How important are race passives to you when creating characters?

Deathlord92

In pvp I feel like there very important. I can’t talk for end game pve I done a few vet dungeons where I felt dps loss playing Breton stamblade lucky for me my 2 favourite races are wood elf and Breton.

Iluvrien

Other ( for you special other choosers ;) )

Important, but not for min/maxing.

Race passives are how the lore around racial mechanics is supposed to be represented in the world.

Obviously ZOS have made some missteps in this regard.

barney2525

Important

It gives me an idea about gear and enchantments I will need for the style of play of the character.

JinMori

Important

If you look at the game from a performance prospective, they are important. More than in other games.

AcadianPaladin

Important

Absolutely must have the hidden passive Best in Slot for Cute. That would be Bosmer.

Chaos2088

Other ( for you special other choosers ;) )

I like to do what I want, but if I was to bring a stam altmer into a vet trial, I would be either mocked at or kicked.

So the meta would need to be shifted or more flexible for people not to care...

renne

Important

colossalvoids wrote: »

They are important for sure but if I want imperial dd it's not stopping me for sure, most outcome comes from experience and not race/sets. Played ok my dunmer main as a stamina way before passives rework, almost zero difference when you understand what you are doing.

Basically this. You might hit a little harder or you might have a bit of an easier time but if you know what you're doing it's not a big deal.

Tharonil

Neutral

The passives are important for me, but more important is the look of my character. Even if I like the orc passive for example, I didn't create an orc since I started playing the game. I like to see orcs but I wouldn't play one.

Tandor

Other ( for you special other choosers ;) )

Not important in terms of what others consider to be a meta build for their playstyle, but important for how I see the character given my playstyle.

JinMori

Important

Tandor wrote: »

Not important in terms of what others consider to be a meta build for their playstyle, but important for how I see the character given my playstyle.

I mean, you might say that, but if we look at reality, 2k more magicka and 256 spell damage do matter if you want to build the absolute most powerful magicka build possible.

I think you people are not looking at the reality of the situation, and are only focused on "well this is my playstile", but in the end, if you want to build the most powerful mag or stam build, high elf and orc are mathematically the best.

Fine if performance is not your priority, but let's not pretend.

Princess_Kassiopeia

Important

I'm a Princess high Elf........

What can I say?

Wandering_Immigrant

Other ( for you special other choosers ;) )

I decided early on that I wanted 2 of each race, a male and a female. So while I do find it very important to give each of my builds the best racial passives, I also find it equally important to give each race a build they can thrive in. As such I factor many things into my character creation and often have more than one character in mind during the process in order to determine which race should get which class.

Danikat

Not important

I honestly don't remember what most of the racial passives are, even for my main characters, and it's not something I think about at all when creating characters. I do consider the lore and typical strengths and weaknesses of the race, which I'm aware are what the racial passives are based on, but I don't think about the individual skills at all.

(And no, I'm not remotely concerned about having the best possible character, mathmatically or otherwise. I mainly do open-world PvE and sometimes normal dungeons with my guilds, and I don't use CP to avoid making the parts of the game I enjoy too easy, so forcing myself to use a race I don't want or which doesn't fit the character I imagine because the passives are better would be nonsensical to me.)

Tremuto

Important

Important enough for me to consider if I wanna struggle with dungeon/trial groups on my character or if I want a laughably easy class to do pledges on.

Looking at you, Stamplar Orcs.

UGotBenched91

Neutral

JinMori wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Not important in terms of what others consider to be a meta build for their playstyle, but important for how I see the character given my playstyle.

I mean, you might say that, but if we look at reality, 2k more magicka and 256 spell damage do matter if you want to build the absolute most powerful magicka build possible.

I think you people are not looking at the reality of the situation, and are only focused on "well this is my playstile", but in the end, if you want to build the most powerful mag or stam build, high elf and orc are mathematically the best.

Fine if performance is not your priority, but let's not pretend.

And that’s what bothers me about games with racial passives. It should be my skill that puts me at top not because I picked the meta race.

This is not saying players who pick this races don’t have skills. It’s just that if two equally skilled players play it’s a bummer that the one who chose the flavor of the month performs better.

UGotBenched91

Neutral

@Tharonil

I have one orc but I don’t play him mainly because I hate how he looks. I need to create a new one or change his appearance to be slightly smaller. The over bulky orcs looks bad in a lot of armor and costumes IMO.

JinMori

Important

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Not important in terms of what others consider to be a meta build for their playstyle, but important for how I see the character given my playstyle.

I mean, you might say that, but if we look at reality, 2k more magicka and 256 spell damage do matter if you want to build the absolute most powerful magicka build possible.

I think you people are not looking at the reality of the situation, and are only focused on "well this is my playstile", but in the end, if you want to build the most powerful mag or stam build, high elf and orc are mathematically the best.

Fine if performance is not your priority, but let's not pretend.

And that’s what bothers me about games with racial passives. It should be my skill that puts me at top not because I picked the meta race.

This is not saying players who pick this races don’t have skills. It’s just that if two equally skilled players play it’s a bummer that the one who chose the flavor of the month performs better.

Maybe, i mean they will not double your damage from the worst to best pick, but it's definitely a noticeable improvement.

Personally, i would be fine with both, either irrelevant passives or quite strong, both have their advantages and disadvantages.

But even better, for gameplay purposes selecting your passives would be very nice, wouldn't make a lot of sense from a lore prospective, but from a gameplay one it would be perfect.

tohopka_eso

Neutral

Since I don't pvp or endgame, I make a character on how I view them playing. My bosmer warden I play like a ranger to my new redguard dk I'm trying to have fun with as a monk.

Tandor

Other ( for you special other choosers ;) )

JinMori wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Not important in terms of what others consider to be a meta build for their playstyle, but important for how I see the character given my playstyle.

I mean, you might say that, but if we look at reality, 2k more magicka and 256 spell damage do matter if you want to build the absolute most powerful magicka build possible.

I think you people are not looking at the reality of the situation, and are only focused on "well this is my playstile", but in the end, if you want to build the most powerful mag or stam build, high elf and orc are mathematically the best.

Fine if performance is not your priority, but let's not pretend.

That's why I referred to my playstyle. I'm not remotely interested in competitive or group content. I have no need to build the mathematically most powerful build.

Sylvermynx

Not important

Faiza wrote: »

I make my characters based on their personal story arcs etc. I don't think racial passives are important because I'm just not interested in min maxing.

^^ This.

DaveMoeDee

Important

Pretty much dictates what race I will pick. I do like having a little variety though, so I might consider what is currently considered second or third best for some alts. I have 18 max level atm.

Vlad9425

Important

First I choose the race I like appearance wise then I decide what kind of play style I want depending on the passives.

emilyhyoyeon

Not important

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Faiza wrote: »

I make my characters based on their personal story arcs etc. I don't think racial passives are important because I'm just not interested in min maxing.

^^ This.

this for me as well, although if I'm doing group content stuff I will get as close to minmaxing for my characters as I can while still remaining reasonably true to them. For example, I'll slot necrotic orb for a trial even if my character only does fire based destruction magic. With race, appearance, other strong fundamentals like that, I won't compromise obviously

Tsar_Gekkou

Important

I don't want to make things too much harder for my role than I have to.

Mythreindeer

Neutral

I usually go with a race that will add something to gameplay, e.g., I always want a stam boost for stam character but there are several choices there, or a health bonus for a tank char, etc., but I'm not that rigid.

TheImperfect

Important

It's important but if I wanted a bosmer say for role play reasons I'd still have one.

wheresbes

Important

IMO they are important, that's why I wish I could choose the passives regardless of race (weird and not lore-friendly, I know).

My huge issue is that.. well, I like my characters to be tall. So, yeah, I choose the race for cosmetic reasons even if know it doesn't synergise well with the role/class I want to play.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Important

For most of my toons, it's important. I have a Meta (or close to a meta) stam and mag DPS for each class. Racial passives are most important for a DPS character as some races are objectively better than others. For just about every other type of play, while certainly important, there are ways to compensate for potential weakness in the race.

I do have some toons whose name suggests a race, and they probably arent going to change with the Meta. I mean, Bearzilla is always going to be an Argonian. He is a tank, so it works pretty well even if not perfectly optimal.

Starlight_Whisper

Important

Decides what I want to build. I can build around any race as a healer or tank though so doesn't matter in traditional sense

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Important

I can't fathom just throwing any class and race combination together unless I made the character as a Meme with no intention of taking it seriously whatsoever, or I was new and had absolutely 0 clue wtf I was doing and didn't know the DOES and DOESN'T of the game

Race is extremely crucial to a build, to the point of make or brake (at least since the Morrowind sustain oblitera- I mean rework). I wouldn't be caught dead playing a Redguard MagSorc, or Breton StamDK. It pains me when I see players roll characters like that!