Glorious Strongboxes should not have 40 Telvar or common Xivkyn motifs...

PizzaCat82

The style sells for less than a grand in traders and I can get more telvar killing the skeevers and trash outside my base.

I don't mind the event style pages being somewhat rare (they're not really rare but only because others are farming them so well) but I'd really love to open one of these up one day and not be completely disappointed in the results.

If you want people to be excited about the IC event and you don't want to fix the problems with IC, you might want to think about what you're rewarding them for putting up with all this.

Taleof2Cities

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

PizzaCat82

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

I thought Glorious boxes were supposed to be rare compared to the normal ones, right? Once per day?

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

Telvar is valuable.. but not 40 telvar.
Xivkyn is valuable... but not to 99% of the people playing in IC.

There are tons of things in the game worth dropping in these boxes. Throw in 10k gold or something.

Kiralyn2000

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

"Some may call this junk. Me, I call them treasures."

PizzaCat82

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

"Some may call this junk. Me, I call them treasures."

We're only getting 13 of these boxes this event. Why are any of them filled with filler items?

To the few people that might want Xivkyn, you could probably get it all for under 20k, the cost of one of the style pages they're taking the place of.

Taleof2Cities

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

I thought Glorious boxes were supposed to be rare compared to the normal ones, right? Once per day?

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

Telvar is valuable.. but not 40 telvar.
Xivkyn is valuable... but not to 99% of the people playing in IC.

There are tons of things in the game worth dropping in these boxes. Throw in 10k gold or something.

As noted in the post directly above mine ... don't expect everyone to share your opinion.

If you already have/don't want the rewards from the Event, no one is stopping you from not participating in the Event itself.

PizzaCat82

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

I thought Glorious boxes were supposed to be rare compared to the normal ones, right? Once per day?

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

Telvar is valuable.. but not 40 telvar.
Xivkyn is valuable... but not to 99% of the people playing in IC.

There are tons of things in the game worth dropping in these boxes. Throw in 10k gold or something.

As noted in the post directly above mine ... don't expect everyone to share your opinion.

If you already have/don't want the rewards from the Event, no one is stopping you from not participating in the Event itself.

Nothing will convince me they are anything but trash. Its an old motif. Its a stupidly common one. Telvar is cheap easy to get.

The goal of these events is to get people involved. Double AP for Mayhem was good because AP can be used for lots of things. If its easier to get any of the rewards by doing easy stuff (like buying from traders for pennies) then the rewards are not up to snuff.

Remember, we only get 13 of these. We shouldn't get better rewards by doing them then we do when we turn them in each day.

Vevvev

I actually like they drop Tel'Var stones since I've been saving them up to buy the housing storage chests. Also those xivkyn motifs are just pure money since you can sell them to other players.

driosketch

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

"Some may call this junk. Me, I call them treasures."

We're only getting 13 of these boxes this event. Why are any of them filled with filler items?

To the few people that might want Xivkyn, you could probably get it all for under 20k, the cost of one of the style pages they're taking the place of.

I don't know were you are pricing your pages but I sold one for 17k in a day during this event. I seems people have long since stopped farming vaults, and the price of the non small piece pages are actually pretty high. (PC/NA)

kargen27

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

I thought Glorious boxes were supposed to be rare compared to the normal ones, right? Once per day?

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

Telvar is valuable.. but not 40 telvar.
Xivkyn is valuable... but not to 99% of the people playing in IC.

There are tons of things in the game worth dropping in these boxes. Throw in 10k gold or something.

Why would I want 10K gold?

Actually I don't care what is in them. I was looking forward to IC being populated for a while so I could enjoy some good battles. Unfortunately the gap closer skills glitch kinda threw a wrench on the whole affair.

PizzaCat82

kargen27 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

I thought Glorious boxes were supposed to be rare compared to the normal ones, right? Once per day?

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

Telvar is valuable.. but not 40 telvar.
Xivkyn is valuable... but not to 99% of the people playing in IC.

There are tons of things in the game worth dropping in these boxes. Throw in 10k gold or something.

Why would I want 10K gold?

Actually I don't care what is in them. I was looking forward to IC being populated for a while so I could enjoy some good battles. Unfortunately the gap closer skills glitch kinda threw a wrench on the whole affair.

People coming to play in IC means giving them a reason to come and stay in IC and actively fight. Telvar is good, but I literally got 40 telvar opening a GOLD glorious strongbox. Maybe if it was 4k or 40k telvar it'd be exciting. I already have a Mill.. but all the new stuff costs Seige merits now.. to artificially lengthen the time questing (except you can get 100 of them on various characters and never do another quest for half a year)

redspecter23

It wouldn't surprise me at all, if by the end of the event, Xivkin pages ended up being worth more than the new outfit style pages are.

Nairinhe

I'd like to see event-specific drop guaranteed from the first box, please

gatekeeper13

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Nothing will convince me they are anything but trash. Its an old motif. Its a stupidly common one. Telvar is cheap easy to get.

The goal of these events is to get people involved. Double AP for Mayhem was good because AP can be used for lots of things. If its easier to get any of the rewards by doing easy stuff (like buying from traders for pennies) then the rewards are not up to snuff.

Remember, we only get 13 of these. We shouldn't get better rewards by doing them then we do when we turn them in each day.

You are absolutely right. But some people think it makes perfect sense for the 13 golden coffers you get once or twice a year, to drop common loot than drop a rare one.

VaranisArano

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kargen27

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

I thought Glorious boxes were supposed to be rare compared to the normal ones, right? Once per day?

Why would you fill them with trash and then expect people to be excited about it?

Telvar is valuable.. but not 40 telvar.
Xivkyn is valuable... but not to 99% of the people playing in IC.

There are tons of things in the game worth dropping in these boxes. Throw in 10k gold or something.

Why would I want 10K gold?

Actually I don't care what is in them. I was looking forward to IC being populated for a while so I could enjoy some good battles. Unfortunately the gap closer skills glitch kinda threw a wrench on the whole affair.

People coming to play in IC means giving them a reason to come and stay in IC and actively fight. Telvar is good, but I literally got 40 telvar opening a GOLD glorious strongbox. Maybe if it was 4k or 40k telvar it'd be exciting. I already have a Mill.. but all the new stuff costs Seige merits now.. to artificially lengthen the time questing (except you can get 100 of them on various characters and never do another quest for half a year)

Putting better loot in the golden box doesn't give players a reason to stay and fight. It gives them reason to do the one needed daily and call it good. I am all for some type of incentive to get players in Imperial City and the Sewers not just for events but year around. Drops from the dailies are not the way to do it though.

CaffeinatedMayhem

I'd just like for the Glorious boxes to actually have a 50% chance of containing one of the outfit styles.

I've gotten most of the outfit pages from regular boxes.

Kurat

This event is not about rewards. It's for zerglings and gankers to have fun.

Gylzyn

I thought that the whole point of this event was to give PVP players that grand sense of achievement that comes from when they and their small group manage to take down one individual player. You want rewards from the loot boxes too?

Linaleah

Nairinhe wrote: »

I'd like to see event-specific drop guaranteed from the first box, please

this. honestly. glorious boxes should feel special since you only get them once a day... and yet.. i've had purple boxes drop better loot

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Wasnt this event about zerg taking down single pve player trying to do the daily?

geonsocal

glorious should equal:

Gylzyn

geonsocal wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

I thought that the whole point of this event was to give PVP players that grand sense of achievement that comes from when they and their small group manage to take down one individual player. You want rewards from the loot boxes too?

[Quoted post was removed]

Er...no. But if it helps you to think so...whatever.

Taleof2Cities

Gylzyn wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

I thought that the whole point of this event was to give PVP players that grand sense of achievement that comes from when they and their small group manage to take down one individual player. You want rewards from the loot boxes too?

[Quoted post was removed]

Er...no. But if it helps you to think so...whatever.

No one is forcing anyone to do PvP for the Event ... there is the option of doing the two (2) IC dungeons for rewards.

There is also the option of skipping the event entirely.

I thought that the whole point of this event was to participate (if you choose) and earn the rewards ... not crafting condescending remarks about an entire player class to get that grand sense of forums achievement.

Gylzyn

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

I thought that the whole point of this event was to give PVP players that grand sense of achievement that comes from when they and their small group manage to take down one individual player. You want rewards from the loot boxes too?

[Quoted post was removed]

Er...no. But if it helps you to think so...whatever.

No one is forcing anyone to do PvP for the Event ... there is the option of doing the two (2) IC dungeons for rewards.

There is also the option of skipping the event entirely.

I thought that the whole point of this event was to participate (if you choose) and earn the rewards ... not crafting condescending remarks about an entire player class to get that grand sense of forums achievement.

Don't make assumptions. I have been participating fully in the event doing all of the IC dailies every day. Although I am generally a PvE player I have risen to the challenge, done most of the achievements, got all of the skyshards, got all my tickets, got all but one style and even managed to get one of the polymorphs that I wanted with the TV stones. But on a relatively lowbie character its been hard work. Group v group has been fun. Player v player (or a couple of players) has been fun. A few times I have even won. But being repeatedly ganked (a few times by the same group several times and on two occasions by the same player about half-a-dozen times) when trying to complete a quest has been frustrating and I can understand why IC puts people off. I struggle with the group v player aspect in a PVP/semi-PvE environment and grouping hasn't been as easy as some think. With two very notable exceptions, it hasn't felt that there has been a lot of support/co-ordination in-game despite all of the proponents of PvP here on the forums. However, I have plodded on regardless and whilst I may not become a fully-fledged PvP player I will certainly try more in the future. Isn't that the point? But I think that if players are to be encouraged to get involved in PvP there needs to be some give and take and a bit more encouragement. Telling people they can go do the dungeons or just not bother with the event doesn't do that.

But, hey, thanks for setting me straight.

agegarton

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

I thought that the whole point of this event was to give PVP players that grand sense of achievement that comes from when they and their small group manage to take down one individual player. You want rewards from the loot boxes too?

[Quoted post was removed]

Er...no. But if it helps you to think so...whatever.

No one is forcing anyone to do PvP for the Event ... there is the option of doing the two (2) IC dungeons for rewards.

There is also the option of skipping the event entirely.

I thought that the whole point of this event was to participate (if you choose) and earn the rewards ... not crafting condescending remarks about an entire player class to get that grand sense of forums achievement.

The "no-one is forcing you" argument is the most rubbish argument of all. It's the same as "if you don't like the lag, don't play", or "login rewards are free so you must not complain that they're crap". These aren't arguments, they're boring opinions published to garner likes. Very dull.

The OP makes a completely valid point - the once-per-day golden boxes should only deliver the highest level of reward. Otherwise, why have a one-per-day golden box? Why aren't they all purple many-times-a-day boxes? There's no logic to it. True, some people haven't yet even started to collect the Xivkyn motif, however that motif has been in the game for literally years, it's available in the crown store and for peanuts at any trader.

Instead of "don't play if you don't like it", how about "don't run an event if you can't do it properly". Perfect valid from a paying customer.

Luke_Flamesword

"Some may call this junk. Me, I call them treasures."

"Some may call this treasures. Me, I call them junk."

I agree that golden, special boxes should be special and always have a good drop. Random trash is for violet ones.

VaranisArano

agegarton wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Gylzyn wrote: »

I thought that the whole point of this event was to give PVP players that grand sense of achievement that comes from when they and their small group manage to take down one individual player. You want rewards from the loot boxes too?

[Quoted post was removed]

Er...no. But if it helps you to think so...whatever.

No one is forcing anyone to do PvP for the Event ... there is the option of doing the two (2) IC dungeons for rewards.

There is also the option of skipping the event entirely.

I thought that the whole point of this event was to participate (if you choose) and earn the rewards ... not crafting condescending remarks about an entire player class to get that grand sense of forums achievement.

The "no-one is forcing you" argument is the most rubbish argument of all. It's the same as "if you don't like the lag, don't play", or "login rewards are free so you must not complain that they're crap". These aren't arguments, they're boring opinions published to garner likes. Very dull.

The OP makes a completely valid point - the once-per-day golden boxes should only deliver the highest level of reward. Otherwise, why have a one-per-day golden box? Why aren't they all purple many-times-a-day boxes? There's no logic to it. True, some people haven't yet even started to collect the Xivkyn motif, however that motif has been in the game for literally years, it's available in the crown store and for peanuts at any trader.

Instead of "don't play if you don't like it", how about "don't run an event if you can't do it properly". Perfect valid from a paying customer.

"No one is forcing you to PVP", in this context, has nothing to do with the event rewards, but rather the acknowledgement that one can get rewards from doing PVP and PVE content.

But as for the rewards, it seems to be an improvement over past events like:
Murkmire: gold coffer was meh, extra coffers were extremely rare
Undaunted: gold coffer was pretty good, style pages from extra coffers were very rare

Not every event is the Anniversary Event with tons of easy, decent rewards for doing what you normally do in game.

Ragged_Claw

I agree with OP here, I haven't had much time to spend in the sewers and I suck a PvP anyway, so the only chance at a box I get is to do a dungeon once a day for the gold one. Running a whole-ass dungeon to get a Xivkyn motif which (on the EU server at least) isn't even really worth listing on my trader is a kick in the whatsnames. I totally appreciate that newer players may not have this motif, but why can't it just drop from the purple boxes? I spent ages farming it back in the day, and bought the pieces I was missing for dirt cheap, so this and other random trash shouldn't be in the gold box imo.

Tsar_Gekkou

Xivkyn pages have been cheap for a while now, and with this event I just decon the ones I get because I know people are selling them for peanuts or giving them away. At this point i'm only doing the quick Arboretum daily for the tickets and for the 50 merits to get that new Timbercrow Wanderer costume.

code65536

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The Event should (and does) reward players of all playstyles and game levels, @PizzaCat82.

The Event should not cater to your preferred playstyle and game level.

Some players haven't even started their Xivkyn collection ... and many others are saving up Tel Var to buy hakeijos or IC gear sets.

@Taleof2Cities are you being purposefully obtuse? Because I have a hard time fathoming how someone cannot understand the concept of "value" being relative. If I'm a new player who has never set foot in IC, then, yes, those Xivkyn chapters would be valuable to me. But a style page would be even more valuable...

1. While some players are just starting their Xivkyn collection, all players are starting their style page collection.
2. Xivkyn can be acquired any time during the year and is not time-limited.
3. Xivkyn can be acquired from other sources, such as with the key fragments that drop like candy. During this event, a single run of a vet IC dungeon should grant enough fragments for almost 2 vault openings.
4. The market value of Xivkyn is clearly lower than that of the style pages. This was true before the event and is still true as we near the end of the event, which means that someone looking to buy Xivkyn can buy multiple chapters for the price of one of the limited-time style pages.

Xivkyn is "valuable" in the sense that it has positive net value. It is not valuable in the sense that it has relatively less value for everyone (but especially for people who are participating in the event to acquire 17 limited-time items from an event that spans only 13 days). Even for people who have not completed Xivkyn (and prior to this event, I hadn't completed it on PC/EU), the style pages are more desirable.

And, no, considering that completing a single IC daily grants 800 Telvar, getting about 100 Telvar from the "Glorious" coffer feels like a pittance.