1vX - How? (PvP)

StaticWave

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

Yea imagine hiding in stealth for the majority of the fight and spam cloak when you get pressured. That's very fun gameplay indeed

oXI_Viper_IXo

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Grianasteri

StaticWave wrote: »

Yea imagine hiding in stealth for the majority of the fight and spam cloak when you get pressured. That's very fun gameplay indeed

Im sensing that you dont like being bow ganked. Thats fine, you do you... and I'll keep ganking you, cos its fun
.

Grianasteri

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

StaticWave

Grianasteri wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Yea imagine hiding in stealth for the majority of the fight and spam cloak when you get pressured. That's very fun gameplay indeed

Im sensing that you dont like being bow ganked. Thats fine, you do you... and I'll keep ganking you, cos its fun
.

You can try. I'll watch you die to your own toxic barrage with shield ult

West93

There is no honor in running away and LOS in a 1v1 because that is just stalling a fight.

If getting xv1'ed they don't fight you with honor so not using LOS to your advantage is stupid.

Also it depends which class are you playing.

On my stamcro I can tank multiple players with mortal coil + malubeth till I get ulti to smack them.

But on my stamplar there is just no way to survive in open field taking damage from multiple opponents, need to kite and LOS and pick them 1 by 1.

WreckfulAbandon

West93 wrote: »

There is no honor in running away and LOS in a 1v1 because that is just stalling a fight.

Sorcs, Engine Guardian, and especially Engine Guardian wearing Sorcs say hi

West93

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

There is no honor in running away and LOS in a 1v1 because that is just stalling a fight.

Sorcs, Engine Guardian, and especially Engine Guardian wearing Sorcs say hi

Streak is used as a stun and moving around in dueling range distance is okay.

Engine guardian is cheese but if it's open world anything goes.

Literally running around tree or rock while at low health is just stalling a fight if you do 1v1.

huntgod_ESO

There is a tank build around reflecting damage that is VERY effective. If fighting guys who don't know what is happening it can be very easy to fight 1v4-5 and win, because the guys attacking are effectively killing themselves.

If you identify those guys you can either avoid them (because the build really only works when being attacked, it doesn't do much damage) or get em to dump resources and then kill them when they are empty.

BangX

1vx is easy nowadays, it doesn't take that much skill, just stack high health, health recovery, 1 defensive set and favorite proc set with malacath, easy, you've just become an immortal tank who can deal a lot of damage.

True 1vxing is dead since 2015, it actually required skill, we had players like sypherpk and KingRichard who never had to resort to using proc sets or heavy armor, just medium armor and pure stat builds.

You can blame ZOS for making heavy armor too strong while light armor and medium builds are inferior, also making proc sets not scale with offensive stats was a bad idea.

Artorias24

BangX wrote: »

1vx is easy nowadays, it doesn't take that much skill, just stack high health, health recovery, 1 defensive set and favorite proc set with malacath, easy, you've just become an immortal tank who can deal a lot of damage.

True 1vxing is dead since 2015, it actually required skill, we had players like sypherpk and KingRichard who never had to resort to using proc sets or heavy armor, just medium armor and pure stat builds.

You can blame ZOS for making heavy armor too strong while light armor and medium builds are inferior, also making proc sets not scale with offensive stats was a bad idea.

Sypherpk was in heavy armor in his magdk. Just saying

Artorias24

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

Jeremy

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

I think you are both right.

Exploit can legitimately be used to describe both situations.

West93

Jeremy wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

I think you are both right.

Exploit can legitimately be used to describe both situations.

Exploit is a cheat. Using LOS is working as intended.

oscarovegren

funny as this is just another version of the AA heavy set that has been in the game forever?

also im pretty sure most block tanks run battalion defender first, that above mentioned set is useless if your getting hit at any sort of range.

PvP players prefer crimson since it doesn require you to block, does damage which can be combined with ultimate dumps and have the potential to heal you for A LOT more in 1vX

StaticWave

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

Exploit: (in a video game) the use of a bug or flaw in game design to a player’s advantage or to the disadvantage of other players.

oscarovegren

For 1vX some things is very important:
1. I need a build which allows me to pick when I fight and when I leave the fight
Mist form for mag, image for NB and streak for sorcs is abilities for this

2. I need to be able LoS and fight one enemy at a time unless you have a great AoE burst combination ready with your ultimate (stamden, stamdk, stamcro, magcro and magden can wipe a greedy small group with AoE burst)

3. Buff/Debuff coverage for both mitigate damage, buff healing, buff damage and debuff enemies.

4. Be able to take a enemy from full to 0 health within seconds to not giving them a chance to recover (NBs, stamdens and stamcros strength)

5. Enough healing/mitigation/sustain to stay in the fight. backbar procsets as crimson, surge, daedric trickery, lich, warlock, armor master and crest helps with this one

hakan

StaticWave wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

Yea imagine hiding in stealth for the majority of the fight and spam cloak when you get pressured. That's very fun gameplay indeed

imagine thinking cloak is a spammable.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

now LoS is an exploit? what else left in the game? is pressing W an exploit too?

the fact that you complain about these shows what type of player you are lol.

mb10

Most people just hop outside a keep, get 15 people to chase them
Run around a rock or tree for 1-2 mins, run sway far away, hope that only 2 CP134 and CP89 keep chasing you then kill them in their light PVE gear

That’s how it is

mairwen85

West93 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

I think you are both right.

Exploit can legitimately be used to describe both situations.

Exploit is a cheat. Using LOS is working as intended.

'Exploit' can mean to take advantage of or misuse something, but can also mean 'leverage', or to utilise to the fullest extent.

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/exploit

It has both positive and negative connotations depending on how it's used in a sentence. Its all about the context

gatekeeper13

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

i agree most bow ganks run when they see you or cloak and will never have a fair fight

Actually, that's what EVERY high lvl player I ve fought in Cyro does. Every single one of them I ve fought and had their health dropped to e.g 20%, they started running around trees, rocks, walls, going up-down stairs etc

Grianasteri

StaticWave wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Yea imagine hiding in stealth for the majority of the fight and spam cloak when you get pressured. That's very fun gameplay indeed

Im sensing that you dont like being bow ganked. Thats fine, you do you... and I'll keep ganking you, cos its fun
.

You can try. I'll watch you die to your own toxic barrage with shield ult

People I gank are generally dead before I need any ulti ;-)

Jeremy

West93 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

I think you are both right.

Exploit can legitimately be used to describe both situations.

Exploit is a cheat. Using LOS is working as intended.

There are different ways you can use the word exploit.

One is to make full use of the resources available to you. That seems to be the way Grianasteri is using it.

Another is to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system. That seems to be the way Artorias is using it.

That's why I said they're both right, and neither one of them are wrong. They're just using the word in different ways and talking past one another.

Grianasteri

To @Artorias24 and all the other folk experiencing discomfort over the use of a word they dont like...

Artorias24 wrote: »

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

Here is a list of definitions for the word "exploit", enjoy.

"to make full use of and derive benefit from"

"to make productive use of"

"to use something in a way that helps you"

"to use something for your own benefit"

"to get value or use from"

"to take advantage of something"

I mean I could go on, there are loads more. What a pedantic argument over the use of a word. Perhaps some 1vXers are just a little touchy.

West93

mairwen85 wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

The fact that you refer to using LoS as an exploit is very telling as to what type of player you are.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what type of player I am? Id genuinely be interested to know?

Of course its an exploit, by its very definition the 1vXer is exploiting a game mechanics to their advantage, bravo them, its part of the game. Just as I exploit a game mechanics to hit like a truck from stealth with snipe, bravo me, its part of the game... doesnt stop people about it does it.

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

I think you are both right.

Exploit can legitimately be used to describe both situations.

Exploit is a cheat. Using LOS is working as intended.

'Exploit' can mean to take advantage of or misuse something, but can also mean 'leverage', or to utilise to the fullest extent.

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/exploit

It has both positive and negative connotations depending on how it's used in a sentence. Its all about the context

in MMO context exploiting means cheating which can lead to getting banned.

Using LOS is not a bug and not a cheat engine. It is gameplay mechanics, trees,rocks towers, pillars etc all are built for a reason in cyrodiil.

hakan

Grianasteri wrote: »

To @Artorias24 and all the other folk experiencing discomfort over the use of a word they dont like...

Artorias24 wrote: »

You need to learn the meaning of exploit man.

Using game mechanics to your Advantage is not an exploit.

Using the game or breaking the game in a way that is not intented. Thats an exploit. For example the exploit where you could get permanently the cowards gear buff without needing to sprint or wearing that Setup.

Here is a list of definitions for the word "exploit", enjoy.

"to make full use of and derive benefit from"

"to make productive use of"

"to use something in a way that helps you"

"to use something for your own benefit"

"to get value or use from"

"to take advantage of something"

I mean I could go on, there are loads more. What a pedantic argument over the use of a word. Perhaps some 1vXers are just a little touchy.

that "big brain" answer doesnt work here. sorry, you have to try harder.

in mmos people use it for unintended use of something.

relentless_turnip

Taking your foot off the pedal whilst playing Time Crisis is an exploit?!?

No wonder I always get frowns at the arcade...

In all seriousness the level of ridiculousness is sometimes off the chart on this forum, how can essentially ducking behind cover be an exploit?

This is a basic mechanic in just about every game right? Unless I have been exploiting my way through my gaming experiences? Come to think of it I may have moved out of the way once or twice whilst playing dodge ball... My god...

Joy_Division

To the OP: it boils tdown to a combination of the "1" players being better than the "X" and luck, circumstance, etc.

Easier in ESO, it was about 75/25 in favor of player skill. Now, due to ZOS's changes, it's probably the reverse, 25/75, and much more difficult..

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you. No. It's you'd rather not zerg down and dogpile players who you know at least try to fight out-numbered. It just happens that those players are typically better than most.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them. Well, yeah. Why would I as a single player look to fight multiple good players in a group? You might as well put on your list: "first, you equip armor..."

Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him. OK, this is correct. It's good strategy. If the good player is a templar, it's worth trying to kill them first though because 1) they too easily heal the weak player 2) class sucks atm.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone. Fight, no. It's very doable to fight that to a draw. Win? Definitely hard.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to control you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it. This I don't find to be accurate. The skills that "strike for more" - AoEs - are almost all inefficient to use in 1vX because the most efficient way to win is to individually burst down targets(as noted above, weak players first) and AoEs do not do that very well. Ball groups use AoEs because when used en masse, it overcomes the relative inefficiency of these skills. A sorcerer who tries to use Impulse to 1vX will 99/100 be on the X side of things.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc. I'm guessing you mean "near a." Yes, even the "X" players should make use of terrain to their advantage.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run. This worked in older metas. Now that ZOS has made offensive proc sets ridiculously powerful, it's better to load up on as many as possible (4 in fact)

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again. Correct, which is why cheap ulimates are much more valuable than expensive AoE ultimates.

...

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them That's not how I would describe it. Rather when you come across these no damage tank builds, it is preferable to maintain your sanity by finding a more interesting fight than willfully bang your head against the wall. Even if other players come, I will still leave because fighting that build is rubbish under any circumstance

...

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.
Pretty much buts that's more accurately described as bombing than 1vXing. 95/100 that's a kamikaze strike. 1vX seeks to survive the engagement.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Pvp can't be fixed nb's cloaking under mage light and reveal fire in less than a second, sorcs constanly streaking, damage output of skills in heavy armour way to high, ie: force pulse/ crushing shot 2100 per damage type so 6300 unbuffed, motlen whip 8k every class has the same, they need to do a damage reduction and to have a ramping damage cost depending on how many players on 1 person to stop the ball group farming 1 person at a time

Strider__Roshin

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Heavy armor, SnB, self sustain skills, and proc sets.

The circle that stayed with the guy was likely Grothdarr.

This.