Snipe should have ramping cost

Tendoshii

Just like streak.

Bergzorn

ZOS can make it a falling ramp for all I care, if they just fix the freaking desyncs.

Husan

Unpopular opinion: if there are no major changes coming to core mechanics in ESO (*cough*cooldowns*cough*) all skills should have ramping costs.

Bergzorn

Husan wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: if there are no major changes coming to core mechanics in ESO (*cough*cooldowns*cough*) all skills should have ramping costs.

Yeah, right. We need more encouragement for people to put on multiple damage proc sets and run around using only light attacks.

jesse318sub17_ESO

If you did give Snipe ramping costs when you spam it, then it would probably be fair to give the morphed debuffs (minor defile/minor breach) a longer duration. It'd be less spammy, and more like poison.

Sanctum74

I’d rather they just fix the desyncs that happens with all skills including seige rather than single out 1 skill just cause it killed you.

MentalxHammer

Snipe needs to have the animation reworked to fly faster and not in a giant arc. The travel time is the main reason this skill desynchs through the server.

JinMori

Bergzorn wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: if there are no major changes coming to core mechanics in ESO (*cough*cooldowns*cough*) all skills should have ramping costs.

Yeah, right. We need more encouragement for people to put on multiple damage proc sets and run around using only light attacks.

Careful there, i almost thought that wasn't sacrcasm.

Jesus, ramping costs on every skill would be such a bad idea.

jesse318sub17_ESO

JinMori wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: if there are no major changes coming to core mechanics in ESO (*cough*cooldowns*cough*) all skills should have ramping costs.

Yeah, right. We need more encouragement for people to put on multiple damage proc sets and run around using only light attacks.

Careful there, i almost thought that wasn't sacrcasm.

Jesus, ramping costs on every skill would be such a bad idea.

Yeah, I think the bows ranged advantage in PvP makes it a difficult case. The range bows have is pretty exploitable. Focused Aim being a morph that makes Snipe actually cost less sounds pretty counterintuitive to the idea of making Snipe a balanced spammable, since it also increases the range of your attacks against the affected enemy.

JinMori

jesse318sub17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: if there are no major changes coming to core mechanics in ESO (*cough*cooldowns*cough*) all skills should have ramping costs.

Yeah, right. We need more encouragement for people to put on multiple damage proc sets and run around using only light attacks.

Careful there, i almost thought that wasn't sacrcasm.

Jesus, ramping costs on every skill would be such a bad idea.

Yeah, I think the bows ranged advantage in PvP makes it a difficult case. The range bows have is pretty exploitable. Focused Aim being a morph that makes Snipe actually cost less sounds pretty counterintuitive to the idea of making Snipe a balanced spammable, since it also increases the range of your attacks against the affected enemy.

Yea, but one thing is higher cost and that's it, another is ramping cost, that would kill the skill.

Matchimus

Snipe deserves its own forum page.

gatekeeper13

"I get killed by snipe, so nerf snipe".

Meanwhile, people can keep spamming any other op skill with no ramping cost.

Anotherone773

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

"I get killed by snipe, so nerf snipe".

Meanwhile, people can keep spamming any other op skill with no ramping cost.

This is true. Snipe is really easy to dodge as well. Players dodge it all the time when i pvp with my bow bow stamblade. They look like sonic the hedgehog. I only spam it in BGs if i can do so from a perch. Otherwise there are better abilities to use.

relentless_turnip

Anotherone773 wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

"I get killed by snipe, so nerf snipe".

Meanwhile, people can keep spamming any other op skill with no ramping cost.

This is true. Snipe is really easy to dodge as well. Players dodge it all the time when i pvp with my bow bow stamblade. They look like sonic the hedgehog. I only spam it in BGs if i can do so from a perch. Otherwise there are better abilities to use.

It's the desync, often you don't know you have been by one until 2-3 land. So the counter isn't there ATM. They can keep it exactly the same but fix the desync👍

Anotherone773

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

"I get killed by snipe, so nerf snipe".

Meanwhile, people can keep spamming any other op skill with no ramping cost.

This is true. Snipe is really easy to dodge as well. Players dodge it all the time when i pvp with my bow bow stamblade. They look like sonic the hedgehog. I only spam it in BGs if i can do so from a perch. Otherwise there are better abilities to use.

It's the desync, often you don't know you have been by one until 2-3 land. So the counter isn't there ATM. They can keep it exactly the same but fix the desync👍

As i mentioned i play a bow/bow NB and i use snipe a lot. Players dodge it all the time. I typically have to wait until they are fully distracted by multiple other players to use it.

There is some lag/desync in both PVP and PVE( seems to be mostly group instances) occurring right now for everyone.I play a lot of BGs and most of the time players don't have issues dodging it there. In Cyro it will be the standard desync that people have been complaining about for...ever. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

Barbaran

Only takes 2-4 snipes to kill depending on both builds involved.

From stealth, not using stam for anything else. Doesn't matter.
Snipe snipe, potion, snipe snipe

Tendoshii

There is no counter with the lag and desyncs. The impact on BGs and Cyrodiil is disproportionate to any realistic counter. Even if I run detect pots, I have to leave the entire fight/capture point to hunt down one person?

I don’t get sniped in duels and there’s a reason for that. On an even playing field, the cowards know they’ll get exposed because counters exist in that environment. They only use it/spam it in environments where they can do so without being countered. Significantly ramping costs means they have to be much for tactical and wise when playing like that because two to three snipes and they should be out of resources.

RandomKodiak

Until they separate Pvp and PvE doing so would kill an entire weapon line in PvE though. I agree with the desyncs in PvP snipe can be aboslutly overpowered but as a PvE bow/bow player you would kill my main with said ramping cost as no other "spamable" even comes close to the damage of Lethal Arrow and I mean by 6-10k. I am not sure what the solution is as I said I know on the PvP side it is a major issue but calling for killing an entire skill line seems unfair as well.

Dominion_Nightblade

Yes please buff snipe

DonGodJoe

Dizzying Swing should have ramping cost .. teoretically speaking every strong spammable should have ramping cost based on your topic.

Logical solution would be removing proc builds, people blame skills but its always set fault..
Saying you can take 6-10k from snipe? No. (possible more likely with vampire ability, titanborn and malacath)
My bow/bow nb is good but im aint doing 6k snipe shots to players except those who have no idea how to play the game, or their itemization is bad. Facing regular (most likely tank players almost at every corner) players wont let me make a hit for more than 5k
The whole pvp is just a joke (and its not just my opinion, there is plenty of streamers or regular players saying this as well)

itscompton

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

"I get killed by snipe, so nerf snipe".

Meanwhile, people can keep spamming any other op skill with no ramping cost.

This is true. Snipe is really easy to dodge as well. Players dodge it all the time when i pvp with my bow bow stamblade. They look like sonic the hedgehog. I only spam it in BGs if i can do so from a perch. Otherwise there are better abilities to use.

It's the desync, often you don't know you have been by one until 2-3 land. So the counter isn't there ATM. They can keep it exactly the same but fix the desync👍

Yes, people don't die to snipe because someone uses it 5+ times in a row unless they are a really bad player so ramping cost would fix nothing. The only thing wrong with snipe that needs to be fixed is how often you'll drop dead with 2-3 of them hitting you before you even hear the audio cue to dodge the first and ramping cost wouldn't address that issue in any way.

Qbiken

The biggest issue with snipe is the "hidden mechanic" that causes skills to stun an enemy target if it's used from behind and/or stealth/hidden and sneak. This works for ANY skill and not just snipe, but snipe is by far the worst offender that interacts with this mechanic.

In my opinion, initiating the snipe skill should remove the user from stealth and sneak/hidden. This way you won't be "stunned desynced" on the receiving end and it opens up better counterplay options without changing anything about the snipe skill itself.

In the best of worlds I'd like to seen ZOS remove the mechanic that allows skills and abilities to stun targets just because you were behind them or in sneak/stealth/hidden.

Bucky_13

itscompton wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

"I get killed by snipe, so nerf snipe".

Meanwhile, people can keep spamming any other op skill with no ramping cost.

This is true. Snipe is really easy to dodge as well. Players dodge it all the time when i pvp with my bow bow stamblade. They look like sonic the hedgehog. I only spam it in BGs if i can do so from a perch. Otherwise there are better abilities to use.

It's the desync, often you don't know you have been by one until 2-3 land. So the counter isn't there ATM. They can keep it exactly the same but fix the desync👍

Yes, people don't die to snipe because someone uses it 5+ times in a row unless they are a really bad player so ramping cost would fix nothing. The only thing wrong with snipe that needs to be fixed is how often you'll drop dead with 2-3 of them hitting you before you even hear the audio cue to dodge the first and ramping cost wouldn't address that issue in any way.

This 100%. You can get killed from snipe because of the desynch and that shouldn't happen. If someone lands 5 snipers in a row on you and you did because you don't know how to break free, block, dodge, then it's a LTP issue. Oh, and the issues when you can't break free despite spamming it is also something that needs to be fixed. The initial stun from a NB is fair, not being able to break free because of performance issues for a few seconds despite spamming break free is not.

ZOS_GinaBruno

There are some adjustments for Snipe in Update 29 (and going onto PTS today). Would love to hear everyone's feedback on this after you have a chance to try it out.

TequilaFire

So caving to the guys that don't like ranged play eh?

RandomKodiak

Hope it's not a big nerf because in PvE there is no replacement by 10k damage and it would kill bow/bow

DeathStalker

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There are some adjustments for Snipe in Update 29 (and going onto PTS today). Would love to hear everyone's feedback on this after you have a chance to try it out.

How can you type this response and be getting us natch potes at the same time? It makes no sense?

Felexir

@ZOS_GinaBruno where can I find these snipe adjustment notes?

PizzaCat82

If someone is sniping you can either close the gap on them (easy) or if they're on a ledge or keep you can simply move like 5 feet back.

I've never had a snipe I couldn't heal through, unless I got desync'd and was already dead before the first arrow hit. Still happens sometimes, but its rare.

RandomKodiak

This was on a bow/bow both the "new" sorc skill then LA
Like I said no comparison so I hope they didn't just kill bow/bow

Vildebill

It's year 2021 and people still have problems with snipe