1vX - How? (PvP)

Grandchamp1989

I've been getting back into PvP after a break and noticed some people can fight 2-3-4 people alone without barely taking damage.

How is this done?

How do you stay high health while everyone is beating you up while still dealing damage?

I also fought a guy who had a giant red circle under him which took a lot of damage when standing in it to fight him.. I think it may be a proc set? It followed him around.. Not sure which one?


Questions:
What sets do you recommend to 1vX ? (Warden and Necro specificly)
How do you keep your health up while dealing enough damage to finish players off when outnumbered? 3:1 ?
Tactics?

Mindcr0w

Heavy armor, SnB, self sustain skills, and proc sets.

The circle that stayed with the guy was likely Grothdarr.

Waffennacht

LoS (line of sight) you cant hit that which you cant target
Blocking (massive damage reduction)
Roll Dodge (window of invulnerability essentially)
HoTs (Artic blast, living trellis, passive healing via animal line passive)

If you were attacking me, I run SnB back bar, so if you're using spells I can reflect them with defensive posture. I can use the ult for 6+ seconds of massive damage reduction. Combined with HoTs and a spot heal ill go right back to full health.

Also if you're attacking me, you netter have either high damage or proc sets. Essentially if you're not running a dedicated PvP build you won't be dealing enough damage.

Without LoS a player has a hell of a time 1vX decent players

AyaDark

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Artorias24

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

AyaDark

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

I do not hate 1 vs X.
I really like bombers as example.

But i really do not like to run 30 minutes by one dude. If i will not be outnumbered I even may be kill him, but it is really not funny for me.

I see no honor in play like this.

A lot of 1 vs X is just like: i will run from you untill you go away, i only will try to kill low level players. If i see good one, i will run away for years.

I like when 2 big groups fight each other. When you do not run. Kill or be killed.
Protect some thing. I really do not like to run

I better die 20 times but kill some one with honor, then run and kill players with low level.

I even do not attack first those who are weaker than me. I feel my self uncomfortable if i do

Ectheliontnacil

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

Probably got 1vXed himself.

AyaDark

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

Probably got 1vXed himself.

My build is very hard to 1 vs X.

It have roots, stuns, a lot of damage in 28 meters range.

But i run slow and a lot of players in cyrodiil really hates me

But as example bombers kill me some times, but i think it is honorable play.

I just do not like when some runs and abuse geo data and ping lugs, dethinks and etc. Can not see any honor in running away

Zer0_CooL

Run, run, run, throw ulti execute combo, run, run, run, trow ulti execute combo, run, run, run... and so on.

All you need is movability, and hig spell-/weapon damage that grants a decent burst and heal. And ofcourse a group of potatoes, preferably low CP PvE players.

Ectheliontnacil

AyaDark wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

Probably got 1vXed himself.

My build is very hard to 1 vs X.

It have roots, stuns, a lot of damage in 28 meters range.

But i run slow and a lot of players in cyrodiil really hates me

But as example bombers kill me some times, but i think it is honorable play.

I just do not like when some runs and abuse geo data and ping lugs, dethinks and etc. Can not see any honor in running away

Alright. But to be fair, solo playing is one of the most frustrating experiences in pvp. You often need to ride long distances to chase fights and most of the time you just end up getting zerged... So try to empathize with those players.

Berchelous

Simple: Heavy Armor + Proc Sets + Malacath Band of Cheese + extra sauce necro or warden overtuned classes.

Yes, this is pvp nowadays.

relentless_turnip

I will recite something I said during the IC event when threads where made complaining about 1 v xers.

"No one accuses the Irish farmer of exploiting as he farms potatoes. Can the farmer farm 10 potatoes? Yes, he is a potato farmer and has learnt all there is to know about farming potatoes!
Can the potatoes farm the farmer? No they are potatoes. Can a farmer farm a farmer? Maybe, how about 2 farmers? Most likely!

The moral of the story is it's better to bring a potato farmer to a potato farming event and don't be upset if you are potato being farmed at a potato farming event."

Most the time you are killing people far less skilled than yourself. These are easily found in a pug and even more so in an event.

To add to what others have said, I have found it is largely controlling the fight and most importantly where the fight takes place. If you are outnumbered you make them come to you where you can LOS on command. You kite them until you are killing one at a time, pick your targets so you are taking out the squishiest first.

Wing

fight bad people.

literally what happens in every case of 1vX, they are bad players.

Artorias24

AyaDark wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

I do not hate 1 vs X.
I really like bombers as example.

But i really do not like to run 30 minutes by one dude. If i will not be outnumbered I even may be kill him, but it is really not funny for me.

I see no honor in play like this.

A lot of 1 vs X is just like: i will run from you untill you go away, i only will try to kill low level players. If i see good one, i will run away for years.

I like when 2 big groups fight each other. When you do not run. Kill or be killed.
Protect some thing. I really do not like to run

I better die 20 times but kill some one with honor, then run and kill players with low level.

I even do not attack first those who are weaker than me. I feel my self uncomfortable if i do

I wouldnt call bombing being a true 1vX playstyle.

But when i am solo and have 5 ppl on me that i can barely outheal i go kiting. Why stand open field and die? So i try to use the terrain to my advantage and get them in choke points or try to seperate them for a small Moment where i can try to finish someone.

No one is forcing you to chase one player for 10 minutes. Just stop if you get bored. And talking about "Honor". Where is the honor of chasing someone with 5+ ppl? If they are more, you have to think smart and using your terrain and defensive skills to survive and open a small window for a counter attack is indeed smart!

olsborg

Heavy armor+ crimson twilight+ unfathomable darkness+ malacath+ overtuned class such as stamden and stamcro. Add in malubeth and u cant die, but u have plenty dmg. Stupid.

novemberhhh

the big circle that eventually pops under most those blocky bois these days:

hakan

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

wait how did you get to that conclusion? i mean the guy has a broken english maybe i dont understand sth there but he explained how to 1vX in general, so how does he hate 1vXers?

TheRealDrRat

Sorc meta that's how.

AyaDark

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

Probably got 1vXed himself.

My build is very hard to 1 vs X.

It have roots, stuns, a lot of damage in 28 meters range.

But i run slow and a lot of players in cyrodiil really hates me

But as example bombers kill me some times, but i think it is honorable play.

I just do not like when some runs and abuse geo data and ping lugs, dethinks and etc. Can not see any honor in running away

Alright. But to be fair, solo playing is one of the most frustrating experiences in pvp. You often need to ride long distances to chase fights and most of the time you just end up getting zerged... So try to empathize with those players.

I can not get invite in groups and always run solo
Not becouse i want

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

I do not hate 1 vs X.
I really like bombers as example.

But i really do not like to run 30 minutes by one dude. If i will not be outnumbered I even may be kill him, but it is really not funny for me.

I see no honor in play like this.

A lot of 1 vs X is just like: i will run from you untill you go away, i only will try to kill low level players. If i see good one, i will run away for years.

I like when 2 big groups fight each other. When you do not run. Kill or be killed.
Protect some thing. I really do not like to run

I better die 20 times but kill some one with honor, then run and kill players with low level.

I even do not attack first those who are weaker than me. I feel my self uncomfortable if i do

I wouldnt call bombing being a true 1vX playstyle.

But when i am solo and have 5 ppl on me that i can barely outheal i go kiting. Why stand open field and die? So i try to use the terrain to my advantage and get them in choke points or try to seperate them for a small Moment where i can try to finish someone.

No one is forcing you to chase one player for 10 minutes. Just stop if you get bored. And talking about "Honor". Where is the honor of chasing someone with 5+ ppl? If they are more, you have to think smart and using your terrain and defensive skills to survive and open a small window for a counter attack is indeed smart!

It is true in some points, but some 1 vs X run away even 1 on 1 some times, and it is true that is uncomfartable to die, from 2-3-4-5 unkillable fat units, that just outnumber.

But for me is more simple to die than ran for 20 minutes from them. But both are solution.

I just do not like noob killers and just runners - 1 on 1 ? Do not catch me, i will do 20 rounds near tree 🎄 and than just run away

And it is true, when i see 1 vs X -> if in field - kill him, or 20 seconds run after tree and go away. It is boring, and not interesting to run after.

May be you see heavy attack lightning dude with chain - may be it is me

AyaDark

hakan wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

wait how did you get to that conclusion? i mean the guy has a broken english maybe i dont understand sth there but he explained how to 1vX in general, so how does he hate 1vXers?

I hate some part of them. Some just do not fight back, just run run run, kill only low CP and run, even 1 on 1 newer fight back if they see some danger.

I really do not like this type

And yes, my english is not really good, sorry for this

hakan

AyaDark wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

AyaDark wrote: »

The idea of 1 vs X is very simple:
1) You never fight with those, who play beter than you.
2) You look for good players in enemy group, and run from them.
Wait when some new players try to strike you and try to one shot them. Always run from good players and kill weak first.
Than try to kill good one 1 on 1, or run, untill friends come to help to outnumber him.

1 vs X is not that 1 kill X good fighters.
In reality it is impossible to fight against 2 good players if you are alone.

3) So we have 1 - 2 good players and 3-4 weak as example.
There are skills that heal more or strike more if they hit a lot of targets, you use them. So you charge your heal and damage with this 4 weak players, and always run.
Weak players will try to controll you, so it will be hard for good one make one shot combo, they can not stun you, when they need it.

4) Newer fight in field, always run near some stone, wall, tree 🎄 and etc.

About sets:
You get 1 protective set, that heals or regens you, and 1 proc set, that makes your attack do a lot of dps in small window.
It is hard to kill you, because you are fat, you regen when you run.

And when your dps window is ready, you try to kill enemy with ultimate as examle in this small window. Than run again.

I am not 1 vs X
Just as example, my build heals 4 k hp per second.
I do not use one shot combo, but i can do 5-7 k dps in standing target.

So if it will be 2 like me, we kill enemy in 2 - 3seconds (1 dethink = dead) It is not possible to fight 2 players like that
If you run, we can not do dps, so you heal more than we dps.

If you run near some stone asexample, we get lugs - so we can not hit you.

We try to use attack, server or ping is not perfect, so attack do not land, you run, we can not hit, becouse skills do not work. You get full HP, and try to one shot us.
If you do it is ok.

If you do not, run again.

Some builds is impossible to kill 1 on 1, so you run, untill you outnumber them

A lot of players will not run near stone (they know how, but they will not).
So they choose to die, not run vs X isabout to kill new players, not some good group.

The only one 1 vs X that can kill group is Mana bomber.

They use low level players to acamulate dps.

As example:

Group 6 players, 2 are good and 4 with low level.

You use sets that give you dps in small window as example:
Mechanikal Accuty, balorgh, some + to crit or dps and vicious death set.

You are in full dps mode and buffs.

In 5 seconds all your attacks are crits and do 1,5 dps of base.

Mana bomb that will hit 1 player in normal condition will do:
2 k damage, with all buffs and proc sets active 4 k damage.

With 5 more people 8 k damage.

You use it + ultimate (damage+ stun)+ some hard hitting strike.

24 k dps in me. But a lot of players are not as tanky.

And for them it will be 30 k as example.

If he die near me he deals me damage as example 5k. If 2 low level players die, 10 k dps from them will kill me.

So all 6 peoples are dead.

Low level players like to stuck on players, that they think are strong.

It makes them feel save.

So you kill the stronger one with them

The setslike this are: Azur blight, Vicious death, Dragonstar 2 handed and etc.

Kinda feels you hate players that 1vX.

wait how did you get to that conclusion? i mean the guy has a broken english maybe i dont understand sth there but he explained how to 1vX in general, so how does he hate 1vXers?

I hate some part of them. Some just do not fight back, just run run run, kill only low CP and run, even 1 on 1 newer fight back if they see some danger.

I really do not like this type

And yes, my english is not really good, sorry for this

no need to be sorry about it. anyway back to the topic: tbh honor is just a *** excuse for people that doesnt want to deal with stuff they just dont like. every play style is valid unless cheating.

and yeah at this point, even using bad server lag/deysnc to your advantage is valid too.

Wing

novemberhhh wrote: »

the big circle that eventually pops under most those blocky bois these days:

funny as this is just another version of the AA heavy set that has been in the game forever?

also im pretty sure most block tanks run battalion defender first, that above mentioned set is useless if your getting hit at any sort of range.

Grianasteri

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

Artorias24

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

Yes, winning a 5v1 is definetly boring cause its super easy and not a challange at all.

But sniping and dropping a bow ult on someone that is already fighting outnumbered is clearly a satisfying tactic.


..... The attitude of some ppl.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

Yes, winning a 5v1 is definetly boring cause its super easy and not a challange at all.

But sniping and dropping a bow ult on someone that is already fighting outnumbered is clearly a satisfying tactic.


..... The attitude of some ppl.

i agree most bow ganks run when they see you or cloak and will never have a fair fight

ForzaRammer

If you mean build a super tank and just not die to 3-4 people? that's not hard at all

Recremen

1vX is old news, only SomeVx is valid now.

CaffeinatedMayhem

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Alright. But to be fair, solo playing is one of the most frustrating experiences in pvp. You often need to ride long distances to chase fights and most of the time you just end up getting zerged... So try to empathize with those players.

Solo PvP does not equate to RunvX.

Solo play is frustrating, but only if zergs make 90 degree turns to run you over. Chasing battles isn’t difficult once you know how. Same for soloing resources, 1v1s, repping walls, placing your own siege. That is solo pvp.

Run v Xers are just there to waste your time. Once they start running around a rock/tower I ride away. I can retake that resource once they get bored and go looking for AP to cheese.

Grianasteri

Artorias24 wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

1vX are using very specific builds, designed to buff their defense and survivability. There are sets which drastically increase offensive capabilities, after taking damage for a period, and that is one of the ways they can also deal damage.

The skill use within the build is also vital, these folks are using specific skills, in specific situations, that keep them alive or offer huge burst damage in combination with the sets I eluded to earlier.

Also, speed buffs with line of sight mechanic exploitation. You may think 6 people are doing damage to them the reality is its probably less cos they are line of sighting, dodging, blocking etc.

Frankly I find the 1vX playstyle deeply boring for anything more than a short spell. I also find it quite immersion breaking, cos 1 player running around a stone for 10 mins chassed by 6 or more people who cant kill them, is just silly. But each to their own.

I like to break those up A nice bow gank followed by bow ulti, executed in quick succession, at a point when the 1vXer drops lower on health, as they do periodically before regaining quickly... but you time it right, its good bye 1vXer and its incredibly satisfying

Yes, winning a 5v1 is definetly boring cause its super easy and not a challange at all.

But sniping and dropping a bow ult on someone that is already fighting outnumbered is clearly a satisfying tactic.


..... The attitude of some ppl.

@Artorias24 Indeed, the attitude of some people...

You do you.

I passed no comment on skill requirements for either play style. I merely commented that running around and around a rock with a ton of health, resistances and self buffing/healing, until your ulti is ready and your stacks are up so you can burst one of the X down, that just doesnt appeal to me. Its boring and looks like a Benny Hill skit.

I find killing a 1vX player, particularly via bow gank playstyle, incredibly satisfying, thanks

Waffennacht

I do lile to think of real life battles fought lile ESO

Like two knights go to fight; one runs behind a wall, the otjher chases, first guy pops out and stabs him

IAmIcehouse

First thing you need to realize is you are not going to 1vX people at your skill level. Think of it this way... if you had to fight two of yourself, you would never win.

Can't speak much for necro, but advice for warden:

Your combo is DB+subassault into a dizzy. I'm sure you know this. While you're 1vXing, you should be playing around this combo. When your ult is up, you want to use LOS to force them into your combo, and potentially stacking multiple opponents so they both take the brunt of the combo.

When your ult is not up, make sure you maximize regen with shimmering shield. And while you're farming ult, use LOS to try to isolate one of your remaining opponents to brawl them down, or at least their resources.

Don't get greedy. If you think you can get the kill but might die doing so, roll dodge to LOS and just reset. If you are 1vXing, your goal is to kill all your opponents. One kill isn't worth you dying.

And last bit of advice... Most of your time is spent on the defensive. So get comfortable on your class and build. Knowing how much damage you can do and how much damage you can take is half the battle when deciding when to go from defensive to offensive.