Snipe should have ramping cost

RandomKodiak

Taken 2 days ago so not the new that will be on PTS

Jodynn

Anytime someone is sniping at me in PvP I laugh because I know I'm going to kill them the moment I'm in range.

goldenarcher1

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There are some adjustments for Snipe in Update 29 (and going onto PTS today). Would love to hear everyone's feedback on this after you have a chance to try it out.

Jodynn

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There are some adjustments for Snipe in Update 29 (and going onto PTS today). Would love to hear everyone's feedback on this after you have a chance to try it out.

I'm glad someone else likes cats

Ratzkifal

Hopefully it makes Snipe as a spammable in PvE better. Bow Bow builds being viable would be fantastic!

RandomKodiak

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Hopefully it makes Snipe as a spammable in PvE better. Bow Bow builds being viable would be fantastic!

They are now, not "Meta" but I can pull a 91k parse in normal Reli and Tzogvins on 21 mil dummy, Stamsorc Bosmer

Tommy_The_Gun

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There are some adjustments for Snipe in Update 29 (and going onto PTS today). Would love to hear everyone's feedback on this after you have a chance to try it out.

Now I am scared...
Because it means that it will be either useless or overpowered...

RandomKodiak

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There are some adjustments for Snipe in Update 29 (and going onto PTS today). Would love to hear everyone's feedback on this after you have a chance to try it out.

Now I am scared...
Because it means that it will be either useless or overpowered...

Yep that is also what I fear Tommy

d3adpain

i hope they nuke the **** out of this [snip] skill

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RandomKodiak

d3adpain wrote: »

i hope they nuke the **** out of this [snip] skill

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And replace it with what for those of us who play bow/bow in PvE? Or just to hell with those of us that don't gank people in PvP because we don't do Cyro or BG's?

Tommy_The_Gun

d3adpain wrote: »

i hope they nuke the **** out of this [snip] skill

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Skill itself is not [snip]. De-syncs are.

In fact, I would even call it a valid play style. I mean if you have a bomber that can ambush & kill 5+ people on resources in a split second and with no time for them to react, and it is somehow fine, then by any means sniping one player should not be consider [snip].

Like I have said - main issue with snipe is that it is a cast time ability with long travel time - and it makes it prone to causing health de-syncs...

techyeshic

Hopefully another crutch killed and yet hopefully something more useful than just braindead plunking targets already occupied hoping for a desync.

theextendedname

The major issue with snipe in PvP is at max distance the sniper is able to cast 3 to 5 snipes before the first lands. Often allowing the attacker to go back into stealth before the second arrow lands. This is kind of troll game play. I would also point out fighting a boss in PvE in this manner will result in a boss health and fight reset.

Snipe could be fixed by simply disallowing it to be cast again until the first arrow hits/misses. An increase in arrow speed may be needed to make the skill not feel wonky. No other skill allows a second instance to be cast unless the first hit /missed or it replaces the first cast. Snipe should not be a special case.

TequilaFire

Can't wait for all the snipe haters proc sets to be disabled. lmao

RandomKodiak

Yep they just killed bow/bow for PvE! Just looking at the numbers between a 7-10k loss in damage. Grats to all the whiney PvPers for ruining the game for people who purposely avoided you for years.

Shepoffire

21%is a bit steep

Annurang

RandomKodiak wrote: »

Yep they just killed bow/bow for PvE! Just looking at the numbers between a 7-10k loss in damage. Grats to all the whiney PvPers for ruining the game for people who purposely avoided you for years.

If that's the case for the best build I have in mind too, that I thought might actually compete with "the normal 90k+ good ranged DDs" I should seriously start looking at other MMOs that might support bow playstyle with balance in mind..."Hear that ZoS? 17.52M -1 !!! :P "

Pallio

More creative ways to nerf whatever hurts you in pvp is always good. PvE bow/bow is dead, but someone will still die in PVP and come here to whine about how the gimpy snipe is too strong still....

Sahidom

Load Miat's addon and dodge roll... Simple and it'll frustrate the heck out of those Snipers.

SshadowSscale

Bro it already got nerfed and you are already asking for more nerfs?.... yikes.... and if snipe gets a ramping cost so should dizzy..... desyncs quite a bit too and next thing you see us 3 dizzys on death recap alongside a dawnbreaker wich all came out of nowhere..... but ofcourse dizzy spam = skill lol

Ringod123

theextendedname wrote: »

The major issue with snipe in PvP is at max distance the sniper is able to cast 3 to 5 snipes before the first lands. Often allowing the attacker to go back into stealth before the second arrow lands. This is kind of troll game play. I would also point out fighting a boss in PvE in this manner will result in a boss health and fight reset.

Snipe could be fixed by simply disallowing it to be cast again until the first arrow hits/misses. An increase in arrow speed may be needed to make the skill not feel wonky. No other skill allows a second instance to be cast unless the first hit /missed or it replaces the first cast. Snipe should not be a special case.

So, nerf the bows abilities further, even though as a bow/bow user in PvP myself I can tell you how bad bow abilities are at firing off properly in the first place (such as snipe leaving me with my arms in the air mid-anim for 3-5 seconds, allowing players to simply walk out of range).

Snipe has already had it's damage lowered by 20% and its cast time lowered by 20% to reduce its burst damage, on the weakest weapon in the game, and people want it nerfed more? I swear people won't be happy until the Bow is replaced with a feather duster, while 2H weapons stun lock players left and right, have a ridiculous 12M range and have more damage.

The problem you are encountering is shoddy netcode and poor server performance. We know players can only cast 1 ability per second, yet the netcode allows clumps of up to 4-5 GCD's to hit players all at once, works with 2H weapons etc as well, so do we nerf everything until it does no damage because of the poor coding on ZOS's end?

Pallio

Nerf to anything bad that happens, sorry you died in pvp. Maybe the next patch will help.

SshadowSscale

Ringod123 wrote: »

theextendedname wrote: »

The major issue with snipe in PvP is at max distance the sniper is able to cast 3 to 5 snipes before the first lands. Often allowing the attacker to go back into stealth before the second arrow lands. This is kind of troll game play. I would also point out fighting a boss in PvE in this manner will result in a boss health and fight reset.

Snipe could be fixed by simply disallowing it to be cast again until the first arrow hits/misses. An increase in arrow speed may be needed to make the skill not feel wonky. No other skill allows a second instance to be cast unless the first hit /missed or it replaces the first cast. Snipe should not be a special case.

So, nerf the bows abilities further, even though as a bow/bow user in PvP myself I can tell you how bad bow abilities are at firing off properly in the first place (such as snipe leaving me with my arms in the air mid-anim for 3-5 seconds, allowing players to simply walk out of range).

Snipe has already had it's damage lowered by 20% and its cast time lowered by 20% to reduce its burst damage, on the weakest weapon in the game, and people want it nerfed more? I swear people won't be happy until the Bow is replaced with a feather duster, while 2H weapons stun lock players left and right, have a ridiculous 12M range and have more damage.

The problem you are encountering is shoddy netcode and poor server performance. We know players can only cast 1 ability per second, yet the netcode allows clumps of up to 4-5 GCD's to hit players all at once, works with 2H weapons etc as well, so do we nerf everything until it does no damage because of the poor coding on ZOS's end?

They want anything that is not 2h dizzy spam to get nerfed into the ground so that only 2h dizzy is available to all

Pallio

PvP won't be right until we are swinging pool noodles at each other. At which point PvE will be long dead.

ApoAlaia

Hmm, wait a sec... I have just picked up on this.

What have they done to snipe? I don't PvP but I use that skill profusely on two characters on PvE every day.

SshadowSscale

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Hmm, wait a sec... I have just picked up on this.

What have they done to snipe? I don't PvP but I use that skill profusely on two characters on PvE every day.

damage nerfed by 21 precent and cast time reduced to 0.8 seconds.... also the cost was slightly reduced....... still a 21 precent damage nerf is still quite big..... but people are already asking for more nerfs lol

Scardan

SshadowSscale wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Hmm, wait a sec... I have just picked up on this.

What have they done to snipe? I don't PvP but I use that skill profusely on two characters on PvE every day.

damage nerfed by 21 precent and cast time reduced to 0.8 seconds.... also the cost was slightly reduced....... still a 21 precent damage nerf is still quite big..... but people are already asking for more nerfs lol

0.8 second cast time is a buff.
Snipe got buffed for DPS, nerfed for damage on hit imho.

Pink_Pixie

A pretty big shame for it to be nerfed so badly, as bow really needed a buff of sorts to make it comparable to other weapons. Adding on top the fact Connect a Dot (CP) 2.0 adds another nerf the -21% damage wasn't really needed. I guess Pvp is now just going to be full of players with dizzying swing...oh wait.....

ApoAlaia

SshadowSscale wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Hmm, wait a sec... I have just picked up on this.

What have they done to snipe? I don't PvP but I use that skill profusely on two characters on PvE every day.

damage nerfed by 21 precent and cast time reduced to 0.8 seconds.... also the cost was slightly reduced....... still a 21 precent damage nerf is still quite big..... but people are already asking for more nerfs lol

Oh... I thought this was a rather niche skill that hardly anyone used, I guess I was wrong and it did need looking into. I never felt it was OP or anything; bow/bow is just convenient (in PvE).

I mostly use it (snipe) against 'big' (mini-bosses, wb etc) targets so who knows, if they have reduced the cast time thus leaving the overall DPS similar it might still be serviceable, I'll have to try and see.

SshadowSscale

ApoAlaia wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Hmm, wait a sec... I have just picked up on this.

What have they done to snipe? I don't PvP but I use that skill profusely on two characters on PvE every day.

damage nerfed by 21 precent and cast time reduced to 0.8 seconds.... also the cost was slightly reduced....... still a 21 precent damage nerf is still quite big..... but people are already asking for more nerfs lol

Oh... I thought this was a rather niche skill that hardly anyone used, I guess I was wrong and it did need looking into. I never felt it was OP or anything; bow/bow is just convenient (in PvE).

I mostly use it (snipe) against 'big' (mini-bosses, wb etc) targets so who knows, if they have reduced the cast time thus leaving the overall DPS similar it might still be serviceable, I'll have to try and see.

It desyncs sometimes wich us one of the reasons people wanted it nerfed.... funny thing is dizzy desyncs sometimes too but don't you dare call for a dizzy nerf because the dizzy spammers want only one play style to be available aka dizzy swing.... if you do anything else you are either a noob or a coward...... or both.... so yeah