Overperforming sets in PvP

Skander

Let's start some:

Sheer venom

Venomous Smite

Draugr's kin <---Zenimax, what the fishstick is this?

Bashev

Engine guardian - sustain + mitigation (make the sphere untargetable for all skills except the ones that interrupts)

Rhaegar75

I aree with both of you.

I must confess I'm using EG and it makes a big difference: sustain is huge and targeting is definitely harder due to the sphere floating about!

JinxxND

Sheer venom above all because unlike venomous smite it has no cooldown can be applied on multiple targets, executes has great 2-4, can be boosted, double procs off one poison inject with a bow

Engine guardian, sylvarras scales, oblivion foe

But this is zos trying to make the game accessible and easy for everyone

EtTuBrutus

Oblivions foe?

L_Nici

Eternal Vigor is also used ony almost anything now.

DUTCH_REAPER

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

raasdal

JinxxND wrote: »

Sheer venom above all because unlike venomous smite it has no cooldown can be applied on multiple targets, executes has great 2-4, can be boosted, double procs off one poison inject with a bow

Engine guardian, sylvarras scales, oblivion foe

But this is zos trying to make the game accessible and easy for everyone

@JinxxND - Can you clarify what you mean with double proc? Do you mean it will be stacked twice on target or it will refresh/reproc itself or? Either case should not be possible. But worse bugs have been seen.

Canned_Apples

Malacath, but they needed a way to get pvp players to buy the expansion, so why not add (stealth) p2w gear.

Atherakhia

Thews probably should be added to the list.

I'm not sure Overwhelming, Grothdarr, and Malacath are overperforming individually, but together it's getting a bit nuts.

JinxxND

Sheer venom double procs because inject is a 10 second skill and the proc is 6 seconds so it reprocs on the 7th second. Harbinger is kinda a joke I wouldn't put it on this list due to the counter play to it for both killing Harbinger build solo and just avoiding the damage IF you know what you are doing

Overwhelming, grothdarr, malacath for sure pretty much most of all the dot proc sets are over tuned that are actually able to land

Gaggin

Malacath's overrated, you have to build very specifically for it to be worth it, and you lose a slot for a 3rd proc set. Alot of players are nerfing their damage unintentionally because they don't realize how much damage crits do.

JinxxND

Gaggin wrote: »

Malacath's overrated, you have to build very specifically for it to be worth it, and you lose a slot for a 3rd proc set. Alot of players are nerfing their damage unintentionally because they don't realize how much damage crits do.

Lol no. I'm using malacath on my stamina nightblade and after much testing on my build even after forgoing 20% crit damage (hemorrhage and minor force from RaT) and minor berserk 8% because of the consistency of damage 100% of the time with malacath paired with proc it ends up doing way more damage the anything else on my specific build as well as many other. It actually has gank levels of damage as well with 0 crit.

That being said malacath isn't necessarily a BiS item as there are plenty of setups that can get more damage utilizing crit rate and general burst esp in medium armor but I would say a majority of setups especially in heavy armor or heavily proc based will perform better with malacath. Safer to say knowing the general population of the game and the general skill level you can put malacath on most people and they will be doing more damage in PvP then without it

thatESOdude

Gaggin wrote: »

Malacath's overrated, you have to build very specifically for it to be worth it, and you lose a slot for a 3rd proc set. Alot of players are nerfing their damage unintentionally because they don't realize how much damage crits do.

"lose slot for a 3rd proc set"
"crit damage"
"lose slot for a 3rd proc set"
"crit damage"
"lose slot for a 3rd proc set"
"crit damage"

.......ok

Gaggin

Yes you get a 3rd proc set and keep your crit damage. Malacath buffs proc sets but prevents you from using one. You can make it work but it's hardly OP. Even with 3 proc sets most of your damage will still be critable.

ThePedge

Unleashed Terror

Malacath's Band of Brutality

ThePedge

Gaggin wrote: »

Yes you get a 3rd proc set and keep your crit damage. Malacath buffs proc sets but prevents you from using one. You can make it work but it's hardly OP. Even with 3 proc sets most of your damage will still be critable.

Monster Set
Malacath
Procset 1 - Frontbar Only
Procset 2 - Backbar Only

People have been doing this for months now. You give up nothing.

Tolino

You can use 3 Proc-Sets + Malacath.
Monsterset+Procset on Frontbar+Procset on Backbar+malacath+1xTrainee

You lose the crit.
Let's compare crit vs Malacath.

We take Magplar (because of the extra critdmg)

Magplar in cp:
1.5 base crit dmg
+0.1 passive
+0.1 minor force
+ ~0.2 cp
=1.9 crit dmg

On average, players have 45-50%Crit resists.
We have also a 1.4 crit vs 1.25 Malacath.
But nearly all PvP builds have less than 50% crit! You deal most of the time 1 and not 1.4... +Proc's can't crit anyway

Back to topic:
-Malacath
-Sheer Venom
-Venomus Smite
-Caluurion's Legacy
-Draugrkin (Edit. Only noCp)
-Eternal Vigor

Foto1

Way of fire
Icy conjuring

olsborg

Malacath coupled with any proccsets is too much dmg.

Venomous Hunter set is the one set that rly needs a phat nerf imo.

Pauls

Gaggin wrote: »

Malacath's overrated, you have to build very specifically for it to be worth it, and you lose a slot for a 3rd proc set.

You can have 4 proc sets with Malacaths

pauld1_ESO

I use Darlocs on my NB and simply by crouching I can out-heal Venomous Smite lol. I don't understand the cry about this set, and no...I do not use it.

For me Caluurion's Legacy, overhwhelming/grothdarr combo, sheer venom.

I found Malacath to be overrated. Have yet to find a use for it that felt right.

techyeshic

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

Right now; only Wardens and Necros actually have a purge in this test as they have the only single target purge. This next test will change that as ER and the actual purge ability will not lock you out of your other AOEs; but generally purges are still reserved to Necro, Warden, Templar outside of running in a group with a dedicated purger

Skander

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

Sorc doesn't have purge. other classes do, or nb can cloak

Zeromaz

Skander wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

Sorc doesn't have purge. other classes do, or nb can cloak

Everyone has access to a purge

Skander

Zeromaz wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

Sorc doesn't have purge. other classes do, or nb can cloak

Everyone has access to a purge

No, purge is a *** skill that makes you lose anything in any scenario.


Also, overperforming damage over time sets should be out of this game.

Daffen

Proc builds are only overpowered in combination of malacath or other players procs. 3 proc sets wont kill you if you kite/heal.

Speaking of experience from fighting multiple proc set builds most common one beeing unleashed terror + maelstrom 2h + venomous smite + malacath.

The best counter to these builds is having enough mobility to kite them around while healing and bursting them down quickly with your ultimate. Most of these builds are squishy with around 15-18k resistances and 25k hp

VirtualElizabeth

I have been gone for over a year from ESO and this thread is very enlightening! I used to be a huge fan of Overwhelming Surge and was an early adopter way back in the day. But apparently the set changed in the last year or so and I was told it was crap. So when I started looking at my sets I still have over the weekend, I kept coming back to Overwhelming Surge. I dumped a lot of sets but not this one.

What I am reading in this thread is that it isn't a crap set at all? Maybe OP but not CRAP, am I reading this right?

Zeromaz

Skander wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

Sorc doesn't have purge. other classes do, or nb can cloak

Everyone has access to a purge

No, purge is a *** skill that makes you lose anything in any scenario.


Also, overperforming damage over time sets should be out of this game.

Ok... but everyone has access to a purge... still.

Chilly-McFreeze

Zeromaz wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I guess yall don't slot Purge or have a skill that purges or a set that purges? I mean your kinda playing Russian Roulette going into pvp without some type of purge.....

The only true argument is the fact that those sets can be placed on multiple targets if each target is targeted because it is a single target ability that procs it.

Sorc doesn't have purge. other classes do, or nb can cloak

Everyone has access to a purge

No, purge is a *** skill that makes you lose anything in any scenario.


Also, overperforming damage over time sets should be out of this game.

Ok... but everyone has access to a purge... still.

Then go ahead an slot it. Tell us how it went. Especially on your stam toons.

ZarkingFrued

Skander wrote: »

Let's start some:

Sheer venom

Venomous Smite

Draugr's kin <---Zenimax, what the fishstick is this?

This is the most carried patch I have ever seen. Every fight there are a thousand procs going off and players about to die but still dealing damge while blocking, playing rolly polly, or healing because of their procs. If it stays like this you'll see more and more good players start running these builds then its gonna be absurd. Think we've already seen some zergs Xed entirely by proc sets. Whatever, same dudes who wanted the proc buffs will be regretting it and on the forums begging for nerfs. I'm starting to wonder how easy Xing will be with procs to deal half my damage myself. Why use my skills to attack when my sets are more effective?