed at my company if they suddenly announce they will make pay rise 2-3x as fast to a much higher limit as hereto. And a guy who just starts will have the same pay in 2 years I slaved 5 years for...not cool to not give existing workers a big hike in pay right then and there. If not raise pay to a level where newbie will be in 5 years with the new curve. At least partially there.

it's thanks to the existing workers the company is doing that well and can afford this new pay raise with effort curve in the first place.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

Interesting... just listening to a fairly well known build creator... says we only need ~1000 to have "most" of our damage

trackdemon5512

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

the pay is the cp. we dont get more cp. so its not even a payriase at all. xp is effort. so it's a raise in how much pay (cp) rises with good work and effort(xp) over time.

and yes. I'd be pissed at my company if they suddenly announce they will make pay rise 2-3x as fast to a much higher limit as hereto. And a guy who just starts will have the same pay in 2 years I slaved 5 years for...not cool to not give existing workers a big hike in pay right then and there. If not raise pay to a level where newbie will be in 5 years with the new curve. At least partially there.

it's thanks to the existing workers the company is doing that well and can afford this new pay raise with effort curve in the first place.

But the new guy who has a faster pay raise track has 5 years without any income from that job. While he may now get your current pay levels within two years it isn’t like you as well aren’t benefiting from the curve adjustment for the next two years as well and getting increased pay.

And after a while you both approach the limit of pay for your particular position. I mean this is basically how every salaried job around the world works. Those that come after you always make more for the same amount of hours but there is a ceiling where it all becomes moot.

If things didn’t work this way you have a hard time recruiting new talent and in the case of ZOS recruiting new players to replace ones who quit/retire/die.

Your argument is ridiculous. A company would never pay you make-up wages to adjust for what you would have earned 5 years ago under current market prices for labor. Too many variables to account for the inflation and such over time.

How would ZOS adjust for Day 1 players? Players that started with the CP introduction? Players that started at each subsequent CP increase? Every time the XP to CP gain was adjusted toward the cap?

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

the pay is the cp. we dont get more cp. so its not even a payriase at all. xp is effort. so it's a raise in how much pay (cp) rises with good work and effort(xp) over time.

and yes. I'd be pissed at my company if they suddenly announce they will make pay rise 2-3x as fast to a much higher limit as hereto. And a guy who just starts will have the same pay in 2 years I slaved 5 years for...not cool to not give existing workers a big hike in pay right then and there. If not raise pay to a level where newbie will be in 5 years with the new curve. At least partially there.

it's thanks to the existing workers the company is doing that well and can afford this new pay raise with effort curve in the first place.

Your argument is ridiculous. A company would never pay you make-up wages to adjust for what you would have earned 5 years ago under current market prices for labor. Too many variables to account for the inflation and such over time.

never said anything about company paying me make-up wages.

only said I would expect company to at least raise my current paylevel (cp) to a level somewhere between what I have now (after 5 years for me and what will be 2 years for newguy) and what new guy will have in 5 years.

anyway... analogy of work wasnt mine to boot with but yalls. and obviously breaks down as I have never heard of any company suddenly raising paycap by 2.5x and accelerating raise of pay by 2-3x at the same time....

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

(how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time. combined with a 2x raise of the salary ceiling)

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

cognitive dissonance is holding two incompatible/contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time... not an insult. A common psychological term.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time I just wrote?

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

cognitive dissonance is holding two incompatible/contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time... not an insult. A common psychological term.

psychopath, soziopath are too. doesnt make them not insults if used by internet forum warriors.

or are you a certified psychologist?

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time I just wrote?

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

cognitive dissonance is holding two incompatible/contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time... not an insult. A common psychological term.

psychopath, soziopath are too. doesnt make them not insults if used by internet forum warriors.

or are you a certified psychologist?

I had required psychology classes for my master's degree that I have, but it is not in psychology.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

cognitive dissonance is holding two incompatible/contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time... not an insult. A common psychological term.

still waiting for your reply to my post about how you got it all wrong with the payrise analogy

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

(how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time. combined with a 2x raise of the salary ceiling)

You asked me to respond.

I already know exactly what my payscale is for future years, I'm on team that negotiates that salary through my union. My bosses/management comes to us and say, we're going to double the top salary... and your raises that average 3% per year are now going to be 6%.

I'd be happy as all hell. I'd be giddy beyond my wildest dreams if I knew that the "cap" of salary at my job was doubled, and that I was going to earn raises twice as fast for the remainder of my career.

I sure as heck am NOT going to go to them after this offer and say... HEY!!!! I should have earned all this extra money earlier in my career. Joe, who just started this year is going to be at my salary after 6 years, but it took me 12 years to get here... THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! I DEMAND MY BACK PAY!

Hell, they could say "we need you to take a 10% pay cut this year to implement this" I'd do it in a heartbeat!

trackdemon5512

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

the pay is the cp. we dont get more cp. so its not even a payriase at all. xp is effort. so it's a raise in how much pay (cp) rises with good work and effort(xp) over time.

and yes. I'd be pissed at my company if they suddenly announce they will make pay rise 2-3x as fast to a much higher limit as hereto. And a guy who just starts will have the same pay in 2 years I slaved 5 years for...not cool to not give existing workers a big hike in pay right then and there. If not raise pay to a level where newbie will be in 5 years with the new curve. At least partially there.

it's thanks to the existing workers the company is doing that well and can afford this new pay raise with effort curve in the first place.

Your argument is ridiculous. A company would never pay you make-up wages to adjust for what you would have earned 5 years ago under current market prices for labor. Too many variables to account for the inflation and such over time.

never said anything about company paying me make-up wages.

only said I would expect company to at least raise my current paylevel (cp) to a level somewhere between what I have now (after 5 years for me and what will be 2 years for newguy) and what new guy will have in 5 years.

anyway... analogy of work wasnt mine to boot with but yalls. and obviously breaks down as I have never heard of any company suddenly raising paycap by 2.5x and accelerating raise of pay by 2-3x at the same time....

You voted that CP should be converted proportionally to XP earned before. That's the same thing as paying make-up wages for the hours you put in prior to the adjustment being put in place.

And CP isn't a pay level, it's a fixed reward amount more akin to a good purchased. XP are your wages. Over time as you play more the purchasing power of XP to get CP decreases and as such it takes more and more XP to get a single CP. That's inflation. ZOS is simply correcting for that inflation and now you can get more CP for the same amount of XP going forward. Put another way you pay less XP to get a single CP.

Asking for CP conversion like you voted for is like asking for restitutions. Yet nothing has been taken from you. The CP you've gotten remains the same, not rolled back. The amount of XP you've earned means nothing because it varies from person to person, from time to time, from relative value to relative value. All that matters is the CP and like I said that hasn't been taken from you like in WOW Shadowlands.

And the amount of CP doesn't matter unless it's in relation to the values ZOS assigns in the CP trees. And we've seen those values change constantly from patch to patch. Crit resistances nerfed for the stars or DOT in Thamuturge decreased per point put in. At that point your issue really is how much of a stat bonus are you getting per star. And with that changing from patch to patch for each individual attribute then you should be asking ZOS to adjust those values which is far far easier to do than XP to CP restitution conversions.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

(how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time. combined with a 2x raise of the salary ceiling)

Joe, who just started this year is going to be at my salary after 6 years, but it took me 12 years to get here... THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! I DEMAND MY BACK PAY!

you need to learn to read.

first and more as a side note if it took me 12 years. it will take newguy less than 5 years.

second and most importantly. I never said anything about back pay. at all.

I was talking about forward pay not back pay. As in give a raise right now to the oldtimers that slaved there for 12 years under the old shite pay raise curve and ceiling. whose efforts made this new better curve possible.

not a single dime of back pay. just salary going forward making at least a partial jump. as a thank for years of effort at the company. having helped making it the success it is.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

the pay is the cp. we dont get more cp. so its not even a payriase at all. xp is effort. so it's a raise in how much pay (cp) rises with good work and effort(xp) over time.

and yes. I'd be pissed at my company if they suddenly announce they will make pay rise 2-3x as fast to a much higher limit as hereto. And a guy who just starts will have the same pay in 2 years I slaved 5 years for...not cool to not give existing workers a big hike in pay right then and there. If not raise pay to a level where newbie will be in 5 years with the new curve. At least partially there.

it's thanks to the existing workers the company is doing that well and can afford this new pay raise with effort curve in the first place.

Your argument is ridiculous. A company would never pay you make-up wages to adjust for what you would have earned 5 years ago under current market prices for labor. Too many variables to account for the inflation and such over time.

never said anything about company paying me make-up wages.

only said I would expect company to at least raise my current paylevel (cp) to a level somewhere between what I have now (after 5 years for me and what will be 2 years for newguy) and what new guy will have in 5 years.

anyway... analogy of work wasnt mine to boot with but yalls. and obviously breaks down as I have never heard of any company suddenly raising paycap by 2.5x and accelerating raise of pay by 2-3x at the same time....

You voted that CP should be converted proportionally to XP earned before. That's the same thing as paying make-up wages for the hours you put in prior to the adjustment being put in place.

And CP isn't a pay level, it's a fixed reward amount more akin to a good purchased. XP are your wages.

disagree.. xp is my effort/work i put in. cp points is my current pay level. and with it I can lease/rent/subscribe to the actual goods/services: the cp skills (faster internet, car, more tv channels, bigger house)

cp is not a tradeable currency. i cant sell car to third party (other player). i can only give goods/service back to the company. and i get cp back. they own everything i can get with cp.

tmbrinks

No, CP should stay the same even if the gap change (Because...)

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

(how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time. combined with a 2x raise of the salary ceiling)

Joe, who just started this year is going to be at my salary after 6 years, but it took me 12 years to get here... THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! I DEMAND MY BACK PAY!

you need to learn to read.

first and more as a side note if it took me 12 years. it will take newguy less than 5 years.

second and most importantly. I never said anything about back pay. at all.

I was talking about forward pay not back pay. As in give a raise right now to the oldtimers that slaved there for 12 years under the old shite pay raise curve and ceiling. whose efforts made this new better curve possible.

not a single dime of back pay. just salary going forward making at least a partial jump. as a thank for years of effort at the company. having helped making it the success it is.

who's the one insulting now?

your entire premise is asking for back pay. You want your previous time to count for more future income. (Or you at least want your "new" salary to be doubled as well)

So, you're asking for the new "cap", the larger salary increases, AND the "service" boost for all your previous years of service. Wow.

remosito

Yes, CP should be converted proportionally to the EXP earned before (Because...)

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Curiously, none of the "I got stolen from" will answer the question about whether they would demand back-pay when they get a raise at work... did their job "steal" from them then?

I think it's because they know there's a huge disconnect there and they'd have to admit they're being ridiculous

maybe equating xpcp gain rate in a game to payrise in a job is the ridiculous thing to us and not worth an answer?

how about if you sold some Aetherial Dust in game for 80k 2 years ago, and they're now 300k+ do you demand the buyer pay you the difference?

bad analogy is bad

How's it a bad analogy? I'd love for an explanation. It'd be nice to know how you keep the cognitive dissonance in check.

can you stop it with the insults?

and before I write anything about another comparison of yours with sth that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. how about you write sth back about my post about job and payrise I just wrote?

(how cp1. 0 to cp2. 0 isnt a payrise at all. but a raise in how fast pay rises with effort/work over time. combined with a 2x raise of the salary ceiling)

Joe, who just started this year is going to be at my salary after 6 years, but it took me 12 years to get here... THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! I DEMAND MY BACK PAY!

you need to learn to read.

first and more as a side note if it took me 12 years. it will take newguy less than 5 years.

second and most importantly. I never said anything about back pay. at all.

I was talking about forward pay not back pay. As in give a raise right now to the oldtimers that slaved there for 12 years under the old shite pay raise curve and ceiling. whose efforts made this new better curve possible.

not a single dime of back pay. just salary going forward making at least a partial jump. as a thank for years of effort at the company. having helped making it the success it is.

who's the one insulting now?

your entire premise is asking for back pay. You want your previous time to count for more future income. (Or you at least want your "new" salary to be doubled as well)

a higher salary and back pay are two different things.

and yes I feel a higher salary after 12 years of crappy curve and low ceiling is waranted. especially considering the company who is the only provider of things I can actually get with my pay (the actual cp skills) in their own non tradeable currency (cp piints) . added a lot more stuff to get and made everything more expensive.

and i never said i want salary doubled. I said somewhere further up.

have made multiple posts how a partial 50/50 uplift would be good enough for me. or a booster along the curve (proposed to give vet players all or part of the xp difference as enlightenment)

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