Do you like Bar Swapping

spartaxoxo

In combat, do you like swapping bars to access different sets of skills? Or would you prefer to access those skills some other way or not at all?

ccfeeling

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

I'm in Console , so I like Bar Swapping lol .

spartaxoxo

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

ccfeeling wrote: »

I'm in Console , so I like Bar Swapping lol .

Same here! But I saw an interesting argument about it and was like...I never really thought about bar swapping before

Mindcr0w

No. I dislike bar swapping and would make a different system entirely (please elaborate in comments)

I don't like bar swapping per se, but I also don't have any better ideas as to how to open up 12+ skills on consoles so I don't really complain about it either.

Sylvermynx

No. I don't like it. But none of your options fit my situations, so sorry - "Other" (which is NOT "I don't know"....)

I have only satellite for connection. Bar swapping is not a good fit with satellite. So yeah, I don't bar swap. This game's combat is.... unimaginably awkward for someone who has only sat for connection.

Love the game. Hate the combat. So therefore, I do as little combat as necessary.

spartaxoxo

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Sylvermynx wrote: »

No. I don't like it. But none of your options fit my situations, so sorry - "Other" (which is NOT "I don't know"....)

There's an option for other @Sylvermynx You would use an unspecified different system that requires elaboration in the comments

Sylvermynx

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

No. I don't like it. But none of your options fit my situations, so sorry - "Other" (which is NOT "I don't know"....)

There's an option for other @Sylvermynx You would use an unspecified different system that requires elaboration in the comments

*snort* Nope, that's not an option - as I have NO IDEA about some "unspecified different system". Sheesh. I literally cannot use bar swapping, and for my situation I HAVE NO CLUE what could be done to fix it.

rpa

No. I dislike bar swapping and would make a different system entirely (please elaborate in comments)

I dislike bar swapping because it fails too often. I'd prefer to have one bar of 8-10 skills or have both bars available but that would require redesign because passives from slotted skills, ultimates and how sorc pets work and whatever.

Tremuto

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Which option do I choose when I like bar swapping, but don't like it when I cast Endless Hail and I can't swap bars for 3 seconds?

spartaxoxo

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Sylvermynx wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

No. I don't like it. But none of your options fit my situations, so sorry - "Other" (which is NOT "I don't know"....)

There's an option for other @Sylvermynx You would use an unspecified different system that requires elaboration in the comments

*snort* Nope, that's not an option - as I have NO IDEA about some "unspecified different system". Sheesh. I literally cannot use bar swapping, and for my situation I HAVE NO CLUE what could be done to fix it.

I mean "I don't know what the different system should be, but I know we need a different one" still fits under "We need a different one imo"

I cannot possibly account for every reason someone will not specify, which is why that one states that you need to go into the comment section as well to elaborate.

But if you don't feel like it accomodates your response, that's fine. I strongly disagree because everytime you've explained your stance it still fits that choice but it's just a silly internet poll, not a big deal.

spartaxoxo

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Tremuto wrote: »

Which option do I choose when I like bar swapping, but don't like it when I cast Endless Hail and I can't swap bars for 3 seconds?

"I Like bar swapping."

Because that's not a problem with the system; it's a problem with ZOS having way too many bugs in their game and the perfomance being an absolute freaking mess rn.

LightYagami

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Bar swapping is quite fun to play with to be honest...

Prerequisite: no bug, no delay, no malfunctioning of bat swapping.

ealdwin

I don't know

Haven’t really given it much thought, tbh.

Most of the time, I’m just soloing content, and tend to have most of my offensive abilities on the front bar, with maybe an extra AoE or DoT on the back bar with the defensive skills. My PVP setups are pretty much the same, with the back bar mainly for defense. Only time I do group content is as healer, where there’s a bit more flexibility regarding when I swap (eg. not a rigid rotation).

Maybe if I could find a better keybind I’d like it more. So far I haven’t found something other than the tilde that feels right.

Sephyr

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Yes! But other as I'd add some addon functionality into the base game;

• Better DoT duration timers after you swap bars as I don't know how console folks deal with their DoTs being thrown in that huge conga line. Something a little less intrusive, but easy to read at a glance (though if it's not an eyesore for the majority, we can count that out).
• Spell/Weapon damage that can be toggled in your settings (On/Off and Weapon Damage/Spell Damage/Both). Again, something less intrusive, but easy to read at a glance.
• Optional Weapon Enchantment/Poison charge indicators (optional meaning those indicators can be turned on and off as well).
• Maybe an option of showing both sets of weapons on our characters because where on Nirn are you pulling that greatsword from after you get done with your bow and did you put that in the same place? Not a requirement, but it's just disconcerting sometimes.

I'm sure there's others, but those are the main ones that I can think of. I feel for those on console who have to stare at that eyesore of a huge long line of buffs and DoTs going out, where as the UI with that could just be so much more crisper. Other than that, barswap is pretty much a necessity and I like that mechanic.

bmnoble

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Just wish we had a few more skill slots on each bar, instead of 1-5 have 1-9, don't want the entire bottom of the screen covered in skill slots though like other MMO's tend to do.

If they can't manage that I would settle for longer buff and damage over time durations, they want us to bar swap and apply buffs etc.. be nice if we don't have to swap back again right away because its run out after using a few skills on the main bar.

Be nice if they included Action duration reminder add on as part of the games UI as well something you can select in setting for those that don't want it are able to turn it off.

GrumpyDuckling

I'd like the OPTION to slot permanent toggle skills on the back bar at the cost of those skills offering reduced effectiveness. This would give struggling players some use out of those back bar skills if they aren't great at maintaining their rotation, but someone who is bar-swapping and activating those skills would have a significant advantage of those skills at full effectiveness.

This OPTION would help a lot of players who struggle to manage all 10 of their buttons, so it would raise the floor by giving those wasted skill slots a little value, yet it would keep the ceiling where it is because the idea would be to balance it so it's worth more to swap and activate the skills.

Minyassa

I don't know

It's an odd question for me personally because while I have had no trouble with bar swapping for years, I recently tried a couple of one-bar builds and they're *wonderful*. I have pretty severe spinal issues that affect my arms and hands at times, and the more movement in general that I have to do (especially thumb movements, so a gaming mouse did not help) the more tiring and painful extended play is for me. For a long time I was not able to even to a full dungeon without being physically wiped out and in a lot of pain afterward. The two one-bar builds I've been playing with are AMAZING, I'm able to do multiple dungeons again, or trials, without it hurting me. So just from that standpoint I really like the one-bar builds. Niche interest, I'm sure.

HalvarIronfist

I don't know

It doesn't work half the time in PVP, so I don't know if I like it or not.

Deathlord92

I do like bar swapping even if I went to pc I’d still be using a controller.

Cirantille

I don't know

I dont notice it to like or dislike it

It is just how it works

vestahls

No. I dislike bar swapping and would prefer we only had one set of skills

I really hate bar swapping. Why can't I just have all my skills visible on one bar? I guess it's just for the convenience of console players.
But I hate it, I wish we didn't have it on PC at least.

OlumoGarbag

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

vestahls wrote: »

I really hate bar swapping. Why can't I just have all my skills visible on one bar? I guess it's just for the convenience of console players.
But I hate it, I wish we didn't have it on PC at least.

BC ESO has a weapon based combat system like gw2. It wouldn't make sense at all to have the backbar weapon skills on the front at as well.

Sinolai

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

the only thing I dont like about it is that your stats can vary too much between bars and this is known to cause some bugs (suddenly your skills dont fire and you lose your stamina, even though you are trying to fire magicka skill).

vestahls

No. I dislike bar swapping and would prefer we only had one set of skills

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

I really hate bar swapping. Why can't I just have all my skills visible on one bar? I guess it's just for the convenience of console players.
But I hate it, I wish we didn't have it on PC at least.

BC ESO has a weapon based combat system like gw2. It wouldn't make sense at all to have the backbar weapon skills on the front at as well.

I have way more skills available in GW2, not just 5 + ulti.

Grianasteri

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

spartaxoxo wrote: »

In combat, do you like swapping bars to access different sets of skills? Or would you prefer to access those skills some other way or not at all?

When you manage to come up with a way for console players to have both bars available all the time without switching, do let me know.

Malkiv

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

I'm in Console , so I like Bar Swapping lol .

Same here! But I saw an interesting argument about it and was like...I never really thought about bar swapping before

Perhaps you should elaborate on that in your initial post, rather than the system of 3 "No" responses, 1 "Yes" response, and 1 response which does not even tie into polls. It should have just been a simple "Yes", "No", and "Other" with the replies to the thread filling in the ideas or details of the individual's view- that's how a non-bias poll works.

As far as my response to the thread:
I enjoy having two weapon styles available to me, but let's think of how would this work if we went to a 1-bar system.

Would we still be able to use two weapon styles?
If not, then the game we're talking about is no longer ESO.

Would all ability slots be available on one massive bar?
If so, then controllers would still need a modifier button if they want to retain current functionality of the UI for quickslots, etc.

Would we still have to swap weapons to activate weapon abilities if we're able to use two weapon styles?
If that's the case, then we really haven't removed bar swapping; now we're only catering to those that want to double slot the same weapon style.

TwinLamps

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

I like bar swapping so much I advocate for 3rd weapon bar

MorganaBlue

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Yes because LOL

Sengra

Grianasteri wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

In combat, do you like swapping bars to access different sets of skills? Or would you prefer to access those skills some other way or not at all?

When you manage to come up with a way for console players to have both bars available all the time without switching, do let me know.

How do they do it in FF14? I've played a litte on PC but I don't know how they manage 3 skill bars and other stuff (Chocobo skills etc) on the controller?

NEMESIS_97

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

Whats not to like there?

Stahlor

Yes. I like Bar Swapping

It's just logical. If you want to use another weapon, you have to swap it - or do your arrows suddenly come out of your two-hander?