Just tried TES IV Oblivion for first time...

Syldras

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

You should play TES III next. The graphics are heinous even when it's modded within an inch of its life, and the combat system is basically nonexistent, but it's the best game in the series by far, at least IMO

In my opinion, the lore and immersion make up for it. Then again, it's an individual question what someone demands from an rpg game. I guess people who don't care much for lore but want mostly action, fast fighting and modern graphics won't get much from TES3, although it was groundbreaking back then. Actually all bigger TES games were at their time.

The first TES game I played on my own was Morrowind.(*) Enjoyed it greatly. Oblivion was wonderful too, back in 2006. Skyrim - well, it was nice, but lacked a bit in complexicity. And ESO - I see it as something entirely different that you can't really compare to the single player TES games. Although I do like it for the storytelling and lore.

(*)I can remember quite well watching my father play Arena and Daggerfall when I was a small child. Great memories... except for the ugly truth that... he was no Dunmer. Right, people, I'm only half-Dunmer - my father was a... a human.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

The only one I dislike. TES 3 is my favourite.

worrallj

I like how in oblivion you had to bring the sword of truth to morodor before the borg assimilate earth.

jlmurra2

LadyDestiny wrote: »

slipciok wrote: »

Seriously... is superior game if you compare to ESO. Even character animations are better. Whats the point of ESO? Just Game Store and LootBoxes? I don't understand why ESO exist.

I enjoy both games a lot, but I love oblivion and skyrim because it's a solo rpg when you are tired of other people. Oblivion was my favorite. Would love a remaster for console.

Not sure about remasters, but there are the Skybilvion(Obilvion remake), and Skywind(Morrowind remake) projects. I think both are looking great, and are very ambitious. Hopefully they will be released someday....

SeaGtGruff

worrallj wrote: »

I like how in oblivion you had to bring the sword of truth to morodor before the borg assimilate earth.

Um, it's "more door," not "more odor."

I love Oblivion; it holds a special place in my heart because it was my very first Elder Scrolls game.

But ESO is definitely my favorite Elder Scrolls game. I think it's the best game in the franchise as far as how much there is to do. Also, it feels so much more alive than the single-player titles.

If you've ever logged in on the PTS when no one else is on, it feels like a single-player game-- just a bunch of NPCs walking around. It doesn't feel "dead," exactly; but it definitely feels a lot less "lively."

Supreme_Atromancer

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Original ESO beta was longer ago than you might imagine...

This game is completely unbalanced and the performance is trash! Player one is a noob scrub and player two is obviously using some Russian hacks, and is clearly tbagging. Why the devs hate us so much this is like a huge slap in the face to their number one fans!

Supreme_Atromancer

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

ummm AAACKSHULLY

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
10. The Elder Scrolls: Blades
11. The Elder Scrolls Online

Besides the point that the poster was being facetious.

zaria

I love Oblivion probably rank it an inch above Skyrim, Skyrim was much more imersive but Oblivion let you do weird stuff.
All caracters in Skyrim ended up as an sneaky archer with dagger back stab working like blade of woe on dragons
In oblivion, make an illusionist wearing only clothing. Making goblin warlords permanently hostile to the goblin faction is popcorn time. Still had decent dps as in dropping the reconstructed gatekeeper in shivering isles fast.
But it was a bit sad then I could not take Sherogorat out of the shivering isles using command creature.

Morrowind very good but kind of played it to death. Then you pick up the mushrooms for the first mage guild quest by instinct in the starting city and don't remember doing it.
Oblivion was kind of modded to death, summited an bug ticket because plant did not look harvested after harvesting them.
Yes it was an mod feature, other stuff like lower class pants was replaced by skirts for some reason was just funny.
That your statue in Bruma kept assaulting you was weirder.

Supreme_Atromancer

In my view, there is not that much in the game engine or the MMO format that means ESO couldn't be immersive. If the single player titles were more immersive, its because the developers weren't really able to achieve the "bringing together the OG Elder Scrolls fans with the traditional MMO crowd". The studio were brought in completely fresh (except Rich), not really understanding the franchise, and the lore was directed by people who had never been associated with the single player games at all. I think both Leamon and Lawrence did the best they could, but it feels like they were essentially brought in to force the status quo game design to somehow make sense in the context of the lore, and to explain away, in forced fashion, all the mistakes and liberties.

More impactful still, too much immersion had to take a back seat to game balance, mechanics and need for grind. The MMO crowd dominated all forums early on with their demands to make it more and more like a traditional MMO, even though the developers said it wasn't intended to be one.

Now we have a class system which ignores almost all cues from the single player titles, and development which abstracts any sense of immersion in order to make the balance and build people satisfied. With a lot of stuff, they're not even really trying any more. Instead of barbarians, warriors and mages, we have wardens who combine the power of ice with the ability to shoot you with pterodactyls (because MORROWIND!!!11) while a jellyfish bobbles happily behind you pissing blue whatever at the back of your head. That was the solution to demands for magicka tanks, druid rangers, and ice mages. Want to make a firemage? Don't even bother with sorcerer, you're going the melee-based dragonknight class, and will use melee-ranged, themed skills, and fireball isn't even a thing. What about a brawny, melee warrior-themed class? best you can do is pick the sneaky nightblade class and do your best to ignore most of your class toolbox.

The new constellation/champion point stuff makes literally no sense in the context of the Elder Scrolls lore, they just tacked it on like I Can't Believe its Not Elder Scrolls! There seems to be little driving force for anything authentic, because the immensely successful microtransaction model carries them ("we're killing it!"). Now they can just make whatever Saint Bernards or Panda Bears and wack some random lore name on it like Mount Anthor, or Druadach Mountains and it'll sell like hotcakes.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

ummm AAACKSHULLY

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
10. The Elder Scrolls: Blades
11. The Elder Scrolls Online

Besides the point that the poster was being facetious.

Good point! But actually Legends and Blades came after ESO release.
Just saying..
Huzzah!

Supreme_Atromancer

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

ummm AAACKSHULLY

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
10. The Elder Scrolls: Blades
11. The Elder Scrolls Online

Besides the point that the poster was being facetious.

Good point! But actually Legends and Blades came after ESO release.
Just saying..
Huzzah!

You're lore-fu is stronger than mine. I bow my head in dishonour!

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

ummm AAACKSHULLY

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
10. The Elder Scrolls: Blades
11. The Elder Scrolls Online

Besides the point that the poster was being facetious.

Good point! But actually Legends and Blades came after ESO release.
Just saying..
Huzzah!

You're lore-fu is stronger than mine. I bow my head in dishonour!

Your lore is strong young patawan..
Huzzah!

SeaGtGruff

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

ummm AAACKSHULLY

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
10. The Elder Scrolls: Blades
11. The Elder Scrolls Online

Besides the point that the poster was being facetious.

Good point! But actually Legends and Blades came after ESO release.
Just saying..
Huzzah!

Yes, I was going to say that, but you beat me to it.

As I understand it, work on ESO actually began before Skyrim, although Skyrim was released first. I don't know whether that's correct, and I realize they were released by two different game studios (although Zenimax owns Bethesda)-- but if it's correct, it helps to explain why ESO's graphical look seems to have much more in common (at least to my eyes) with Oblivion than with Skyrim.

tsaescishoeshiner

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

Haha. It would be awesome if there were that many ESOs. I think it's a joke though because I found this list online:

1. The Elder Scrolls Online
2. The Elder Scrolls Online IV: Oblivion

Not sure about the others.

Source: UESP

JD2013

Oblivion? Hmm. Don't recall it.

However maybe you're thinking of the Gates of Oblivion which is this year's year long story? Yeah you must be thinking of that, surely.

Sylvermynx

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

As I understand it, work on ESO actually began before Skyrim, although Skyrim was released first. I don't know whether that's correct, and I realize they were released by two different game studios (although Zenimax owns Bethesda)-- but if it's correct, it helps to explain why ESO's graphical look seems to have much more in common (at least to my eyes) with Oblivion than with Skyrim.

At least ESO doesn't have "potato faces".... Whenever I think about playing TES IV again I have to stop to think about all the mods I'm going to have to use, and getting the load order right....

AcadianPaladin

Oblivion was a very good game. So was Skyrim. So is ESO. To me, the main advantage of ESO is the sheer mass and scale. With 4000 hours in Oblivion, I simply outgrew its small size and moved on to Skyrim. With another 4000 hours in Skyrim, I similarly outgrew it. At +9000 hours in ESO, I am nowhere near 'outgrowing' it. That ESO is multiplayer is a drawback I live with - and am thankful that it is pretty single player friendly.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Actually:

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls Online

ummm AAACKSHULLY

1. The Elder Scrolls: Arena
2. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
3. An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
4. The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
5. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
6. The Elder Scrolls Travels (Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey)
7. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
8. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
10. The Elder Scrolls: Blades
11. The Elder Scrolls Online

Besides the point that the poster was being facetious.

Good point! But actually Legends and Blades came after ESO release.
Just saying..
Huzzah!

Yes, I was going to say that, but you beat me to it.

As I understand it, work on ESO actually began before Skyrim, although Skyrim was released first. I don't know whether that's correct, and I realize they were released by two different game studios (although Zenimax owns Bethesda)-- but if it's correct, it helps to explain why ESO's graphical look seems to have much more in common (at least to my eyes) with Oblivion than with Skyrim.

Correct. The development of ESO started before Skyrim. So from a release date view it came after Skyrim (ESO is a massive mmo, it takes time to make), but making? Then ESO started first.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

I find it hilarious when people say some game is looking or is better in some other way, and the reason for it is a whole load of mods.

I love Oblivion but it has a lot of flaws and the animation is awful! It is an older game though so it makes sense. There are so many memes done because of the potato faces and the character creator.

Goregrinder

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is that one of the singleplayer spin-offs? I personally prefer ESO because it's the original Elder Scrolls game

Yeah it was the Kmart version of ESO made for users still on AOL and Mobile.

Pencisl2

slipciok wrote: »

Parcellus wrote: »

I tried to install my original Oblivion copy under Windows 10 and repeatedly got a "catastrophic error" message. I just wanted to remind myself of the locations. However, did find the original map in the packaging, which is great

I'm using GOG version + many mods. I suggest install this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/44676

Why do all those faces look like they came from deviant art?

ThorianB

slipciok wrote: »

Seriously... is superior game if you compare to ESO. Even character animations are better. Whats the point of ESO? Just Game Store and LootBoxes? I don't understand why ESO exist.

If you compare Cyro to Cyro, i could see this because our version of Cyro is not near as a good, imo. But outside of Cyro is a whole different story. Animations make me wonder what kind of graphics card are you running.

Parcellus wrote: »

I tried to install my original Oblivion copy under Windows 10 and repeatedly got a "catastrophic error" message. I just wanted to remind myself of the locations. However, did find the original map in the packaging, which is great

The version sold through Steam works fine with windows 10 without needing any modifications

Snowstrider

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Single Player TES games are just provincial Side-Stories

- Smaller Map (Not counting TES:II but that was randomly generated, every other TES game has had a smaller map then ESO)

- Less Quests (ESO has thousands of quests more then any single player game in the series)

- Less NPCs (ESO at launch had 10x as many named NPCs then Skyrim did and since then the game has become significantly larger)

- Less Significant Events (Turns out many of the main-questline events of the single-player game had already happened before and to put salt on the wound, the Vestige will likely be directly involved with the defeat of Mehrunes Dagon unlike the Champion of Cyrodiil, it was Martin Septim who defeated Mehrunes Dagon not them.)

- Less Impressive Antagonist (At this point the Vestige makes the others look rather disappointing, who cares about the power of the voice when we are members of the Psijic Order and pull of far more impressive feats with their teachings, who cares about having a Dragon Soul when having no soul led us to become Immortal, who cares about being Thane when the Vestige can become a Count or Emperor.

- Less Support (Remember how Skyrim got the last of it's DLC when it was barley a year old)

Smaller map? Yet the overall world in singleplayer TES games feels more detailed and bigger while the world in eso feels very "gamelike" mechanic, on the rails themeparky and downscaled.

Less quests? More quests does not mean better since alot of quests are just copy and paste all over again.

Snowstrider

Sylvermynx wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

As I understand it, work on ESO actually began before Skyrim, although Skyrim was released first. I don't know whether that's correct, and I realize they were released by two different game studios (although Zenimax owns Bethesda)-- but if it's correct, it helps to explain why ESO's graphical look seems to have much more in common (at least to my eyes) with Oblivion than with Skyrim.

At least ESO doesn't have "potato faces".... Whenever I think about playing TES IV again I have to stop to think about all the mods I'm going to have to use, and getting the load order right....

You are right! Instead of potato faces ESO got fortnite faces

Sylvermynx

Snowstrider wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

As I understand it, work on ESO actually began before Skyrim, although Skyrim was released first. I don't know whether that's correct, and I realize they were released by two different game studios (although Zenimax owns Bethesda)-- but if it's correct, it helps to explain why ESO's graphical look seems to have much more in common (at least to my eyes) with Oblivion than with Skyrim.

At least ESO doesn't have "potato faces".... Whenever I think about playing TES IV again I have to stop to think about all the mods I'm going to have to use, and getting the load order right....

You are right! Instead of potato faces ESO got fortnite faces

I.... have no idea what you mean.

katanagirl1

In Oblivion, the Ayleid ruins were so huge, I was disappointed when I played ESO in that they were much smaller.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Snowstrider wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Single Player TES games are just provincial Side-Stories

- Smaller Map (Not counting TES:II but that was randomly generated, every other TES game has had a smaller map then ESO)

- Less Quests (ESO has thousands of quests more then any single player game in the series)

- Less NPCs (ESO at launch had 10x as many named NPCs then Skyrim did and since then the game has become significantly larger)

- Less Significant Events (Turns out many of the main-questline events of the single-player game had already happened before and to put salt on the wound, the Vestige will likely be directly involved with the defeat of Mehrunes Dagon unlike the Champion of Cyrodiil, it was Martin Septim who defeated Mehrunes Dagon not them.)

- Less Impressive Antagonist (At this point the Vestige makes the others look rather disappointing, who cares about the power of the voice when we are members of the Psijic Order and pull of far more impressive feats with their teachings, who cares about having a Dragon Soul when having no soul led us to become Immortal, who cares about being Thane when the Vestige can become a Count or Emperor.

- Less Support (Remember how Skyrim got the last of it's DLC when it was barley a year old)

Smaller map? Yet the overall world in singleplayer TES games feels more detailed and bigger while the world in eso feels very "gamelike" mechanic, on the rails themeparky and downscaled.

Less quests? More quests does not mean better since alot of quests are just copy and paste all over again.

No ESO has a much larger map.

Athan1

katanagirl1 wrote: »

In Oblivion, the Ayleid ruins were so huge, I was disappointed when I played ESO in that they were much smaller.

Delve size is just about right. I'd be bored to death if they were any longer.

SeaGtGruff

Everything in the single-player games is bigger than in ESO. Have you ever been to Vvardenfell in TES4:Morrowind? There's no comparison when it comes to size. I'm not complaining, mind you, because ESO is still massive despite its smaller scale.

Iccotak

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Single Player TES games are just provincial Side-Stories

- Smaller Map (Not counting TES:II but that was randomly generated, every other TES game has had a smaller map then ESO)

- Less Quests (ESO has thousands of quests more then any single player game in the series)

- Less NPCs (ESO at launch had 10x as many named NPCs then Skyrim did and since then the game has become significantly larger)

- Less Significant Events (Turns out many of the main-questline events of the single-player game had already happened before and to put salt on the wound, the Vestige will likely be directly involved with the defeat of Mehrunes Dagon unlike the Champion of Cyrodiil, it was Martin Septim who defeated Mehrunes Dagon not them.)

- Less Impressive Antagonist (At this point the Vestige makes the others look rather disappointing, who cares about the power of the voice when we are members of the Psijic Order and pull of far more impressive feats with their teachings, who cares about having a Dragon Soul when having no soul led us to become Immortal, who cares about being Thane when the Vestige can become a Count or Emperor.

- Less Support (Remember how Skyrim got the last of it's DLC when it was barley a year old)

Yeah the fact that they decided to stop making DLCs at that point was a mistake.

Especially when considering how well Skyrim is doing today