Why make new content instead of fixing the old? New chapter or performance improvements?

erio

Edit: Before you comment that the poll is biased, because you do not have any performance issues because you do not pvp, please consider that anyone who does pvp has these issues, and the 2 options i have provided are accurate for a large amount of pvp and pve players.

Why are you spending time, money, and resources on new chapters, instead of fixing your server performance?

Its short term gains, over long term profits. Look at the steam charts when a new chapter or patch drops. Literally no population increase, you would think they would realize that theres almost no intrest in new ESO content from an outsiders POV. Why spend all that time and money animating 100 hours worth of cutscenes when no one is watching them??? I sure am glad I can see generic ninja or barbarian dude fight for the 15th time. I guess its neccesary when your own playerbase wont advertise your game for you either, when was the last time you heard your favorite eso youtuber say good things about ESO.

You would think ZOS would reward those of us who stick around, but instead we are punished with an overpriced laggy mess that we are required to purchase to remain competitive, while your ping counter lies directly to our faces. Why are we paying 40$ for 1 zone, 1 raid, a few dungeons, and some new grindy skillline, and a new cheesy meta, when other MMOs offer much more for that price, without the poor server performance? Its mind boggling.

I personally wish you would put your latest chapter on hold, and put your resources into server performance.

zvavi

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

But man, more content means more $.
Also, this year was performance year

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

zvavi wrote: »

But man, more content means more $.
Also, this year was performance year

So does having a larger, loyal, growing playbase to buy the content

Nairinhe

I want a new chapter with poor performance

I'd like both, but if I absolutely have to choose, I choose new content.

erio wrote: »

Look at the steam charts when a new chapter or patch drops. Literally no population increase, you would think they would realize that theres almost no intrest in new ESO content from an outsiders POV.

You are literally wrong. Year's top numbers are always around chapter drop.

erio wrote: »

Why spend all that time and money animating 100 hours worth of cutscenes when no one is watching them??? I sure am glad I can see generic ninja or barbarian dude fight for the 15th time. I guess its neccesary when your own playerbase wont advertise your game for you either, when was the last time you heard your favorite eso youtuber say good things about ESO.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Quest cutscenes don't advertise the game (and every quester would watch them at least once), trailers don't have 100 hours.

erio wrote: »

I personally wish you would put your latest chapter on hold, and put your resources into server performance.

I've personally encountered not much of the bugs and have zero performance problems. My BF crashed maybe twice since Markarth and was like "what bugs?" when I tell him what's going on on the forums. I'm afraid there's not enough people for whom game is unplayable enough to warrant absence of new content.

llande

No vote because poll is biased. I want more content because performance is ok. Never had a crash or a bug that couldn't be fixed with /reloadui

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

Nairinhe wrote: »

I'd like both, but if I absolutely have to choose, I choose new content.

erio wrote: »

Look at the steam charts when a new chapter or patch drops. Literally no population increase, you would think they would realize that theres almost no intrest in new ESO content from an outsiders POV.

You are literally wrong. Year's top numbers are always around chapter drop.

erio wrote: »

Why spend all that time and money animating 100 hours worth of cutscenes when no one is watching them??? I sure am glad I can see generic ninja or barbarian dude fight for the 15th time. I guess its neccesary when your own playerbase wont advertise your game for you either, when was the last time you heard your favorite eso youtuber say good things about ESO.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Quest cutscenes don't advertise the game (and every quester would watch them at least once), trailers don't have 100 hours.

erio wrote: »

I personally wish you would put your latest chapter on hold, and put your resources into server performance.

I've personally encountered not much of the bugs and have zero performance problems. My BF crashed maybe twice since Markarth and was like "what bugs?" when I tell him what's going on on the forums. I'm afraid there's not enough people for whom game is unplayable enough to warrant absence of new content.

Greymoor came out in may, the playbase was boosted by the pandemic, but there was DEFINITELY a clear decrease, and loss of intrest.

https://youtu.be/edSI2F-PTuE Then who are these for?

You must have literally never stepped into cyrodil. I guess because you dont have any performance problems no one else is. This patch is the worst for crashes weve had in years. Constant dcs, and straight to desktop crashes. The werewolf morph literally unmorphed itself for many players and deleted their skill point. These are just a few of the issues people have been having. Ignorance is bliss.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

llande wrote: »

No vote because poll is biased. I want more content because performance is ok. Never had a crash or a bug that couldn't be fixed with /reloadui

Performance clearly isnt okay. The 2 options i have provided are accurate.
Skills dont go off in cyrodil, and when they do its laggy and feels awful. Had a guild raid in cyrodil last night, 2 of our healers dced a combined 3 times in a 2ish hour period. I personally have had around 6 crashes since the release of markarth.

There was a well known issue of crashes in DLC dungeons. I experienced this a lot too.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/555219/pc-mac-patch-notes-v6-2-8

GenjiraX

Each year I'd like to see a DLC (zone or dungeon), a Chapter, a performance revision (lasting three months), and then another DLC (dungeon or zone). I'd be happy to pay a 25% increase for content to support this.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

GenjiraX wrote: »

Each year I'd like to see a DLC (zone or dungeon), a Chapter, a performance revision (lasting three months), and then another DLC (dungeon or zone). I'd be happy to pay a 25% increase for content to support this.

Thats what this year was supposed to be wasnt it? I feel ZOS has proved themselves incapable of doing this.

Nairinhe

I want a new chapter with poor performance

erio wrote: »

Greymoor came out in may

And Covid came out earlier. Thought that's obvious. If you've meant only this year's numbers they are totally unrepresentative due to pandemic.

erio wrote: »

https://youtu.be/edSI2F-PTuE Then who are these for?

Then where are 100 hours? Or 1.6 million of views are "no one"? You could be a bit nicer and just say that you meant trailers, eh?

erio wrote: »

You must have literally never stepped into cyrodil. I guess because you dont have any performance problems no one else is. This patch is the worst for crashes weve had in years. Constant dcs, and straight to desktop crashes. The werewolf morph literally unmorphed itself for many players and deleted their skill point. These are just a few of the issues people have been having. Ignorance is bliss.

I said that there are people without problems, I never said there's no problems. Also I think that most of the players are too casual (for the lack of a better word) to be seriously affected. But absence of new content they would notice.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

Nairinhe wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Greymoor came out in may

And Covid came out earlier. Thought that's obvious. If you've meant only this year's numbers they are totally unrepresentative due to pandemic.

erio wrote: »

https://youtu.be/edSI2F-PTuE Then who are these for?

Then where are 100 hours? Or 1.6 million of views are "no one"? You could be a bit nicer and just say that you meant trailers, eh?

erio wrote: »

You must have literally never stepped into cyrodil. I guess because you dont have any performance problems no one else is. This patch is the worst for crashes weve had in years. Constant dcs, and straight to desktop crashes. The werewolf morph literally unmorphed itself for many players and deleted their skill point. These are just a few of the issues people have been having. Ignorance is bliss.

I said that there are people without problems, I never said there's no problems. Also I think that most of the players are too casual (for the lack of a better word) to be seriously affected. But absence of new content they would notice.

Are you a robot who takes everything literally? Clearly theres not 100 hours of cinematics.

I realized after I posted that response that someone would not understand and edited it a minute later. Even though the population was boosted, it went down drasticly, to right where it was before. Even if the population was boosted, may was still the ideal time for the population to actually grow. Instead greymoor comesout and the population shrinks. My point still stands

The people who are without problems are the people who dont play the game. They dont do any sort of competitve pvp, and they dont get bamboozled during some achievement pve run cause they dont do anything remotely difficult. This game did casual and hardcore before, but its clearly losing its hardcore playerbase because no one wants to get screwed out of another 40$ for worse performance.

markulrich1966

I want a new chapter with poor performance

the game was intentionally nerfed in many issues, so I lost interest in playing any challlenging content.
And that content is, where the bugs have most impact (vet/HM dungeons, trials).

I even skip most worldbosses meanwhile since the amount of time you have to invest to solo them is insane (on xbox EU, on NA it is better as that server is not yet as deserted).


What still keeps me playing is some distraction I get from the new DLCs.
When they are released, I do crafting writs only for 1-2 weeks until the worst bugs are fixed, then play the stories.
People wanted nerfs, the forums are full of such requests, so don't complain if affected people no longer like to play difficult combat.

Nairinhe

I want a new chapter with poor performance

erio wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Greymoor came out in may

And Covid came out earlier. Thought that's obvious. If you've meant only this year's numbers they are totally unrepresentative due to pandemic.

erio wrote: »

https://youtu.be/edSI2F-PTuE Then who are these for?

Then where are 100 hours? Or 1.6 million of views are "no one"? You could be a bit nicer and just say that you meant trailers, eh?

erio wrote: »

You must have literally never stepped into cyrodil. I guess because you dont have any performance problems no one else is. This patch is the worst for crashes weve had in years. Constant dcs, and straight to desktop crashes. The werewolf morph literally unmorphed itself for many players and deleted their skill point. These are just a few of the issues people have been having. Ignorance is bliss.

I said that there are people without problems, I never said there's no problems. Also I think that most of the players are too casual (for the lack of a better word) to be seriously affected. But absence of new content they would notice.

Are you a robot who takes everything literally? Clearly theres not 100 hours of cinematics.

I realized after I posted that response that someone would not understand and edited it a minute later. Even though the population was boosted, it went down drasticly, to right where it was before. Even if the population was boosted, may was still the ideal time for the population to actually grow. Instead greymoor comesout and the population shrinks. My point still stands

The people who are without problems are the people who dont play the game. They dont do any sort of competitve pvp, and they dont get bamboozled during some achievement pve run cause they dont do anything remotely difficult. This game did casual and hardcore before, but its clearly losing its hardcore playerbase because no one wants to get screwed out of another 40$ for worse performance.

Even if you mean that they spent a lot of resources on trailers, we get them twice a year, only one of them being cinematic and it's unlikely that people who do cinematics are the same who work on game itself.

Population is all over the place. I'm no analyst, but I think you need to be one to correctly interpret this year's mess.

And if you think that only those who do competitive PVP or achievement-worthy PVE count as players, we have nothing more to discuss, sorry.

Firstmep

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

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erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

@Nairinhe
Im sorry, but you dont need to be an analyst. This year has had more people sitting at home, playing games on their pc than ever before, and ESO has managed to not maintain any of them. Its population has shrunk.

My point with the trailers is that theres no interest in the game, which is shown by the population numbers. Greymoors launch = decrease. Markarth = Dercease, and also that they should be putting their resources into something that will actually increase the population - good server performance.

Im sorry but the game should not be built around the people who sit in their house all day, while the pve and pvp playerbase get bamboozled again and again.

ivramirez

I want a new chapter with poor performance

Dangerous topic to talk about. Agreed that what is needed is a better game not new content.

Sarannah

Content with great performance as it is now, would be my option!
Bad/biased poll options, as the game runs perfectly fine for me! So I would choose content with great performance. (a few players seem to have many issues, but overall not many players have issues)

PS: The players that do seem to have major issues, seem to be very vocal! Yes, the issues should get fixed or solved asap. But in my opinion there is no reason for threads like these. Post your issues to get help from fellow players, or to have ZOS fix them ASAP.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

Sarannah wrote: »

Content with great performance as it is now, would be my option!
Bad/biased poll options, as the game runs perfectly fine for me! So I would choose content with great performance. (a few players seem to have many issues, but overall not many players have issues)

PS: The players that do seem to have major issues, seem to be very vocal! Yes, the issues should get fixed or solved asap. But in my opinion there is no reason for threads like these. Post your issues to get help from fellow players, or to have ZOS fix them ASAP.

I would humbly request that you step into a cyrodil campaign.
*IT IS NOT BIASED* What i stated is an ACCURATE representation of the 2 options I am suggesting, as there is clearly issues with performance. if you sit in some random pve zone, house, or delve or something all day of course youre going to have less issues, please dont pretend that the game does not need stable servers when theyre charging you 40$ for broken content.

ivramirez

I want a new chapter with poor performance

Sarannah wrote: »

Content with great performance as it is now, would be my option!
Bad/biased poll options, as the game runs perfectly fine for me! So I would choose content with great performance. (a few players seem to have many issues, but overall not many players have issues)

PS: The players that do seem to have major issues, seem to be very vocal! Yes, the issues should get fixed or solved asap. But in my opinion there is no reason for threads like these. Post your issues to get help from fellow players, or to have ZOS fix them ASAP.

False, It is clear that you are a casual player. anybody who log in daily to ESO knows that there is a problem, a big problem with many things including performance. with respect most of us have problems.

dcam86b14_ESO

I want a new chapter with poor performance

I play mostly housing and cyrodil main campaign and sorry to say that I have had zero issues with playing outside of the occassinal lag spike. Been here since BETA

erio wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Content with great performance as it is now, would be my option!
Bad/biased poll options, as the game runs perfectly fine for me! So I would choose content with great performance. (a few players seem to have many issues, but overall not many players have issues)

PS: The players that do seem to have major issues, seem to be very vocal! Yes, the issues should get fixed or solved asap. But in my opinion there is no reason for threads like these. Post your issues to get help from fellow players, or to have ZOS fix them ASAP.

I would humbly request that you step into a cyrodil campaign.
*IT IS NOT BIASED* What i stated is an ACCURATE representation of the 2 options I am suggesting, as there is clearly issues with performance. if you sit in some random pve zone, house, or delve or something all day of course youre going to have less issues, please dont pretend that the game does not need stable servers when theyre charging you 40$ for broken content.

Been playing Cryodil since day 1 and I have zero issues other than lag spikes. I can be around the hammer and not DC at all. It's sad that some players experience the many many bugs but there's also a small minority who have no issues.
Should those be fixed yes but the pvp base has to be realistic and wake up, you're not important from a monetary stand point.
I am part of that group and yes I am more tired of the same Cyro and nothing else to do in that zone in over 4 years.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I play mostly housing and cyrodil main campaign and sorry to say that I have had zero issues with playing outside of the occassinal lag spike. Been here since BETA

erio wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Content with great performance as it is now, would be my option!
Bad/biased poll options, as the game runs perfectly fine for me! So I would choose content with great performance. (a few players seem to have many issues, but overall not many players have issues)

PS: The players that do seem to have major issues, seem to be very vocal! Yes, the issues should get fixed or solved asap. But in my opinion there is no reason for threads like these. Post your issues to get help from fellow players, or to have ZOS fix them ASAP.

I would humbly request that you step into a cyrodil campaign.
*IT IS NOT BIASED* What i stated is an ACCURATE representation of the 2 options I am suggesting, as there is clearly issues with performance. if you sit in some random pve zone, house, or delve or something all day of course youre going to have less issues, please dont pretend that the game does not need stable servers when theyre charging you 40$ for broken content.

Been playing Cryodil since day 1 and I have zero issues other than lag spikes. I can be around the hammer and not DC at all. It's sad that some players experience the many many bugs but there's also a small minority who have no issues.
Should those be fixed yes but the pvp base has to be realistic and wake up, you're not important from a monetary stand point.
I am part of that group and yes I am more tired of the same Cyro and nothing else to do in that zone in over 4 years.

Im sorry but please dont lie. If you play in greyhost, during the dead of night or primetime, you know there is going to be poor performance. Not just lag spikes. Skill delay from 1-5 seconds, bugs, skills just not going off, or not working at all and just consuming your resources.
If the Pvp playerbase would be realistic and wake up, we would realize that the game is hopeless the way its going and drop ship, which is something that would be bad for the game. We are important. More pvp players means more players over all. When people look at ESO and see that it has a large, growing, happy playerbase, they will want to join too.

More players = more money.
Losing players = Less money in the long run.

Crash427

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

There are more eso players that are happy to have animal crossing with elves than there are competitive players that want a challenge.

vestahls

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

The people who make the content probably don't get to decide if they make it or not.

And the people who monitor performance probably aren't that forthcoming higher up with all the issues people complain about on our containment forum.

SammyKhajit

OP why have fights with people on the forum? Raise your question and complaints on the ESO Twitter page - I can assure you they are much more responsive re bugs etc. on social media.

They seem to have decided that forum is the place where complaints die.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

SammyKhajit wrote: »

OP why have fights with people on the forum? Raise your question and complaints on the ESO Twitter page - I can assure you they are much more responsive re bugs etc. on social media.

They seem to have decided that forum is the place where complaints die.

Because these are the people who dont speak up, and dont seem to understand or care that the game is bigger than them.

Tandor

Other: I don't have any performance problems, recognise that some others do, but also know that content creators and performance fixers comprise two very different teams so that the idea that dropping one will lead to expansion of the other is entirely false, as are biased polls.

Scardan

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

I am for the bug fixes and improved server performance. I rarely find bugs and the game rarely crashes, but maybe I will have fewer disconnects. I started playing in the summer, I have constant disconnections, I fly out of the server several times in a couple of hours, amid dialogues, battles, generally randomly and the server does not let me back for a whole minute, thinking that I am in the game. There is no light cable to my house, and in other online games this is not the case, they disconnect me only when the connection completely disappears or really becomes very slow for some technical reason on the side of my provider.

I think, we can go for a year without new content. Instead, they can just throw us events of varying degrees of sophistication. There are already so many quests in the game that it is simply impossible to redo all of them in a year, unless you quit your job and sleep a little, so that newcomers will have something to do for the whole year anyway. "Old" players can do the things they usually do and events noticing better performance.

Shantu

Given what's been presented as new content and performance improvements over the last couple of years, unfortunately I find myself enthusiastic for neither.

erio

I would be willing to wait for performance improvements

Tandor wrote: »

Other: I don't have any performance problems, recognise that some others do, but also know that content creators and performance fixers comprise two very different teams so that the idea that dropping one will lead to expansion of the other is entirely false, as are biased polls.

I dont see how its biased, and I dont see how the fact that there is 2 different teams means anything. Yes some guy making art assets all day isnt going to magically help performance, but ZOS funding and putting more resources into the chapter and dlc creation that could be going to performance is the problem. I never said to completely drop one or the other.

rpa

Unfortunately thats not how this game works. I expect less content with worse performance. Would be nice to be wrong.

bmnoble

No vote because poll is biased. I want more content, I don't dispute PVP performance is bad, but the other parts of the game that I play perform just fine for the most part.

They have had years to fix some issues if they knew how they would be fixed by now, stopping new content is not suddenly going to give them a light bulb moment and cause them to know how to fix every issue with the game and new content is created by another team to those handling the bugs.