Which quests have gay references?

StabbityDoom

ChaosWotan wrote: »

This forum is about ESO, the game and its content. Political debates and similar RL discussions get closed. So I simply asked about facts relating to the content of the game. That's it

I'm still hoping you would clarify whether or not your paper has a position. This isn't a political question, or debate. You don't even have to say your position, just that it has one or not.

EDIT: I have sent you a private message addressing my concerns about your language used, and why it raised my concern.

Guthix_of_the_Green

Carylas wrote: »

The quest called "The Flower of Youth" involves a gay Bosmer couple in Greenshade.

In that quest, Hartmin says he brought his dying husband to see his favorite flowers Nereid's Smile for the last time, but can't find any of them nearby. You go and collect those flowers for them. It's a neat quest and a bit sad.

This want caused me tears!! I had to use my flower momento too!

ChaosWotan

My position is different. Difficult to clarify any position in RL in a forum restricted to in-game topics, so really not much to say within that framework. I therefore asked a simple factual question about the game. Period

StabbityDoom

ChaosWotan wrote: »

My position is different. Difficult to clarify any position in RL in a forum restricted to in-game topics, so really not much to say within that framework. I therefore asked a simple factual question about the game. Period

actually that's fine, it just means it's a position paper which is meant to be either persuasive or subjective. I just wanted to be clear on that, not what your actual position was. Thanks for the answer!

ChaosWotan

"it just means it's a position paper which is meant to be either persuasive or subjective"

That's a long philosophical debate, but this is not a philosophy forum. I'm done debating this, respectfully

StabbityDoom

ChaosWotan wrote: »

"it just means it's a position paper which is meant to be either persuasive or subjective"

That's a long philosophical debate, but this is not a philosophy forum. I'm done debating this, respectfully

My misunderstanding. No need to debate, I accept your answer as your position is different, as you said. I appreciate you answering in the first place. Best of luck on your paper.

ChaosWotan

Thanks

Dojohoda

Just a tip- If you go to https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page and type keywords (such as "his husband" and "her wife") into their search box you will find entries for your research. The results which are prefaced with "Online:" are ESO topics.

Gaggin

The main qiest. The sexual tension between Manimarco and Molag Baal was crazy.

spartaxoxo

In the daily werewolf quest in Solitude, after you defeat the boss you can meet a gay couple and the mother/in-law.

Kojran

slightly off topic but can i marry another man in this game????

Pauwer

You can, another player, with the pledge of mara, if i'm not mistaken. But npcs no.

coop500

Kojran wrote: »

slightly off topic but can i marry another man in this game????

You can marry any player character~

Alinhbo_Tyaka

It seems Argonians are hermaphroditic. I recall a side quest in Murkmire where a male (?) Argonian asks us to find their betrothed to reconcile but the absence the mate has joined the guard and change sex from female to male. I can't remember much else about it as it was a couple of years ago since I completed it.

Edit: I found the quest it is called the Frog Totem turnaround and has a bit more to it than I remember.

kadochka

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

It seems Argonians are hermaphroditic. I recall a side quest in Murkmire where a male (?) Argonian asks us to find their betrothed to reconcile but the absence the mate has joined the guard and change sex from female to male. I can't remember much else about it as it was a couple of years ago since I completed it.

Edit: I found the quest it is called the Frog Totem turnaround and has a bit more to it than I remember.

I think I remember that quest! It was so sweet.. It actually inspired me with one of my own Argonians.

Jayroo

I'm not sure this has been said yet, but the first boat ride before you start the journey from stros m'kai to betnikh theres all the woman on the boat swoon for jarkarn telling you the things he said to them.
But there is a man on the boat who is also interested and jarkarn and says they will soon be off as lovers adventuring together or something like that. Not apart of a quest just dialogue from talking to the people on the boat

Inaya

Freedom's Chains in Bangkorai

Kerbol's Hollow is a town in Bangkorai fabled to have the power to cure any disease. Renoit Leonciele and his husband Draven seek whatever cure the village offers, though they don't know what the cost may be.

Aristocles22

I'm not sure if the writing staff had some sort of quota imposed on them, but it looks as if every major zone (except maybe the Reach and possibly Coldharbour?) has at least one example of that sort of content, with a few (Western Skyrim especially) having a couple of examples. The smaller zones generally lack it, and Cyrodiil has one example in one of the smaller towns.

[snip] Ironically, the best and worst example is in Summerset, which has both the most radical questline in the game (so much so it won an award from GLAAD!) set in a society which is probably the only one in all Tamriel which looks down on that sort of thing and probably the most realistic as a result. [snip]

[snip]

And on a minor note, the [snip] Argonian thing was probably thrown in to address an older piece of lore which would have made their species sequential hermaphrodites, like some species of fish.[snip]

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Sahidom

From all these responses the quests are not specific to the context of the OP questions. When you change a visual graphic component of the game, such as the gender quest giver, does that communicate LGBT friendly elements since the dialog only changes the prepositions. To say the entertainment companies are integrating LGBT elements into their digital works is illusionary when you can change a few graphic elements and prepositions to be construed, as friendly. It conveys nothing direct or substantial to the social debate on the subject, you may falsely represent these two components in your report or article.

Aristocles22

Sahidom wrote: »

From all these responses the quests are not specific to the context of the OP questions. When you change a visual graphic component of the game, such as the gender quest giver, does that communicate LGBT friendly elements since the dialog only changes the prepositions. To say the entertainment companies are integrating LGBT elements into heir digital works is illusionary when you can change a few graphic elements and prepositions to be construed, as friendly. It conveys nothing direct or substantial to the social debate on the subject.

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In other cases, it was probably just easier for ZoS to keep a certain character's words to the player the same, regardless of whether the player is male or female, instead of recording two sets of lines, so depending on the player's sex, it may come off as being hit on by a given NPC.

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FrancisCrawford

Aristocles22 wrote: »

I'm not sure if the writing staff had some sort of quota imposed on them, but it looks as if every major zone (except maybe the Reach and possibly Coldharbour?) has at least one example of that sort of content, with a few (Western Skyrim especially) having a couple of examples. The smaller zones generally lack it, and Cyrodiil has one example in one of the smaller towns.

[snip] Ironically, the best and worst example is in Summerset, which has both the most radical questline in the game (so much so it won an award from GLAAD!) set in a society which is probably the only one in all Tamriel which looks down on that sort of thing and probably the most realistic as a result. [snip]

[snip]

And on a minor note, the [snip] Argonian thing was probably thrown in to address an older piece of lore which would have made their species sequential hermaphrodites, like some species of fish.[snip]

Oh, come on.

The Tamriel norm is:
-- Generally feudal, agrarian society.
-- Strong preponderance of heterosexuality, as one would expect in such societies.
-- Tolerance, including legally, for homosexual exceptions.

None of that is a big deal by Earth standards.

Unlike on Earth:
-- Males and females are fully equal in combat ability.
-- This is generally reflected approximate political/power equality.

The second of those flows naturally from the first.

Even so:
-- Orcs have a complex, male-dominant power structure.
-- Human races (Breton, Redguard, probably also Imperial) seem to have men in charge as their default circumstance.

That all fits together well once we stipulate that women are just at good as fighting as men are.

Aristocles22

I agree that it isn't a huge deal by modern standards, but Tamriel isn't modern. I'm also convinced that the gender combat ability being equal is a gameplay convenience thrown in for the players (older Elder Scrolls games actually have different stats by gender), but that it isn't necessarily true in lore.

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linuxlady

All the gay quests have gay references

Kalle_Demos

During the Quests involving Almalexia an NPC mentions that she is rumored to be rough with her lovers. This is said to any PC regardless of gender suggesting Almalexia is bisexual or pansexual. Morrowind hints at this possibility as well.

Also, to suggest ESO and the Elder Scrolls series depiction of LGBT characters and their standing in society is inaccurate because the time period isn't 'modern' is to ignore the rich and complicated real world history of LGBT culture in various time periods throughout the world.

TheNuminous1

Aristocles22 wrote: »

I'm not sure if the writing staff had some sort of quota imposed on them, but it looks as if every major zone (except maybe the Reach and possibly Coldharbour?) has at least one example of that sort of content, with a few (Western Skyrim especially) having a couple of examples. The smaller zones generally lack it, and Cyrodiil has one example in one of the smaller towns.

[snip] Ironically, the best and worst example is in Summerset, which has both the most radical questline in the game (so much so it won an award from GLAAD!) set in a society which is probably the only one in all Tamriel which looks down on that sort of thing and probably the most realistic as a result. [snip]

[snip]

And on a minor note, the [snip] Argonian thing was probably thrown in to address an older piece of lore which would have made their species sequential hermaphrodites, like some species of fish. [snip]

[snip]

Also just a side note. My being gay and every single other lgbtqia person existing is not a political statement. It's an inherent truth in the world. My existence and those of transgender existence are not a political conversation.

Eso makes that a pleasant and good experience for us. You calling for anything less then that being portrayed. Saying you want to see people NOT be kind about it in tamriel is a shameful thing to say.

And yes the game does have slavery. And it's renowned veiwed as evil and the races that practice it we fight against i.e slavery npcs and questlines to free slaves.

But to say you want to see realistic pre history homophobia. That does nothing but serve as homophobic.

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NotaDaedraWorshipper

Aristocles22 wrote: »

I'm not sure if the writing staff had some sort of quota imposed on them, but it looks as if every major zone (except maybe the Reach and possibly Coldharbour?) has at least one example of that sort of content, with a few (Western Skyrim especially) having a couple of examples. The smaller zones generally lack it, and Cyrodiil has one example in one of the smaller towns.

[snip] Ironically, the best and worst example is in Summerset, which has both the most radical questline in the game (so much so it won an award from GLAAD!) set in a society which is probably the only one in all Tamriel which looks down on that sort of thing and probably the most realistic as a result. [snip]

[snip]

And on a minor note, the [snip] Argonian thing was probably thrown in to address an older piece of lore which would have made their species sequential hermaphrodites, like some species of fish. [snip]

Aristocles22 wrote: »

I agree that it isn't a huge deal by modern standards, but Tamriel isn't modern. I'm also convinced that the gender combat ability being equal is a gameplay convenience thrown in for the players (older Elder Scrolls games actually have different stats by gender), but that it isn't necessarily true in lore.

[snip]

Tamriel might not be "modern", but it isn't our world.

Elder Scrolls have shown equality between genders for decades, and discrimation for someone's sexuality is more or less nonexistent. It's not a gameplay thing, nor a "political correctness". It's how the setting has been portrayed for a long time.
One of the big causes of homophobia and similar are caused by some religion, religions that doesn't exist in TES. Instead Tamriel has gods like Mara and Dibella (One of both exist in the majority of Tamriel's cultures in some form), who are about love, and no love, as long as it is consensual between adults, is wrong. Hetero, ***, poly etc, is all good and accepted for them.

The one likely discimination a couple in TES may experience is racism, if they are interracial couple, because that exist aplenty in Tamriel.

I agree *slightly* with that Greymoor went a bit overboard, because a lot felt a bit hamfisted. But in the rest of ESO it is done very well and quite natural. LGBTQ+ npcs can be found all across the zones and they aren't pointed out in any way, they are just like any other npc.

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zaria

You have this

Not an quest but the Dunmer lady has an response.
She is an weapon trader at the far west of the crafting area in hollow city in coldharbor, the Dunmer is an enchanter? in an house westward.
And yes the Khajiit sounds very old fashioned my guess its old stuff and is an obvious cat joke.
As in that do you say to your cat bringing you an mouse, yes your used to getting unwanted presents but the cat tries to be nice after all.

Goregrinder

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Aristocles22 wrote: »

I'm not sure if the writing staff had some sort of quota imposed on them, but it looks as if every major zone (except maybe the Reach and possibly Coldharbour?) has at least one example of that sort of content, with a few (Western Skyrim especially) having a couple of examples. The smaller zones generally lack it, and Cyrodiil has one example in one of the smaller towns.

[snip] Ironically, the best and worst example is in Summerset, which has both the most radical questline in the game (so much so it won an award from GLAAD!) set in a society which is probably the only one in all Tamriel which looks down on that sort of thing and probably the most realistic as a result. [snip]

[snip]

And on a minor note, the [snip] Argonian thing was probably thrown in to address an older piece of lore which would have made their species sequential hermaphrodites, like some species of fish. [snip]

Aristocles22 wrote: »

I agree that it isn't a huge deal by modern standards, but Tamriel isn't modern. I'm also convinced that the gender combat ability being equal is a gameplay convenience thrown in for the players (older Elder Scrolls games actually have different stats by gender), but that it isn't necessarily true in lore.

[snip]

Tamriel might not be "modern", but it isn't our world.

Elder Scrolls have shown equality between genders for decades, and discrimation for someone's sexuality is more or less nonexistent. It's not a gameplay thing, nor a "political correctness". It's how the setting has been portrayed for a long time.
One of the big causes of homophobia and similar are caused by some religion, religions that doesn't exist in TES. Instead Tamriel has gods like Mara and Dibella (One of both exist in the majority of Tamriel's cultures in some form), who are about love, and no love, as long as it is consensual between adults, is wrong. Hetero, ***, poly etc, is all good and accepted for them.

The one likely discimination a couple in TES may experience is racism, if they are interracial couple, because that exist aplenty in Tamriel.

I agree *slightly* with that Greymoor went a bit overboard, because a lot felt a bit hamfisted. But in the rest of ESO it is done very well and quite natural. LGBTQ+ npcs can be found all across the zones and they aren't pointed out in any way, they are just like any other npc.

[snip]

Yeah Elder Scrolls mostly just has discrimination of race.

Aristocles22

Don't misconstrue my comments as advocacy for anything IRL. I'm 100% for toleration on all levels in real life. Tamriel isn't our world, but it is very, very clearly a fantastical reflection of our world as it was, albeit an imperfect one. The Imperials are obviously based on Romans, the Nords on Vikings, and there are real people in France known as Bretons, living in a small peninsula in the northwest.

I'm not saying that there should be no tolerance whatsoever in Tamriel, but complete tolerance in any category is also unrealistic, even in a fantasy game. You don't like my comments? That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Please understand what I am saying and what I am not. I'll say it clearly if you need me to: I am against racism, homophobia, or any other form of hatred. Wanting a more flawed and nuanced fantasy world doesn't equate to advocacy of anything, any more than wanting to see kings and nobles in a fantasy world is advocacy for monarchism.

And for the record, only the orcs (the orcs are under Malacath) practice polygamy. Cultures which worship a form of Mara and/or Dibella are monogamous. The latter really isn't a goddess of love. In fact, she's probably destroyed quite a few marriages. As for Greymoor, it's obvious that they overdid it in that expansion (there are at least four parts of that zone which have that sort of content), so it seems obvious that they dialed it way back in Markarth, as there is basically none of that stuff in the Reach.

TheNuminous1

Aristocles22 wrote: »

Don't misconstrue my comments as advocacy for anything IRL. I'm 100% for toleration on all levels in real life. Tamriel isn't our world, but it is very, very clearly a fantastical reflection of our world as it was, albeit an imperfect one. The Imperials are obviously based on Romans, the Nords on Vikings, and there are real people in France known as Bretons, living in a small peninsula in the northwest.

I'm not saying that there should be no tolerance whatsoever in Tamriel, but complete tolerance in any category is also unrealistic, even in a fantasy game. You don't like my comments? That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Please understand what I am saying and what I am not. I'll say it clearly if you need me to: I am against racism, homophobia, or any other form of hatred. Wanting a more flawed and nuanced fantasy world doesn't equate to advocacy of anything, any more than wanting to see kings and nobles in a fantasy world is advocacy for monarchism.

And for the record, only the orcs (the orcs are under Malacath) practice polygamy. Cultures which worship a form of Mara and/or Dibella are monogamous. The latter really isn't a goddess of love. In fact, she's probably destroyed quite a few marriages. As for Greymoor, it's obvious that they overdid it in that expansion (there are at least four parts of that zone which have that sort of content), so it seems obvious that they dialed it way back in Markarth, as there is basically none of that stuff in the Reach.

Having 4 parts of a quest zone be lgbtqia does not constitute overboard by any means. How much game media have I been forced to endure as a straight white male. Its insane. You could have an entire zone be filled with nothing but non heteronormative people and it would be equal as balanced as every single game quest or interaction I've had to endure as some straight person surrounded by nothing but straight people.

If I have to see 30 couples be straight and 4 lesbian relationships in a game that is seriously not overboard.

In context of balanced interactions between a vast and varied group of people and straight people there is alooootttttttt more room for even more lgbtqia. If that's a trouble or issue for anyone that is heteronormative well just understand that as a group of peoples we have had to endure an overload of content suited for you and the era of us being represented has just gotten started. This is the new norm.