Subterranean Assault Nerf
Nadez
Soul Shriven
Subterranean Assault (morph):
This morph no longer applies Fracture, as Deep Fissure now affects all Armor.
This ability now recasts itself after completing, once per cast.
The recast that was added to Sub Assault doesn't in any way make up for the damage lost by not having major fracture. It's only a very minor buff in PvE, and a major nerf to stamina warden in PvP. Any good player already recast the skill on cooldown, no extra effect was needed for that. It would have made more sense to add Fracture to the base skill Scorch, and then give the morphs their unique effects. Especially considering in PvE you already have a tank to apply fracture so not sure if this change is to try and force people to ice staff tank on warden? And if it is why should stamina warden be punished for that? Overall it just seems like a change with not much foresight, and hopefully will be looked at potentially being changed or reworked before the PTS testing cycle is over.
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ne.ga.kurai_ESO✭✭✭A narrow AOE 5,280 debuff vs the new Pierce Armor at 8,922 debuff. I mean... c'mon. You know very well everyone is going to run s/s backbar now that weren't already.0 -
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✭✭✭Subterranean Assault (morph):
This morph no longer applies Fracture, as Deep Fissure now affects all Armor.
This ability now recasts itself after completing, once per cast.
The recast that was added to Sub Assault doesn't in any way make up for the damage lost by not having major fracture. It's only a very minor buff in PvE, and a major nerf to stamina warden in PvP. Any good player already recast the skill on cooldown, no extra effect was needed for that. It would would have made more sense to add Fracture to the base skill Scorch, and then give the morphs their unique effects. Especially considering in PvE you already have a tank to apply fracture so not sure if this change is to try and force people to ice staff tank on warden? And if it is why should stamina warden be punished for that? Overall it just seems like a change with not much foresight, and hopefully will be looked at potentially being changed or reworked before the PTS testing cycle is over.
Actually on live stamdens is probably the most overloaded class in pvp, so this fits the bill of them nerfing them in pvp, while buffing their pvp dps.
Also like the other poster said just run pierce armor 9k resist reduction omegalul.4 -
ne.ga.kurai_ESO✭✭✭They really need to add a small cost to netch, too. I just started playing one and the class really has everything and gives up nothing.1
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NadezSoul ShrivenActually on live stamdens is probably the most overloaded class in pvp, so this fits the bill of them nerfing them in pvp, while buffing their pvp dps.
Also like the other poster said just run pierce armor 9k resist reduction omegalul.
People stacking 35k+ health and spamming the Arctic Blast heal is overperforming, but before everyone jumped on that bandwagon the class was by no means OP especially for solo PvP.1 -
Artorias24✭✭✭✭✭
✭Subterranean Assault (morph):
This morph no longer applies Fracture, as Deep Fissure now affects all Armor.
This ability now recasts itself after completing, once per cast.
The recast that was added to Sub Assault doesn't in any way make up for the damage lost by not having major fracture. It's only a very minor buff in PvE, and a major nerf to stamina warden in PvP. Any good player already recast the skill on cooldown, no extra effect was needed for that. It would would have made more sense to add Fracture to the base skill Scorch, and then give the morphs their unique effects. Especially considering in PvE you already have a tank to apply fracture so not sure if this change is to try and force people to ice staff tank on warden? And if it is why should stamina warden be punished for that? Overall it just seems like a change with not much foresight, and hopefully will be looked at potentially being changed or reworked before the PTS testing cycle is over.
Actually on live stamdens is probably the most overloaded class in pvp, so this fits the bill of them nerfing them in pvp, while buffing their pvp dps.
Also like the other poster said just run pierce armor 9k resist reduction omegalul.
Like i have space for that thing on my bar. Omegalul1 -
NadezSoul ShrivenLike i have space for that thing on my bar. Omegalul
Basically this ^ Other classes have plenty of room to put ransack on their bar, wardens not so much1 -
DustyWarehouse✭✭✭
Nice pointless replyAttackopsn wrote: »nice reading comprehension
This. Bar space is tight on warden.Artorias24 wrote: »Subterranean Assault (morph):
This morph no longer applies Fracture, as Deep Fissure now affects all Armor.
This ability now recasts itself after completing, once per cast.
The recast that was added to Sub Assault doesn't in any way make up for the damage lost by not having major fracture. It's only a very minor buff in PvE, and a major nerf to stamina warden in PvP. Any good player already recast the skill on cooldown, no extra effect was needed for that. It would would have made more sense to add Fracture to the base skill Scorch, and then give the morphs their unique effects. Especially considering in PvE you already have a tank to apply fracture so not sure if this change is to try and force people to ice staff tank on warden? And if it is why should stamina warden be punished for that? Overall it just seems like a change with not much foresight, and hopefully will be looked at potentially being changed or reworked before the PTS testing cycle is over.
Actually on live stamdens is probably the most overloaded class in pvp, so this fits the bill of them nerfing them in pvp, while buffing their pvp dps.
Also like the other poster said just run pierce armor 9k resist reduction omegalul.
Like i have space for that thing on my bar. Omegalul
So right now on live the stam and mag morphs have the equivalent effect for your primary stat type (fracture/breach which is lowering the target's physical/spell resists). But in the new world, Deep Fissure gets both effects with the new Breach, but Sub Assult gets... an automatic recast??
I'm with OP on this one. It's weird to say the least.4 -
Artorias24✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, sub Change isnt really that good. Huuge damage loss for a minor sustain buff. And also i think its kinda clunky to have an auto recast after training the every 3 second cast for 3 years now.
Give breach or fracture (whatever it is now) to Base morph and give the morphs and unique change..1 -
Sarousse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Like you'll have to make choices instead of having everything, like other classes ?Edited by Sarousse on September 21, 2020 7:54PM2 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭Sub assault was not nerfed. [snip]
[Edit for Bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 21, 2020 8:18PMPlaying since January 23, 20160 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭It’s a typo they probably meant to says Scorch instead of Deep Fissure.Playing since January 23, 20160
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It did not it’s a Typo why would they talk about Deep fissure in a Sub assault change ? They meant to say Scorch or Sub Assault.Artorias24 wrote: »
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It did not it’s a Typo why would they talk about Deep fissure in a Sub assault change ? They meant to say Scorch or Sub Assault.Artorias24 wrote: »
It lost Fracture. It's at best a neutral change, but more likely a net nerf.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 21, 2020 8:16PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭what kinda grinds my gears is - sub assault just refreshes on the same timer
meanwhile looking at sorcs' haunting curse it´s 3.5s then 8.5s<Noricum>
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It did not it’s a Typo why would they talk about Deep fissure in a Sub assault change ? They meant to say Scorch or Sub Assault.Artorias24 wrote: »
As long as they dont confirm it was a typo its a huge damage nerf to sub.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 21, 2020 8:16PM0 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »
It did not it’s a Typo why would they talk about Deep fissure in a Sub assault change ? They meant to say Scorch or Sub Assault.Artorias24 wrote: »
It lost Fracture. It's at best a neutral change, but more likely a net nerf.
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I am on the PTS. Sub Assault does not apply Major Breach.
So the way they worded the change “Since” They want Stamden to start using Deep fissure instead ? Doesn’t make sense.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 21, 2020 8:16PMPlaying since January 23, 20160 -
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✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »
It did not it’s a Typo why would they talk about Deep fissure in a Sub assault change ? They meant to say Scorch or Sub Assault.Artorias24 wrote: »
It lost Fracture. It's at best a neutral change, but more likely a net nerf.
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I am on the PTS. Sub Assault does not apply Major Breach.
So the way they worded the change “Since” They want Stamden to start using Deep fissure instead ? Doesn’t make sense.
Nothing they have done with Stamden in over a year makes any sense. Welcome to the party.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 21, 2020 8:19PM1 -
NadezSoul ShrivenSo the way they worded the change “Since” They want Stamden to start using Deep fissure instead ? Doesn’t make sense.
Go derail a different thread with trolling, also while you're at it work on your magcro skills so you don't get packed up again like last night.0 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭So the way they worded the change “Since” They want Stamden to start using Deep fissure instead ? Doesn’t make sense.
Go derail a different thread with trolling, also while you're at it work on your magcro skills so you don't get packed up again like last night.
I bet you died while I was packed up lolPlaying since January 23, 20160
