It's official, healers can be *** too!

SickleCider

I really can't stand PUGs. My sorc is DPS-y and survivable enough that he can carry more weight than he probably ought to, so I haven't been yelled at in a PUG in a long time, but I can't stand seeing people abuse others. I usually run dungeons with a friend or two instead.

Something to keep in mind, based on observation. There are of course the elitist "pros," but nine times out of ten it's someone that knows they aren't pulling their own weight and they're deflecting. When you're comfortable in your own role you don't feel so threatened by other peoples' performance.

mairwen85

The only time I turn toxic healer is when people expect me to heal stupid and make a lot of noise about it while doing baby dps. I don't mind low dps groups, as long as we can just get on with the dungeon. I don't mind messy groups, as long as people are trying. I don't mind a little bit of attitude or frustration when stuff goes sideways. I do mind when all those things combine and people put the blame solely on the healer. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it leaves a pretty nasty taste in the mouth.

Drdeath20

I can be both patient and obnoxious with others. Every situation is different and my mood and civility towards others is subjective. It takes alot for me to call out the tank but some people need to be called out for their 7k dps. I'd like to think i act accordingly , especially when i lash out but in reality im only human.

Soo i can relate to the healer in your scenario. Get into an awful group and already being in a bad mood can sometimes put anyone over the top. Why are people mean? Its anonymous, they are already in a bad mood, little man syndrome, impatient, etc..idk take your pick.

oddbasket

Regardless of any role, if someone is unbearable, I'll leave depending on how long or tedious I'd expect the dungeon to be, and I won't be sorry to the other 2 who have to suffer him, since it usually doesn't take long to get a replacement, but I won't waste my time to suffer through a bad experience, and then maybe have to think about it after.

FrancisCrawford

I very rarely have toxic-player problems, just the casual rudeness of people who don't communicate at all, or who aren't qualified for their roles, or who are too demanding of and unappreciateive of loot.

But then, I'm usually the healer, and I've usually queued for a specific dungeon, no harder than vWGT/vICP.

Sometimes I'm utterly carrying the group, healing folks who really need it and doing >60% of DPS myself. Other times I do <15% of DPS and everybody is self-healing, making me the low-value baggage.

I roll with it either way.

idk

A couple of years ago, we had a fake healer. Fortunately, we were only doing normally Cradle of Shadows, and most of us had clear vet HM without a healer, so we did not need one for normal.

We did not kick them because they were a fake healer. They started acting like a jerk. I merely suggested they chill out to no avail. We were about to kick just before Velidreth when the fake healer initiated a vote to kick me. Lol. In turn, we vote kicked him.

The attempt at hate whispers was quite entertaining. It really showed their intelligence.

It is best to wait until the end of the dungeon. It does matter if it is a random run or a pledge; they just wasted a lot of time.

CrimsonGTX

MirandaSharp wrote: »

CrimsonGTX wrote: »

Each role can have toxic players I don't really come across such toxic players when on my main DPS or alt DPS. But when I'm on my Healer I come across more a--hole tanks who either instantly dip on the group or get toxic with DPS.

-Weired... I main a tank and I tough it out with whatever I get in my pug. Most pugs have enough dps if they work together and just dump the damage where it needs to go.. Mechanics is usually the big pug-breaker, not dps..

I found it weird myself I've encounter that only playing a healer. My guess was that those Tanks just seen players around 400-500CP and instantly decided they couldn't get carried. The dungeons from what I remember was vTempest Island(multiple times) & vFalkreath Hold, the group ended completing them easily and even cruised to do HM in vFH....so no complaints on my end lol.

dcam86b14_ESO

I'm a healer and I'm never like this. I will either leave or vote kick but most times will just leave if people have a bad attitude and want to share it.

shadyjane62

People is why I play solo.

itsJylerTAG

Honestly, the only time a healer should be giving others hell is when they're blatantly ignoring the mechanics of the dungeon they're in. That being said if the healer doesn't like it, they're always free to leave and find another group. Honestly, the way i see it, is being an ass takes too much effort and gets no one anywhere good. Next time it happens, kick them and move on.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

itsJylerTAG wrote: »

Honestly, the way i see it, is being an ass takes too much effort and gets no one anywhere good.

If only more people saw it that way, humanity would not have any of the problems we are facing today. Sadly, that kind of people exist, and they make it into games. My way of dealing with them is to ignore them. In a game, you can do that. In the real world, not so much, but I do not play this game to simulate reality. I play it to escape for a while and have fun with friends and the majority of random people who choose to be nice.

Stanx

A more accurate title would be: "A-holes can be healers, too!"

MirandaSharp

Stanx wrote: »

A more accurate title would be: "A-holes can be healers, too!"

Heh! Yeah, I was just so astonished that someone would queue as a healer and behave like that. It's just so un-healy....

Muttsmutt

shoulda told him to git gud and start dpsing.
if he wasn't dpsing as healer in a random, he was at fault too.

Doc45

I would never criticize a newer healer for not adding to dps in a random. If they show up to heal and can only do low dps, they're still fulfilling their role. I put on dps gear for randoms most of the time (and often do over 50% of the damage), but that shouldn't be an expectation. A healer doing dps can go the other way as well. I remember a time getting FG1 as a random normal and a dd getting pretty hostile because I wasn't slotting skills/sets to maximize buffs while they were posting their dps constantly in group chat (in FG1, random normal, pug) while chastising the other dd. Depending on the group/dungeon, I'll switch out skills/gear once I see how things are going, but I wouldn't expect an inexperienced player to do the same. With pugs, you just never know what to expect, but as long as everyone's there to have fun as a group, there are very rarely problems. The 1% or so of the time someone's being toxic, I'll vote to kick and leave if it doesn't go through. I've had quite a few newer players thank me for teaching them about the vote to kick option.

Odovacar

I used to run with a healer (just so happened to be a healer but can be any role ofc) in a trials guild a few years back that was always bad mouthing everyone. He was good but never knew when to keep his mouth shut and single handedly destroyed our entire raid guild.

Mike0987

While attempting vet dungeon yesterday and when he did stay alive for more than 3 seconds one of our healers simply t-bagged me instead of rezzing me.

Then he started in on the tank and how trashy they were yet the tank held his own on a glitched out boss for over 10 minutes while rezzing people. After a while of that he was finally kicked. luckily he did not have crown...

MirandaSharp

Mike0987 wrote: »

While attempting vet dungeon yesterday and when he did stay alive for more than 3 seconds one of our healers simply t-bagged me instead of rezzing me.

Then he started in on the tank and how trashy they were yet the tank held his own on a glitched out boss for over 10 minutes while rezzing people. After a while of that he was finally kicked. luckily he did not have crown...

Sounds like you may have gotten the same A-hole healer as we got in our pug

DMuehlhausen

MirandaSharp wrote: »

We've all had the odd DD elitist in our pugs shouting at everyone not doing their job etc.. But never(in ~1year) have I experienced a healer badmouthing the dps and tank. Healers are usually the most supportive players giving all help and advice they can to the group.

Today in my daily random we got a healer constantly complaining about how sh*tty we were and how bad we s*ck... Our group were otherwise very nice to each other while we held our noses, gritted our teeth and ignored his insults and tried helping each other. My impression of our healer was that of someone only there to farm gear to use in PvP and he couldn't care less about PvE or pugging. He kept yapping about how he wants this or that piece of gear while treating us like sh*t.
End of run I told him he won't get anything from me because of his bad behavior. Afterwards I'm thinking we should have kicked the guy instead of tolerating him freeloading his gear farming on our group. What do you think? Would you have kicked him?

Guess you're new to MMOs...tanks and healers use to be the worst people. Cause you had to have them. Even the biggest *** on a server in EQ would easily get a group cause you had to have one for certain content.

ForeverJenn

Yeah. Bad players hold their noses, grit their teeth, and ignore when someone legit tries to tell them how to be better too, tho....I once got kicked by a tank and two dps for merely telling the 11k health tank that he did, in fact, queue as tank and could not get us through bloodroot forge (after coming in as a replacement to the first healer they prob kicked). I guess it works all ways.

MirandaSharp

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Yeah. Bad players hold their noses, grit their teeth, and ignore when someone legit tries to tell them how to be better too, tho....I once got kicked by a tank and two dps for merely telling the 11k health tank that he did, in fact, queue as tank and could not get us through bloodroot forge (after coming in as a replacement to the first healer they prob kicked). I guess it works all ways.

As long as you use proper language and try to be factual I won't mind someone pointing things out. The healer in our pug used profanity to an exponential level calling people all sorts of names that I can't mention here for risk of being banned from the forum.

El_Borracho

Haven't voted to kick a lot of people in my ESO career. Typically its for stuff like queueing into a group and not moving away from the entrance or a tank being too fake for the content (a sliding scale that goes from FG1 to LOM)

However, I have voted to kick players like this on occasion. Because its above and beyond being critical of someone's play, fairly or unfairly. Its being a jackhole. Fortunately, I have only run into 4-5 of them over the 3 years I have played this game.

Drdeath20

Playing as a healer blows. Good healing means what you have done is barely noticed. Your wearing sets to help buff the dps up. Your using skills to help buff the dps up and when ever somebody dies they always secretly and sometimes not soo secretly blame you.

Some of you have must have never had the pleasure of being dropped into an awful vet PUG. After 2 or 3 consecutive bad groups in the activity finder im sure most would start to get impatient too.

Like why are you que'ing up as a dps in vet activity finder when you are a CP 200.

SteveCampsOut

MirandaSharp wrote: »

We've all had the odd DD elitist in our pugs shouting at everyone not doing their job etc.. But never(in ~1year) have I experienced a healer badmouthing the dps and tank. Healers are usually the most supportive players giving all help and advice they can to the group.

Today in my daily random we got a healer constantly complaining about how [snip] we were and how bad we s*ck... Our group were otherwise very nice to each other while we held our noses, gritted our teeth and ignored his insults and tried helping each other. My impression of our healer was that of someone only there to farm gear to use in PvP and he couldn't care less about PvE or pugging. He kept yapping about how he wants this or that piece of gear while treating us like [snip]
End of run I told him he won't get anything from me because of his bad behavior. Afterwards I'm thinking we should have kicked the guy instead of tolerating him freeloading his gear farming on our group. What do you think? Would you have kicked him?

[Edited to remove Profanity]

I just put them on ignore and continue with the dungeon til the group falls apart or we finish.

CrimsonGTX

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Playing as a healer blows. Good healing means what you have done is barely noticed. Your wearing sets to help buff the dps up. Your using skills to help buff the dps up and when ever somebody dies they always secretly and sometimes not soo secretly blame you.

Some of you have must have never had the pleasure of being dropped into an awful vet PUG. After 2 or 3 consecutive bad groups in the activity finder im sure most would start to get impatient too.

Like why are you que'ing up as a dps in vet activity finder when you are a CP 200.

Low CP does not mean "no experience", this should be known by now. There are many experienced vet players who port over to a different platforms/servers. At lower CP the lack of mitigation is probably more noticeable than damage...at least it was for me when I ported over to PC.