Enough is Enough.

Attackopsn

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Things have just unhinged.

Before I rant, run my opinion into the dirt, or put negative energy into the room, I want to say that I care about the game. I remember being young and playing games like Morrowind and Oblivion and just hoping they took that world into the genre of something like RuneScape or World of Warcraft, which felt massive and overwhelming at the time.

I remember ESO being announced, and waiting years for it to be released, poking around in the beta at a friends house, and overlooking all the bugs for something I probably spent a decade just crossing my fingers to see come to fruition. Even counting down the final five seconds on the release screen with friends in a PSN party chat who were all eager to hop into this incredible game.

Things were never perfect, the game always had problems, but I think any veteran player will agree that we all just rolled with the punches, it was a big game, things were often rocky, but we all cared about it and stuck with it.

This last update is so different from iterations of the game when random bugs came to light that allowed people to desync people with emotes, or get into keeps, or even slay zergs and dungeons with camohunter. This last update had issues that were documented before release, widely known before release, acknowledged early within the PTS cycle, and then still released with the issues unchanged months later.

Some issues only relevant to end game such as minor slayer, some issues detracted enjoyment from a major portion of the player base such as the issues with light attacks in relation to their subsequent casted ability, some just blatantly surfaced as an extreme increase in error screens and performance drops within all areas of the game, not just the nearly unplayable performance wreck that is cyrodiil, ironically in a year named for performance fixes.

I’ve ran through the motions with this game from the very beginning, and I’ve seen problems arise, be frustrating, persist for too long and eventually receive a fix, etc, but this was just plainly disrespectful to your players.

As a player, you should feel disrespected, treated like your experience is unimportant as long as your money keeps coming in by a company that blatantly ignored bug reports and is not interested in solving performance issues.

Supporting this game with any money until that mistreatment is acknowledged is simply disrespectful to you, the player.
If we just allow this to happen in Markarth, expect this to happen in the future too.

If you really care about this game, cancel your sub, don’t buy any crowns, enough is enough.

Frankly I no longer pay to play this game. They broke trust a long time ago!

I was at a point where I was just subbing for quality of life reasons personally. Unsubbing felt more like it was out of principle. I just can’t support a company that pushes content like this, and I feel bad for any developer on that team who genuinely tries and gets throttled into an executive movement to push out unfinished content.

I’m positive that the two biggest reasons we are at this point have to do mainly with the heavy content schedule and the stadia changes.

Outside of the major issues, just about every area of game performance is severely diminished, and it shows!

azjuwelz

Actually I crash just as often while doing crafting surveys an antiquity digging. Not just combat related. The game seems to have multiple memory leaks.

Sephyr

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Things have just unhinged.

Before I rant, run my opinion into the dirt, or put negative energy into the room, I want to say that I care about the game. I remember being young and playing games like Morrowind and Oblivion and just hoping they took that world into the genre of something like RuneScape or World of Warcraft, which felt massive and overwhelming at the time.

I remember ESO being announced, and waiting years for it to be released, poking around in the beta at a friends house, and overlooking all the bugs for something I probably spent a decade just crossing my fingers to see come to fruition. Even counting down the final five seconds on the release screen with friends in a PSN party chat who were all eager to hop into this incredible game.

Things were never perfect, the game always had problems, but I think any veteran player will agree that we all just rolled with the punches, it was a big game, things were often rocky, but we all cared about it and stuck with it.

This last update is so different from iterations of the game when random bugs came to light that allowed people to desync people with emotes, or get into keeps, or even slay zergs and dungeons with camohunter. This last update had issues that were documented before release, widely known before release, acknowledged early within the PTS cycle, and then still released with the issues unchanged months later.

Some issues only relevant to end game such as minor slayer, some issues detracted enjoyment from a major portion of the player base such as the issues with light attacks in relation to their subsequent casted ability, some just blatantly surfaced as an extreme increase in error screens and performance drops within all areas of the game, not just the nearly unplayable performance wreck that is cyrodiil, ironically in a year named for performance fixes.

I’ve ran through the motions with this game from the very beginning, and I’ve seen problems arise, be frustrating, persist for too long and eventually receive a fix, etc, but this was just plainly disrespectful to your players.

As a player, you should feel disrespected, treated like your experience is unimportant as long as your money keeps coming in by a company that blatantly ignored bug reports and is not interested in solving performance issues.

Supporting this game with any money until that mistreatment is acknowledged is simply disrespectful to you, the player.
If we just allow this to happen in Markarth, expect this to happen in the future too.

If you really care about this game, cancel your sub, don’t buy any crowns, enough is enough.

Frankly I no longer pay to play this game. They broke trust a long time ago!

Same. Until they open communication, do a forum moderator audit due to the lack of consistency when enforcing the TOS, and fix the game? Most of my long-term guilds have been shifting to other games more deserving of the money.

virtus753

Jaraal wrote: »

Umbro100 wrote: »

Obviously money is all they care about, so some people believe if they cancel their subscription, it will hurt enough to make them act and change things for the better. I am afraid they are wrong, it feels like they are letting it die, god knows why. Hope not though ....

It's a nice sentiment, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

If a product starts losing money, then a company will shift resources away from it and put them into something more profitable.... like an upcoming AAA title. The more people that bail on the game (or start spending less while still playing), the less they will invest into keeping it running.

Which puts us in a catch-22: If we stop paying/playing, then they pull resources and the game dies out. If we keep paying/playing, then they don't invest further resources because the message is that it's, well, if not fine, then at least fine enough. So really there's only sticking around while the game tries to stay afloat or bailing.

The ties that keep people playing tend to be very strong: the Elder Scrolls environment and lore, the desire for an "online RPG" (rather than a game that hews more closely to the generic MMO standard), the power fantasy inherent in video games, the escapism, the dopamine hits, the social connections and expectations, the FOMO - and of course the understandable, often extreme reluctance to walk away from the virtual reality that represents a very real investment of time; money; and mental, social, and emotional energy.

What's disheartening for me is that, despite all those draws, there doesn't seem to be light at the end of the tunnel for those of us who want to keep playing and even paying but who find that increasingly difficult to justify. They'll almost certainly clean up the worst of the latest crash bugs in the next month or two, but this is just another in a long line of updates wherein major fundamental things break and have to be fixed. Frankly it's exhausting watching a game with such potential struggle so immensely with the task of living up to it.

And while on the technical front the game may in large part be "laboring under its own magnitude" (I won't say "greatness"), to borrow a phrase, what particularly baffles and discourages me are the completely arbitrary decisions that significantly reduce player morale (e.g. vet arena weapons, Rapids, recent changes to Cyro) dumped on us in the midst of these massive technical difficulties. Surely a company, no matter how profit-minded, doesn't stand to benefit from alienating consumers by implementing and attempting to defend such decisions amidst cycle after cycle of performance issues. And even if the next game they make doesn't have the same technical problems, who's to say it won't suffer from the same approach?

Ultimately the fact of the matter is that we can't drive improvements as customers of ESO, no matter how much time or money we spend. There's no pay to win here.

Attackopsn

Sephyr wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Things have just unhinged.

Before I rant, run my opinion into the dirt, or put negative energy into the room, I want to say that I care about the game. I remember being young and playing games like Morrowind and Oblivion and just hoping they took that world into the genre of something like RuneScape or World of Warcraft, which felt massive and overwhelming at the time.

I remember ESO being announced, and waiting years for it to be released, poking around in the beta at a friends house, and overlooking all the bugs for something I probably spent a decade just crossing my fingers to see come to fruition. Even counting down the final five seconds on the release screen with friends in a PSN party chat who were all eager to hop into this incredible game.

Things were never perfect, the game always had problems, but I think any veteran player will agree that we all just rolled with the punches, it was a big game, things were often rocky, but we all cared about it and stuck with it.

This last update is so different from iterations of the game when random bugs came to light that allowed people to desync people with emotes, or get into keeps, or even slay zergs and dungeons with camohunter. This last update had issues that were documented before release, widely known before release, acknowledged early within the PTS cycle, and then still released with the issues unchanged months later.

Some issues only relevant to end game such as minor slayer, some issues detracted enjoyment from a major portion of the player base such as the issues with light attacks in relation to their subsequent casted ability, some just blatantly surfaced as an extreme increase in error screens and performance drops within all areas of the game, not just the nearly unplayable performance wreck that is cyrodiil, ironically in a year named for performance fixes.

I’ve ran through the motions with this game from the very beginning, and I’ve seen problems arise, be frustrating, persist for too long and eventually receive a fix, etc, but this was just plainly disrespectful to your players.

As a player, you should feel disrespected, treated like your experience is unimportant as long as your money keeps coming in by a company that blatantly ignored bug reports and is not interested in solving performance issues.

Supporting this game with any money until that mistreatment is acknowledged is simply disrespectful to you, the player.
If we just allow this to happen in Markarth, expect this to happen in the future too.

If you really care about this game, cancel your sub, don’t buy any crowns, enough is enough.

Frankly I no longer pay to play this game. They broke trust a long time ago!

Same. Until they open communication, do a forum moderator audit due to the lack of consistency when enforcing the TOS, and fix the game? Most of my long-term guilds have been shifting to other games more deserving of the money.

I’ve seen many quality players who were consistent from day one, even more than myself, completely leave this game than any update ever that I have actively played. It sucks to watch because as I’m sure a lot of others would agree this game was so memorable and even important to many people🤕

Attackopsn

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Umbro100 wrote: »

Obviously money is all they care about, so some people believe if they cancel their subscription, it will hurt enough to make them act and change things for the better. I am afraid they are wrong, it feels like they are letting it die, god knows why. Hope not though ....

It's a nice sentiment, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

If a product starts losing money, then a company will shift resources away from it and put them into something more profitable.... like an upcoming AAA title. The more people that bail on the game (or start spending less while still playing), the less they will invest into keeping it running.

Which puts us in a catch-22: If we stop paying/playing, then they pull resources and the game dies out. If we keep paying/playing, then they don't invest further resources because the message is that it's, well, if not fine, then at least fine enough. So really there's only sticking around while the game tries to stay afloat or bailing.

The ties that keep people playing tend to be very strong: the Elder Scrolls environment and lore, the desire for an "online RPG" (rather than a game that hews more closely to the generic MMO standard), the power fantasy inherent in video games, the escapism, the dopamine hits, the social connections and expectations, the FOMO - and of course the understandable, often extreme reluctance to walk away from the virtual reality that represents a very real investment of time; money; and mental, social, and emotional energy.

What's disheartening for me is that, despite all those draws, there doesn't seem to be light at the end of the tunnel for those of us who want to keep playing and even paying but who find that increasingly difficult to justify. They'll almost certainly clean up the worst of the latest crash bugs in the next month or two, but this is just another in a long line of updates wherein major fundamental things break and have to be fixed. Frankly it's exhausting watching a game with such potential struggle so immensely with the task of living up to it.

And while on the technical front the game may in large part be "laboring under its own magnitude" (I won't say "greatness"), to borrow a phrase, what particularly baffles and discourages me are the completely arbitrary decisions that significantly reduce player morale (e.g. vet arena weapons, Rapids, recent changes to Cyro) dumped on us in the midst of these massive technical difficulties. Surely a company, no matter how profit-minded, doesn't stand to benefit from alienating consumers by implementing and attempting to defend such decisions amidst cycle after cycle of performance issues. And even if the next game they make doesn't have the same technical problems, who's to say it won't suffer from the same approach?

Ultimately the fact of the matter is that we can't drive improvements as customers of ESO, no matter how much time or money we spend. There's no pay to win here.

Not to pick one point out of what you said, because it was a lot and it all deserves a response, but since I’m at work and I saw a couple things stick out I want to tag on those briefly! I agree with most of your sentiment and it’s extremely disheartening when added with arbitrary garbage like the vma change to weapons that simply really only came through because of one egotistical developer lead, that confused many of us, but I disagree that we can’t head a change, and I know that most of us don’t completely leave the game when we quit or take breaks, also that voting with our wallets is really the only way to make any difference at all with a company that is showing they are not interested in what matters to their consumer!

virtus753

Attackopsn wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Umbro100 wrote: »

Obviously money is all they care about, so some people believe if they cancel their subscription, it will hurt enough to make them act and change things for the better. I am afraid they are wrong, it feels like they are letting it die, god knows why. Hope not though ....

It's a nice sentiment, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

If a product starts losing money, then a company will shift resources away from it and put them into something more profitable.... like an upcoming AAA title. The more people that bail on the game (or start spending less while still playing), the less they will invest into keeping it running.

Which puts us in a catch-22: If we stop paying/playing, then they pull resources and the game dies out. If we keep paying/playing, then they don't invest further resources because the message is that it's, well, if not fine, then at least fine enough. So really there's only sticking around while the game tries to stay afloat or bailing.

The ties that keep people playing tend to be very strong: the Elder Scrolls environment and lore, the desire for an "online RPG" (rather than a game that hews more closely to the generic MMO standard), the power fantasy inherent in video games, the escapism, the dopamine hits, the social connections and expectations, the FOMO - and of course the understandable, often extreme reluctance to walk away from the virtual reality that represents a very real investment of time; money; and mental, social, and emotional energy.

What's disheartening for me is that, despite all those draws, there doesn't seem to be light at the end of the tunnel for those of us who want to keep playing and even paying but who find that increasingly difficult to justify. They'll almost certainly clean up the worst of the latest crash bugs in the next month or two, but this is just another in a long line of updates wherein major fundamental things break and have to be fixed. Frankly it's exhausting watching a game with such potential struggle so immensely with the task of living up to it.

And while on the technical front the game may in large part be "laboring under its own magnitude" (I won't say "greatness"), to borrow a phrase, what particularly baffles and discourages me are the completely arbitrary decisions that significantly reduce player morale (e.g. vet arena weapons, Rapids, recent changes to Cyro) dumped on us in the midst of these massive technical difficulties. Surely a company, no matter how profit-minded, doesn't stand to benefit from alienating consumers by implementing and attempting to defend such decisions amidst cycle after cycle of performance issues. And even if the next game they make doesn't have the same technical problems, who's to say it won't suffer from the same approach?

Ultimately the fact of the matter is that we can't drive improvements as customers of ESO, no matter how much time or money we spend. There's no pay to win here.

Not to pick one point out of what you said, because it was a lot and it all deserves a response, but since I’m at work and I saw a couple things stick out I want to tag on those briefly! I agree with most of your sentiment and it’s extremely disheartening when added with arbitrary garbage like the vma change to weapons that simply really only came through because of one egotistical developer lead, that confused many of us, but I disagree that we can’t head a change, and I know that most of us don’t completely leave the game when we quit or take breaks, also that voting with our wallets is really the only way to make any difference at all with a company that is showing they are not interested in what matters to their consumer!

We can only hope... but that’s really hard at the moment.

Sephyr

Attackopsn wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Things have just unhinged.

Before I rant, run my opinion into the dirt, or put negative energy into the room, I want to say that I care about the game. I remember being young and playing games like Morrowind and Oblivion and just hoping they took that world into the genre of something like RuneScape or World of Warcraft, which felt massive and overwhelming at the time.

I remember ESO being announced, and waiting years for it to be released, poking around in the beta at a friends house, and overlooking all the bugs for something I probably spent a decade just crossing my fingers to see come to fruition. Even counting down the final five seconds on the release screen with friends in a PSN party chat who were all eager to hop into this incredible game.

Things were never perfect, the game always had problems, but I think any veteran player will agree that we all just rolled with the punches, it was a big game, things were often rocky, but we all cared about it and stuck with it.

This last update is so different from iterations of the game when random bugs came to light that allowed people to desync people with emotes, or get into keeps, or even slay zergs and dungeons with camohunter. This last update had issues that were documented before release, widely known before release, acknowledged early within the PTS cycle, and then still released with the issues unchanged months later.

Some issues only relevant to end game such as minor slayer, some issues detracted enjoyment from a major portion of the player base such as the issues with light attacks in relation to their subsequent casted ability, some just blatantly surfaced as an extreme increase in error screens and performance drops within all areas of the game, not just the nearly unplayable performance wreck that is cyrodiil, ironically in a year named for performance fixes.

I’ve ran through the motions with this game from the very beginning, and I’ve seen problems arise, be frustrating, persist for too long and eventually receive a fix, etc, but this was just plainly disrespectful to your players.

As a player, you should feel disrespected, treated like your experience is unimportant as long as your money keeps coming in by a company that blatantly ignored bug reports and is not interested in solving performance issues.

Supporting this game with any money until that mistreatment is acknowledged is simply disrespectful to you, the player.
If we just allow this to happen in Markarth, expect this to happen in the future too.

If you really care about this game, cancel your sub, don’t buy any crowns, enough is enough.

Frankly I no longer pay to play this game. They broke trust a long time ago!

Same. Until they open communication, do a forum moderator audit due to the lack of consistency when enforcing the TOS, and fix the game? Most of my long-term guilds have been shifting to other games more deserving of the money.

I’ve seen many quality players who were consistent from day one, even more than myself, completely leave this game than any update ever that I have actively played. It sucks to watch because as I’m sure a lot of others would agree this game was so memorable and even important to many people🤕

Oh yeah. It sucks to watch, but ultimately this is what happens when community managers stop being the bridge between the community and the brand. It's just more broken promises and I'm just done validating this abusive relationship. So I'm no longer paying for the game. I'll log in for friends until we all find a different MMO. If the game dies out? That's their problem. They made their bed and I'm not going to feel one bit guilty if they don't want to fix what they broke.

Mrs_Malaka

WeerW3ir wrote: »

i do feel disrespected indeed. the current state of the game and the forums are absolute sad. the story and the dlc set up is 1-1 copie of the elsweyr. just not with dragons, but rather vampires.

Elsweyr.:
A bad guy trying to use a secret power to defeat tamriel.
You stop his plan with a help from unexpected allies.
He escapes into next zone.
He tries the same once again.
You defeat his new and old ally.
At the end you save the day, but he still manage to escape.
Your allies/besties asking you to wait.
They contact you. "It is time"
You finaly catch the bad boy and defeat him. you save the day.

Greymoor.:
A bad guy trying to use a secret power to defeat tamriel.
You stop his plan with a help from unexpected allies.
He escapes into next zone.
He tries the same once again.
You defeat his new and old ally.
At the end you save the day, but he still manage to escape.
Your allies/besties asking you to wait.
They contact you. "It is time"
You finaly catch the bad boy and defeat him. you save the day.

About the forum. Id really like to complain. id really...
but the forum staff disrecpects me

Ya. The forum moderators are super heavy handed with snipping and editing and removing comments that are speaking the truth about the game. Or if a person posting something that is just crap and you call that person out you get warned and your comments removed. Annoying. They can have fun though, cuz this isn't the only major place people go to find out the state of eso. Ha ha ha :P

Sephyr

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

i do feel disrespected indeed. the current state of the game and the forums are absolute sad. the story and the dlc set up is 1-1 copie of the elsweyr. just not with dragons, but rather vampires.

Elsweyr.:
A bad guy trying to use a secret power to defeat tamriel.
You stop his plan with a help from unexpected allies.
He escapes into next zone.
He tries the same once again.
You defeat his new and old ally.
At the end you save the day, but he still manage to escape.
Your allies/besties asking you to wait.
They contact you. "It is time"
You finaly catch the bad boy and defeat him. you save the day.

Greymoor.:
A bad guy trying to use a secret power to defeat tamriel.
You stop his plan with a help from unexpected allies.
He escapes into next zone.
He tries the same once again.
You defeat his new and old ally.
At the end you save the day, but he still manage to escape.
Your allies/besties asking you to wait.
They contact you. "It is time"
You finaly catch the bad boy and defeat him. you save the day.

About the forum. Id really like to complain. id really...
but the forum staff disrecpects me

Ya. The forum moderators are super heavy handed with snipping and editing and removing comments that are speaking the truth about the game. Or if a person posting something that is just crap and you call that person out you get warned and your comments removed. Annoying. They can have fun though, cuz this isn't the only major place people go to find out the state of eso. Ha ha ha :P

I've been trying to report @ZOS_GinaBruno for weeks now that the moderation staff is in need of a moderation performance audit and it goes ignored, even though she said herself to report mods and moderation issues TO her. It's blatantly obvious that the Report button is being abused, yet the moderation staff is not only seemingly endorsing this practice - they're not even moderating the threads consistently for baiting terms (I still see people using L2P, using "you didn't read the thread", yet I've got screenshots that these are against the TOS). An audit on forum moderation performance is needed and it's just another thing that I feel she lied about (with reporting these issues to her and she'd do something about them).

WeerW3ir

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

i do feel disrespected indeed. the current state of the game and the forums are absolute sad. the story and the dlc set up is 1-1 copie of the elsweyr. just not with dragons, but rather vampires.

Elsweyr.:
A bad guy trying to use a secret power to defeat tamriel.
You stop his plan with a help from unexpected allies.
He escapes into next zone.
He tries the same once again.
You defeat his new and old ally.
At the end you save the day, but he still manage to escape.
Your allies/besties asking you to wait.
They contact you. "It is time"
You finaly catch the bad boy and defeat him. you save the day.

Greymoor.:
A bad guy trying to use a secret power to defeat tamriel.
You stop his plan with a help from unexpected allies.
He escapes into next zone.
He tries the same once again.
You defeat his new and old ally.
At the end you save the day, but he still manage to escape.
Your allies/besties asking you to wait.
They contact you. "It is time"
You finaly catch the bad boy and defeat him. you save the day.

About the forum. Id really like to complain. id really...
but the forum staff disrecpects me

Ya. The forum moderators are super heavy handed with snipping and editing and removing comments that are speaking the truth about the game. Or if a person posting something that is just crap and you call that person out you get warned and your comments removed. Annoying. They can have fun though, cuz this isn't the only major place people go to find out the state of eso. Ha ha ha :P

i like your name. Kassandra intensifies. eh? :P
Also yes. i approve you 1000% !!!
but if i mention anything, im getting warned. i mean. where is that fair? ...

SteveCampsOut

Attackopsn wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Things have just unhinged.

[snip]

If you really care about this game, cancel your sub, don’t buy any crowns, enough is enough.

Frankly I no longer pay to play this game. They broke trust a long time ago!

Same. Until they open communication, do a forum moderator audit due to the lack of consistency when enforcing the TOS, and fix the game? Most of my long-term guilds have been shifting to other games more deserving of the money.

I’ve seen many quality players who were consistent from day one, even more than myself, completely leave this game than any update ever that I have actively played. It sucks to watch because as I’m sure a lot of others would agree this game was so memorable and even important to many people🤕

For the record, I haven't left the game. I just no longer sub to it. if I want a Chapter or DLC I will buy it, if not I will play it during any free eso+ weeks they give us.

Kurat

The thing is that it's a business and the purpose of a business is to make money. 90% of the player base doesn't do dungeons/trials or pvp. Those are the problem areas. Majority of players are just casuals who like to hang and chat in cities, do quests, housing, RP etc. Its just a social platform for most. They also buy stuff from crown store and sub. Its understandable that Zos focuses to areas where money is.
Most people don't find anything wrong with the game, in fact the opposite, they think its perfect. Only people who are or try to be competitive have issues with the game. And that's a very small %.

linuxlady

Kurat wrote: »

The thing is that it's a business and the purpose of a business is to make money. 90% of the player base doesn't do dungeons/trials or pvp. Those are the problem areas. Majority of players are just casuals who like to hang and chat in cities, do quests, housing, RP etc. Its just a social platform for most. They also buy stuff from crown store and sub. Its understandable that Zos focuses to areas where money is.
Most people don't find anything wrong with the game, in fact the opposite, they think its perfect. Only people who are or try to be competitive have issues with the game. And that's a very small %.

this isnt even close to the truth. I am not at all competitive and really i find it difficult many days just to complete crafting dailies with the d/c's and crashes... and really, just doing dungeons and delves i often crash to desktop. It's sad.

WeerW3ir

Kurat wrote: »

The thing is that it's a business and the purpose of a business is to make money. 90% of the player base doesn't do dungeons/trials or pvp. Those are the problem areas. Majority of players are just casuals who like to hang and chat in cities, do quests, housing, RP etc. Its just a social platform for most. They also buy stuff from crown store and sub. Its understandable that Zos focuses to areas where money is.
Most people don't find anything wrong with the game, in fact the opposite, they think its perfect. Only people who are or try to be competitive have issues with the game. And that's a very small %.

Oh, if the crown store content would be good... I miss the unique items, the new hairs, the unique personalities or skins. Now every content like that is crown crate exclusive, and sadly you must gamble for them. The rest of the content is an Xth version of something.

Players were asking for new hairs and personalities since loooong. They still not have added them. Just rarely one in every 2nd crate season. Now they have added the house guests. The house guests cannot sit and most of them are just having one liners. Thats kinda dissapointing.

Hurbster

Swaye wrote: »

I couldn't agree with you more OP.
As a pure healing/support templar this game became unplayable for me in Cyro, as a result I unsubscribed and haven't been back since the patch.
And then I did the unthinkable....
I renewed my WoW subscription after 6ish years and bought the Shadowlands expansion.
I haven't crashed once and I can heal my alliance.
I should add that I'm not happy about this as I miss my friends, the ones that are left anyway and I've had countless memorable experiences.
With every patch/update/test, ZOS just go ahead and prove that they really don't give a &^%$ about their paying customers.

Yeah, I've not played retail since Cata, got the bug again during the pre-patch, got a couple of characters geared up.

Didn't want to leave ESO at all, got many friends in various guilds I was in but all the bad stuff in ESO got too much, so I left.

Been playing ESO for so long I forgot what it's like when everything just...works.

And my pally is in full-plate with no...flaps.

FangOfTheTwoMoons

Hopefully more players leave and cancel their subs.

It's sad too, ESO is such a fun game. If it worked all the time it would be really good.

Personally, I don't think ZOS is even trying their hardest to fix the big issues. They have the money, if they really wanted the game to run smooth it would be.

The performance in all aspects of the game is s joke. Cyrodiil has been in shambles for so many years now. It's a spit in our faces that it isn't fixed.

Thechuckage

Attackopsn wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Things have just unhinged.

Before I rant, run my opinion into the dirt, or put negative energy into the room, I want to say that I care about the game. I remember being young and playing games like Morrowind and Oblivion and just hoping they took that world into the genre of something like RuneScape or World of Warcraft, which felt massive and overwhelming at the time.

I remember ESO being announced, and waiting years for it to be released, poking around in the beta at a friends house, and overlooking all the bugs for something I probably spent a decade just crossing my fingers to see come to fruition. Even counting down the final five seconds on the release screen with friends in a PSN party chat who were all eager to hop into this incredible game.

Things were never perfect, the game always had problems, but I think any veteran player will agree that we all just rolled with the punches, it was a big game, things were often rocky, but we all cared about it and stuck with it.

This last update is so different from iterations of the game when random bugs came to light that allowed people to desync people with emotes, or get into keeps, or even slay zergs and dungeons with camohunter. This last update had issues that were documented before release, widely known before release, acknowledged early within the PTS cycle, and then still released with the issues unchanged months later.

Some issues only relevant to end game such as minor slayer, some issues detracted enjoyment from a major portion of the player base such as the issues with light attacks in relation to their subsequent casted ability, some just blatantly surfaced as an extreme increase in error screens and performance drops within all areas of the game, not just the nearly unplayable performance wreck that is cyrodiil, ironically in a year named for performance fixes.

I’ve ran through the motions with this game from the very beginning, and I’ve seen problems arise, be frustrating, persist for too long and eventually receive a fix, etc, but this was just plainly disrespectful to your players.

As a player, you should feel disrespected, treated like your experience is unimportant as long as your money keeps coming in by a company that blatantly ignored bug reports and is not interested in solving performance issues.

Supporting this game with any money until that mistreatment is acknowledged is simply disrespectful to you, the player.
If we just allow this to happen in Markarth, expect this to happen in the future too.

If you really care about this game, cancel your sub, don’t buy any crowns, enough is enough.

Frankly I no longer pay to play this game. They broke trust a long time ago!

I was at a point where I was just subbing for quality of life reasons personally. Unsubbing felt more like it was out of principle. I just can’t support a company that pushes content like this, and I feel bad for any developer on that team who genuinely tries and gets throttled into an executive movement to push out unfinished content.

I’m positive that the two biggest reasons we are at this point have to do mainly with the heavy content schedule and the stadia changes.

Outside of the major issues, just about every area of game performance is severely diminished, and it shows!

To add to your statement,

Subbing at this point (for me at least) is akin to a gambler knowing that the next toss of the dice is sure to give you the big win. Or staying in the abuse relationship. "It'll be better this time." There's a saying about Vegas - The House always wins. At some point each individual needs to look at what they are spending money/time on. If it is worthwhile, then have at it. Frankly, ESO is worth of neither. And it used to be.

I think it less anger at was is and instead anger at realized and future potential lost.

Pauls

Is it even possible that someone would sue company for bad experience with game related to its performance or such things always covered by TOS?

Knockmaker

That's what I am also curious about. No agreement can be one-sided in terms of responsibilities. But, I am sure to hear a "stop playing, then" type of response, if someone were to push it in that direction.

Kurat

Pauls wrote: »

Is it even possible that someone would sue company for bad experience with game related to its performance or such things always covered by TOS?

Knockmaker wrote: »

That's what I am also curious about. No agreement can be one-sided in terms of responsibilities. But, I am sure to hear a "stop playing, then" type of response, if someone were to push it in that direction.

Lmao

Can you sue the movie company or theater if the movie sucked?

cave_troll

Kurat wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

Is it even possible that someone would sue company for bad experience with game related to its performance or such things always covered by TOS?

Knockmaker wrote: »

That's what I am also curious about. No agreement can be one-sided in terms of responsibilities. But, I am sure to hear a "stop playing, then" type of response, if someone were to push it in that direction.

Lmao

Can you sue the movie company or theater if the movie sucked?

Well If half of the movie wouldn't work because of technical issues and If your money wouldn't be refunded then YES

Edit: hmm but I guess you would sue the cinema in this case 😛

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

I feel like getting my money back for the past 2 years honestly.

TineaCruris

Jaraal wrote: »

Umbro100 wrote: »

Obviously money is all they care about, so some people believe if they cancel their subscription, it will hurt enough to make them act and change things for the better. I am afraid they are wrong, it feels like they are letting it die, god knows why. Hope not though ....

It's a nice sentiment, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

If a product starts losing money, then a company will shift resources away from it and put them into something more profitable.... like an upcoming AAA title. The more people that bail on the game (or start spending less while still playing), the less they will invest into keeping it running.

It has not worked out the way you are asserting. Many of us have sunk literally thousands of dollars into this game already. ZOS has already gotten our money and then a stupid amount more of our money. ZOS stopped delivering a quality product well over a year ago in spite of our ridiculous financial support. ZOS already has our money, and lots of it. ZOS appears to have walked away from supporting this game anyway.

TineaCruris

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I feel like getting my money back for the past 2 years honestly.

Agreed. It's been nothing but false promises for over two years now. It looks like the performance tests were just a distraction when they already knew exactly what actions they were going to take to keep their game running on sub-par servers.

Shantu

Kurat wrote: »

The thing is that it's a business and the purpose of a business is to make money. 90% of the player base doesn't do dungeons/trials or pvp. Those are the problem areas. Majority of players are just casuals who like to hang and chat in cities, do quests, housing, RP etc. Its just a social platform for most. They also buy stuff from crown store and sub. Its understandable that Zos focuses to areas where money is.
Most people don't find anything wrong with the game, in fact the opposite, they think its perfect. Only people who are or try to be competitive have issues with the game. And that's a very small %.

Pretty much says it all.

coletas

i really want to see those responsibles career after Microsoft take control

Zorbar

This is my last month subbing and spending any additional money on the game. I don’t think those running the show are capable of fixing things given how severely compromised the game has become. There’s certainly been no communication addressing the overall state of the game.

I have great memories and lots of time spent, but I believe we’re watching the beginning of the end here. It was a fun ride while it lasted and a shame better talent and more resources couldn’t be found to shore this thing up.

WeerW3ir

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I feel like getting my money back for the past 2 years honestly.

Make it 6

Universe

I cancelled my ESO plus as well because of the constant downhill state of the game(awful performance, poor combat balance in PVP & PVE, crashes etc...).
I have plenty of crowns if I will ever want buy other DLCs in the future, but I doubt I will ever use them because of the current & constant state of the game(unless ZOS will figure out how to fix it).

I'm barely logging to ESO anymore, maybe once per month or less for some questing and nostalgia.
It is unfortunate... ESO was my favorite game for years.
I mainly play other game now, for respect of this forum & developers I won't mention it by name in a public post.

Hopefully, ZOS will figure out what to do to improve ESO, but I no longer have the faith I used to have.